The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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It gives the Victory !
1 Cor 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
All for whom Christ died, He causes them to be overcomer's, they are the overcomer's.
The word victory nikos:
to utterly vanquish
Its also connected with the word nikaō:
to conquer
a) to carry off the victory, come off victorious
1) of Christ, victorious over all His foes
2) of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and temptations and persecutions
3) when one is arraigned or goes to law, to win the case, maintain one's cause
Since Christ by His Death was victorious over all His Foes, its the same as they were since He was and is the Head of them He died for. His Victorious Death was not for Him as a Private Individual, so His Victory or Overcoming is not for Him as an Private Individual.
So scriptures like these where the word overcome is used as here Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
That applies to them He died for, they overcome by Him 1 Cor 15:57
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory/overcoming through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rev 2:11
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
He has abolished Death for all whom He died !2 Tim 1:9-10
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Rev 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
God has already with Him given us all things Rom 8:31-32
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
He gives us with Christ, if He died for us, the Victory and all the overcoming Promises we have rehearsed in Rev 2-3 !
1 Cor 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
All for whom Christ died, He causes them to be overcomer's, they are the overcomer's.
The word victory nikos:
to utterly vanquish
Its also connected with the word nikaō:
to conquer
a) to carry off the victory, come off victorious
1) of Christ, victorious over all His foes
2) of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and temptations and persecutions
3) when one is arraigned or goes to law, to win the case, maintain one's cause
Since Christ by His Death was victorious over all His Foes, its the same as they were since He was and is the Head of them He died for. His Victorious Death was not for Him as a Private Individual, so His Victory or Overcoming is not for Him as an Private Individual.
So scriptures like these where the word overcome is used as here Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
That applies to them He died for, they overcome by Him 1 Cor 15:57
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory/overcoming through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rev 2:11
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
He has abolished Death for all whom He died !2 Tim 1:9-10
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Rev 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
God has already with Him given us all things Rom 8:31-32
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
He gives us with Christ, if He died for us, the Victory and all the overcoming Promises we have rehearsed in Rev 2-3 !
Yes I understand it and I replied in Post #827.
Instead of asking if I understand your commentary, please respond to the reply to your commentary.
brightfame52 said:
rewneweddaybyday response to your claim:
brightfame52 said:
renewddaybyday response to your claim:
Instead of asking if I understand your commentary, please respond to the reply to your commentary.
brightfame52 said:
All for whom Christ died, to the exclusion of not one, have been given by Him Glory
rewneweddaybyday response to your claim:
really?
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
"all for whom Christ died" = the whole world.
brightfame52 said:
Heb 2:9-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
All whom He tasted death for [in behalf of] every man of them, brings them to Glory, which is the fruit of His Sufferings and Death for them !
renewddaybyday response to your claim:
"all whom He tasted death for"???
The Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for everyone - vs 9 (i.e. the whole world as shown above - John 1:29, John 3:16-17).
vs 10 - many are brought to glory. The "many" would be those who believe ...
really?
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
"all for whom Christ died" = the whole world.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
"all for whom Christ died" = the whole world.
No. NO. Not one of the that ( believeth not)shall be an overcomer or be "brought to glory." Except to Stand before the "God of Glory" after they are coughed up from hell and stand before the Great White Throne Judgement. I fear for my Calvinist brothers frankly they have in my opinion another gospel and another Jesus. There I said it .
Do you believe what is written in Scripture?
You stated:
I provided Scripture which clearly states that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
You also stated that, according to Hebrews 2:9-10:
In Post #827, I clarified the Scripture provided by you:
In Hebrews 2:9, we see that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man (i.e. the whole world as shown in John 1:29 and John 3:16-17).
In Hebrews 2:10, we see that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory (i.e. those who believe ... John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned ...)
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
You stated:
"All for whom Christ died, to the exclusion of not one, have been given by Him Glory"
I provided Scripture which clearly states that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
You also stated that, according to Hebrews 2:9-10:
"All whom He tasted death for [in behalf of] every man of them, brings them to Glory"
In Post #827, I clarified the Scripture provided by you:
Hebrews 2:
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
In Hebrews 2:9, we see that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man (i.e. the whole world as shown in John 1:29 and John 3:16-17).
In Hebrews 2:10, we see that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory (i.e. those who believe ... John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned ...)
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Again ... do you believe what is written in Scripture?
You stated:
I provided Scripture which clearly states that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
Is it your claim that the whole world ... all mankind from Adam to present to future born will be able "to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" ???
If so, then you contradict Scripture which clearly indicates that some will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:11-15).
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
You stated:
"Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
That applies to them He died for ..."
I provided Scripture which clearly states that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Is it your claim that the whole world ... all mankind from Adam to present to future born will be able "to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" ???
If so, then you contradict Scripture which clearly indicates that some will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:11-15).
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
It makes alive !
Many in false religion deny the life giving effects of Christ's Death, unto all for whom He died. For simply put, He died in order for them to live unto God ! 2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Here we have a Truth given that Christ died for all, that He died for, gave His life for Eph 5:25, but what is seriously neglected, is that by His Death for all, its concluded, that all died with Him, meaning, that in His Death for them, God legally declares that they have died too n His Death. Now understand this, its this Truth that exposes the false teaching of those who say that Christ's Death was merely a sacrifice for sin, for that is only a half truth, but not only was it that, it was also substitutionary, vicarious, in that in Him, all for whom He died, died as a result of God's law and Justice against their sins, being now satisfied against their persons, as it was satisfied in His Person. Its like saying that through Him, they have all personally paid the penalty of all their sins, past, present and future, and now its nothing left for them but to be given a New Life, to start afresh, which New Life is granted by New Birth, becoming a New Creation, so it comes into fruition as to the purpose Christ died for them, that they may live [spiritually] not unto themselves, but for Him that for their sakes, and in their stead, died and was raised.Its by this Resurrection they are begotten again unto a New Life. 1 Pet 1:3. The word begotten again in the original is anagennao and means:
to produce again, be born again, born anew
2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
This New Life is Granted because that old life of sin against God's law and Justice is dead, and so Paul writes here Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
They have died to the Law by the Body of Christ [His Vicarious Death],to the same thing in 2 Cor 5:14, that they should be married to another [The Son of God] or not to live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them and rose again !
Peter also writes to the purport as the result of His Death 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness[ By a New Life]: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Christ's Death accomplished this New Life for all whom He died, it makes them alive to God.
Rom 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Many in false religion deny the life giving effects of Christ's Death, unto all for whom He died. For simply put, He died in order for them to live unto God ! 2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Here we have a Truth given that Christ died for all, that He died for, gave His life for Eph 5:25, but what is seriously neglected, is that by His Death for all, its concluded, that all died with Him, meaning, that in His Death for them, God legally declares that they have died too n His Death. Now understand this, its this Truth that exposes the false teaching of those who say that Christ's Death was merely a sacrifice for sin, for that is only a half truth, but not only was it that, it was also substitutionary, vicarious, in that in Him, all for whom He died, died as a result of God's law and Justice against their sins, being now satisfied against their persons, as it was satisfied in His Person. Its like saying that through Him, they have all personally paid the penalty of all their sins, past, present and future, and now its nothing left for them but to be given a New Life, to start afresh, which New Life is granted by New Birth, becoming a New Creation, so it comes into fruition as to the purpose Christ died for them, that they may live [spiritually] not unto themselves, but for Him that for their sakes, and in their stead, died and was raised.Its by this Resurrection they are begotten again unto a New Life. 1 Pet 1:3. The word begotten again in the original is anagennao and means:
to produce again, be born again, born anew
2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
This New Life is Granted because that old life of sin against God's law and Justice is dead, and so Paul writes here Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
They have died to the Law by the Body of Christ [His Vicarious Death],to the same thing in 2 Cor 5:14, that they should be married to another [The Son of God] or not to live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them and rose again !
Peter also writes to the purport as the result of His Death 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness[ By a New Life]: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Christ's Death accomplished this New Life for all whom He died, it makes them alive to God.
Rom 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.