The attack of the KJV

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Kerry said:
Yes I know, but as I have said in instances where it say's "corn" it would have been better translated as wheat or barley because they didn't have corn. But they are all grain and it does not take away from the meaning of the text.
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:) I wondered why people said "corn" for a long time. I have read it several times, in the past (in the NASB) to see why they would say that it said corn. I think that it was when I read one of your posts that I realized why.
 
Kerry said:
People will do stupid things, but Satan is trying to do away with the KJV. Because he hates it and is pushing the NIV which is accepted by many churches.
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I agree...note everything I have said....I use the King James and the bible I use is a Black Letter/Wide Margin Berkshire Leather Cambridge version.......I study ALL words from the Greek and Hebrew because I want to know the truth!
 
dcontroversal said:
Some one who worships the King Jim would say that.....Galatians chapter 1....another used twice and translated another twice....go look words up...two different words two different meanings
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Ok, so what's the real meaning of Galatians 1:6-7? How should it have been translated?
 
I meant, if the devil is attacking it and trying to prove this or that. Then that's what I want to read. If the devil is okay with me reading the NIV or some other version then somethings wrong.
 
Kerry said:
No I am a tongue talking Pentecostal. I do not consider Episcopalian's as a church now that they have Homos as pastors.
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So do you believe God would Inspire 54 Episcopalian priests who teach the same thing today that they taught back then? minus Gay preacher acceptance?
 
Kerry said:
Yes I know, but as I have said in instances where it say's "corn" it would have been better translated as wheat or barley because they didn't have corn. But they are all grain and it does not take away from the meaning of the text.
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Just for the record Kerry, corn doesn't mean corn on the cob it means a small seed. Corn is a seed of wheat or barley or any other type of grain.

corn (n.1) "grain," Old English corn, from Proto-Germanic *kurnam "small seed" (cognates: Old Frisian and Old Saxon korn "grain," Middle Dutch coren, German Korn, Old Norse korn, Gothic kaurn), from PIE root *gre-no- "grain" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic zruno"grain," Latin granum "seed," Lithuanian žirnis "pea"). The sense of the Old English word was "grain with the seed still in" (as in barleycorn) rather than a particular plant.
 
Kerry said:
Yes I know, but as I have said in instances where it say's "corn" it would have been better translated as wheat or barley because they didn't have corn. But they are all grain and it does not take away from the meaning of the text.
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Corn is a good example as to how language is continually evolving and changing. Say corn to an American today and they think Maize, big yellow seed cobs, but in ENgland we still say corn as a generic word to mean cereal crops, wheat barley etc.

From Dr Johnsons dictionary 1755

[SIZE=+2]Corn[/SIZE]. n.s. [corn, Sax. korn, Germ. It is found in all the Teutonick dialects; as, in an old Runick rhyme,
Hagul er kaldastur corna.
Hail is the coldest grain.]

  1. The seeds which grow in ears, not in pods; such as are made into bread. Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground, and die, it abideth alone. John xii. 25.
    The people cry you mock'd them; and, of late,
    When corn was given them gratis, you repin'd.     Sh. Coriolan.
  2. Grain yet unreaped, standing in the field upon its stalk. Why he was met even now,
    Crown'd with rank fumiter and furrow-weeds,
    Darnel, and all the idle weeds that grow
    In our sustaining corn.     Shakespeare's King Lear.
    Landing his men, he burnt the corn all thereabouts, which was now almost ripe. Knolles's History of the Turks.
    Still a murmur runs
    Along the soft inclining fields of corn.     Thomson's Autumn.
  3. Grain in the ear, yet unthreshed. Thou shalt come to thy grave in a full age, like as a shock of corn cometh in his season. Job, v. 26.
  4. An excrescence on the feet, hard and painful; probably so called from its form, though by some supposed to be denominated from its corncous or horny substance. Ladies, that have your feet
    Unplagu'd with corns, we'll have a bout with you.     Shakesp.
    The man that makes his toe,
    What he his heart should make,
    Shall of a corn cry woe,
    And turn his sleep to wake.     Shakespeare's King Lear.
    Even in men, aches and hurts and corns do engrieve either towards rain or towards snow. Bacon's Natural History.
    The hardest part of the corn is usually in the middle, thrusting itself in a nail; whence it has the Latin appellation of clavis. Wiseman's Surgery.
    He first that useful secret did explain,
    That pricking corns foretold the gath'ring rain.     Gay's Past.
    It looks as there were regular accumulations and gatherings of humours, growing perhaps in some people as corns. Arbuth.
    Thus Lamb, renown'd for cutting corns,
    An offer'd fee from Radcliff scorns.     Swift.
 
Agricola said:
Corn is a good example as to how language is continually evolving and changing. Say corn to an American today and they think Maize, big yellow seed cobs, but in ENgland we still say corn as a generic word to mean cereal crops, wheat barley etc.

From Dr Johnsons dictionary 1755

[SIZE=+2]Corn[/SIZE]. n.s. [corn, Sax. korn, Germ. It is found in all the Teutonick dialects; as, in an old Runick rhyme,
Hagul er kaldastur corna.
Hail is the coldest grain.]

  1. The seeds which grow in ears, not in pods; such as are made into bread. Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground, and die, it abideth alone. John xii. 25.
    The people cry you mock'd them; and, of late,
    When corn was given them gratis, you repin'd.     Sh. Coriolan.
  2. Grain yet unreaped, standing in the field upon its stalk. Why he was met even now,
    Crown'd with rank fumiter and furrow-weeds,
    Darnel, and all the idle weeds that grow
    In our sustaining corn.     Shakespeare's King Lear.
    Landing his men, he burnt the corn all thereabouts, which was now almost ripe. Knolles's History of the Turks.
    Still a murmur runs
    Along the soft inclining fields of corn.     Thomson's Autumn.
  3. Grain in the ear, yet unthreshed. Thou shalt come to thy grave in a full age, like as a shock of corn cometh in his season. Job, v. 26.
  4. An excrescence on the feet, hard and painful; probably so called from its form, though by some supposed to be denominated from its corncous or horny substance. Ladies, that have your feet
    Unplagu'd with corns, we'll have a bout with you.     Shakesp.
    The man that makes his toe,
    What he his heart should make,
    Shall of a corn cry woe,
    And turn his sleep to wake.     Shakespeare's King Lear.
    Even in men, aches and hurts and corns do engrieve either towards rain or towards snow. Bacon's Natural History.
    The hardest part of the corn is usually in the middle, thrusting itself in a nail; whence it has the Latin appellation of clavis. Wiseman's Surgery.
    He first that useful secret did explain,
    That pricking corns foretold the gath'ring rain.     Gay's Past.
    It looks as there were regular accumulations and gatherings of humours, growing perhaps in some people as corns. Arbuth.
    Thus Lamb, renown'd for cutting corns,
    An offer'd fee from Radcliff scorns.     Swift.
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I am as American as they get and I don't think of Maize when I hear the word corn HAHAH I think of Corn HAHAH ;)
 
Then y'all some corny people. No I jest. As I said it means grain and it was translated as corn. There are others, but none of the new translations address it except maybe and just maybe the NKJV. The new translation are intended to move your faith away from the work of the cross and place it in what you do. that's why the devil is fighting the KJV and letting the others slide.
 
dcontroversal said:
another 1 heteros=of a different kind
another 2 ALLOS=the same kind

NOT--->another
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So which one is correct dc?

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto a different kind gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not the same kind; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

The KJV improved the Greek to give more revelation to those verses. The Greek is vague, it just said it's not the "same kind". The KJV tells you that not only is not the same kind of gospel that was preaced, it is actually NO GOSPEL at all. More clarity is given in the KJV than the Greek.
 
The Greek is the correct and you are out of your mind if you think the Greek is vague brother as you have to read the whole book in context...Chapter 3 tells what Paul is discussing and it is any one who believes saved by faith and kept by works salvation.......a gospel of a DIFFERENT kind, which is not the SAME kind and it has no power to save or keep saved....

Again, someone who WORSHIPS the version would say the things you say and or argue!
 
dcontroversal said:
The Greek is the correct and you are out of your mind if you think the Greek is vague brother as you have to read the whole book in context...Chapter 3 tells what Paul is discussing and it is any one who believes saved by faith and kept by works salvation.......a gospel of a DIFFERENT kind, which is not the SAME kind and it has no power to save or keep saved....

Again, someone who WORSHIPS the version would say the things you say and or argue!
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The Greek makes it appear as if there are two gospels -> one gospel in verse 6 and another gospel of a different kind in verse 7.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto a different kind gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not the same kind; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 
Kerry said:
Have you ever realized that The KJV has been under attack. The NIV is not under attack nor is the Message bible nor is the NASB or some other translation. Why is the KJV under such scrutiny.

Because the devil only attacks that which is from God. If he's got you then he leaves you alone.

Your comments please.
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Are you crazy? KJV-onlyist do nothing but attack the NIV and other translations. No one calls the KJV evil or corrupt, but there are tons of topics here ranting about the other translations

So, it would seem that the KJV is the wrong one.
 
It all depends on how you define works.

Matthew 25:31-46 shows two groups standing in front of the judgment seat. ( sheep and the goats )

The first group helped those who were thirsty, hungry, poor, and in prison; He told them come to eternal life.

The second group did not help those who were thirsty, hungry, poor, in prison; He told them depart from Me to everlasting punishment.
 
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Are you crazy? KJV-onlyist do nothing but attack the NIV and other translations. No one calls the KJV evil or corrupt, but there are tons of topics here ranting about the other translations

So, it would seem that the KJV is the wrong one.
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Show me the thread.
 
Kerry said:
People will do stupid things, but Satan is trying to do away with the KJV. Because he hates it and is pushing the NIV which is accepted by many churches.
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Actually I think Satan is a big fan of KJV-onlyism.
 
KJV1611 said:
The Greek makes it appear as if there are two gospels -> one gospel in verse 6 and another gospel of a different kind in verse 7.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto a different kind gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not the same kind; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
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No it doesn't........How about this......This IS KJV1611 which is not KJV1611...makes complete sense....

Context dictates and tells that Paul is amazed at their defection to a gospel that is not the same GOSPEL he has been preaching IE the one that SAVES......

I wont argue with you man...God inspired the GREEK...Not the ENGLISH and especially not 54 LIARS who teach heresy and Anglican religion based upon Catholic principles.
 
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