The Christian Vote

[Bride]

How funny. The body of Christ standing there in the voting booth chewing on an eraser staring at the pamphlet LOLOL. Your killing me here people!

 

[Brainfreeze]

I think rights are important, especially in this country,

The righteous care about their livestock's needs, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.




If the righteous should care about their livestocks needs, how much more should we care about our rights and conditions?

 

[JesusLives]

I am going to ask you this moral question, what do you do if not one of the candidates is a Christian and you know they will enforce certain rules against your believes as a Bible believing child of God?

Write myself in as I could not do any worse than the last several presidents have done....That's what I do....

 

[phil112]

Hmm! I'm not sure where in my post I said "Don't vote!" Of course we vote! ...................

Here is what you said :"Seriously, this is about American politics, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. Vote how you please, don't use the Bible Discussion Forum to push your politics!

PS. As much as Americans would like to believe otherwise, America is never mentioned in the Bible! So how you vote is not going to influence the return of Jesus, or reaching the world for Christ!"

Excuse me for the reach, but it seems to me you are implying that Christian chat and bible discussion is no place for politics, that the two need to be kept separate. Which made me think that if you don't vote from your religious convictions you must not vote.

Christ called out the ruling political/religious party of the day very, very, sharply. Called them all manner of names. He recognized that our rulers lead us into destruction. An eternal destruction that absolutely he was compelled to resist publicly. There is no other way to understand what happened during the weeks leading up to His murder. He called them out in the temples and He called them out in the town square...on the streets where they sought Him out as He ministered to the public.

Let me put out a somewhat theoretical event. I say theoretical, but I very nearly duplicated such an occurrence. I will qualify my remarks by stating the fact that I was a single parent for some 7 years. Raised 2 daughters alone until they left home at the age of 18, so I was there for some very formative years and events. I have been in parent-teacher conferences, in meetings with principals and teachers alone, attended and spoke at school board meetings.

Let's start with some scripture :

Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


The way he should go is how we learn to raise them from God given instructions.Let's say the school is teaching and doing things that are against bible teaching. Being a single parent, I can't home school and being a poor man, I can't afford private school. What are my options? To be quiet? I am required by God (He told me - train that child in the way it should go) to intervene and influence the curriculum and mannerisms of the school if at all possible. I do this with meetings and voting. That is not an option. I must vote for the person that is best qualified to teach my children.

Now let me address some of the others here, Jason specifically. How exactly do you think civil authority was established? Where did it come from? (red would like this - I'm getting in the old testament)
It is from God and He told us to put those in charge that follow and obey His will.

Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:
And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.
If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.
And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

Are you going to be foolish enough to tell me Moses went against God's will by doing this? There are many instances thoughout the old testament. When people have the opportunity, are allowed to influence, selection of leaders, God instructs us to do so. This is as plain as the nose on your face.

Our government tells us to vote. God said to obey authority.

1 Samuel 8:1-5 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.
And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

God granted these people their request. They asked for the wrong thing, a king, but that was the only mistake they made here. They didn't know the king would turn out badly. They ignored good advice to get one, but the purpose wasn't to err. The current rulers were crooked. What did they do? Went straight to the top in an effort to stop that. That isn't what displeased God - it was them asking for a king.

Christ stopped Peter when he attacked the soldier. Why didn't Christ just pray to God to prevent Peter from cutting off his ear? To think that when you have the ability and opportunity to act to prevent evil and the only thing God wants you to do is pray, is ludicrous. Why didn't Christ kneel and pray to the Father to drive the moneychangers out of the temple? There are times to act on your faith. Not enlisting in the army, but using government granted methods of influencing our solons to act better.

I could go on all night, but what is there is sufficient to make my point clearly. Those who refuse to vote are shirking their civil duty, and not being obedient to their faith.

 

[Angela53510]

Here is what you said :"Seriously, this is about American politics, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. Vote how you please, don't use the Bible Discussion Forum to push your politics!

PS. As much as Americans would like to believe otherwise, America is never mentioned in the Bible! So how you vote is not going to influence the return of Jesus, or reaching the world for Christ!"

Excuse me for the reach, but it seems to me you are implying that Christian chat and bible discussion is no place for politics, that the two need to be kept separate. Which made me think that if you don't vote from your religious convictions you must not vote.

Christ called out the ruling political/religious party of the day very, very, sharply. Called them all manner of names. He recognized that our rulers lead us into destruction. An eternal destruction that absolutely he was compelled to resist publicly. There is no other way to understand what happened during the weeks leading up to His murder. He called them out in the temples and He called them out in the town square...on the streets where they sought Him out as He ministered to the public.

Let's start with not putting words in my mouth! I never said don't vote, or don't vote for the person who you think best exemplifies your personal or religious dogma.

What I said was that voting really has nothing to do with the BIBLE discussion forum. This is much better a topic for the Misc. or the News forums.

As for the Pharisees, I would NOT say they were the ruling party. Rather the Jewish sect which fought with the Saduccees for control of the Sanhedrin. Let's face it, even Jesus had to appear before the Romans in order to be put to death. That is because the ROMANS were the RULERS!

Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they distorted God's Word, while pretending to keep it. That is a vastly different subject than the democratic election of officials in modern day America!

 

[phil112]

Let's start with not putting words in my mouth! I never said don't vote, or don't vote for the person who you think best exemplifies your personal or religious dogma.

What I said was that voting really has nothing to do with the BIBLE discussion forum. This is much better a topic for the Misc. or the News forums.

As for the Pharisees, I would NOT say they were the ruling party. Rather the Jewish sect which fought with the Saduccees for control of the Sanhedrin. Let's face it, even Jesus had to appear before the Romans in order to be put to death. That is because the ROMANS were the RULERS!

Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they distorted God's Word, while pretending to keep it. That is a vastly different subject than the democratic election of officials in modern day America!

I said: "Excuse me for the reach". Where I come from that is an admittance of jumping to a conclusion. Here, let me rephrase it and see if this helps...........I jumped to a conclusion. Please forgive me.

Better?

 

[maxwel]

I think rights are important, especially in this country,

The righteous care about their livestock's needs, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.




If the righteous should care about their livestocks needs, how much more should we care about our rights and conditions?

I always vote for whoever has the best livestock platform.

Doesn't everybody?

: )

 

[Jason0047]

Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things should be added unto you.

 

[crossnote]

I always vote for whoever has the best livestock platform.

Doesn't everybody?

: )

All depends where one has planted their 'stake'.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sorry to get back to you so much later in the thread!

My point is that this is the BIBLE discussion forum, and politics has NOTHING to do with the Bible! Not American, Canadian or any other country!!

The Kingdom of God is not going to come through the intervention of a political party, a country or an election. In fact, there is no country in the world in its present form that is actually mentioned in the Bible, although some would like to include the secular, modern day state of Israel as a "Bible" country. Not so much!

Freedom of speech is also not mentioned in the Bible, although it seems an important value to many Americans. The fact is, the early church had no vote, no say in government, and were persecuted for believing in Jesus.

I just don't get why so many Americans somehow think they are going to change the hearts of Americans by voting for a political party! Only the Holy Spirit can change hearts and lives.

And while I am certainly sympathetic with some aspects of the conservative agenda (no abortion, no gay marriage, etc, etc), I have a lot of objections to the selfishness of a lot of conservatives, at least as I interpret their belief systems as presented on FB. (I know, not a good source!)

As for Canadians having an issue, I think not! In fact, you seem to be extremely reactionary to anyone who dares to challenge your American belief system, which is found in your constitution, but not in the Bible.

As for governments, the early church did just fine under Imperial Rome, even if thousands of Christians were persecuted and died for believing in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died on the cross for their sins and rose from the dead.

I really hate it when I have to post an entire post in the BDF without supporting it with scripture! But that is my whole point! This topic has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, but rather an agenda being fostered in the right wing media of the US.

I am not anti- American, but my hope and desire is that American Christians (like Canadian, British, Aussie, etc!) would wake up and realize that the Kingdom of God is simply never going to be found in politics, voting or elections! Find those words in your Bible concordance!

"Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, [SUP]21 [/SUP]nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” Luke 17:20-21

There! I found a verse! Now I feel better.

First off I'm not American but Canadian.Moved here 13yrs ago.You did seem very angry and that is why I responded as I did.Its late in the game to discuss what was said.I posted a good video on why Christians should vote in a thread under that title and its relevance to the Bible if you care to check it out.Suffice to say we disagree tho I do believe a party doesn't save anyone.Only Christ can do that.

 

[phil112]

................................My point is that this is the BIBLE discussion forum, and politics has NOTHING to do with the Bible! Not American, Canadian or any other country!!..................................

That is simply not true.
The religious parties in the day of Christ were the political parties. And Christ dealt with everyone of them. Form the Pharisees, saducees, to the herodians. (Matthew 22:16)

We are compelled to vote, to have a hand in our government. Christ expects us to live for Him 24/7. We are never to set aside our religious convictions to participate in anything. You have not studied and thought about this enough or you would be aware of what I am saying. This is all bible, not phil.

Here is an accurate explanation of politics, religion, and Christ.

It's a shame that many Christians in America have a such a cynical view of politicians that they have a hard time putting "Jesus" in the same sentence with "politician", because politics can and should be a noble profession. Just because Greek word "politics" was never used in the bible, many people completely miss the fact that the bible devotes a tremendous amount of space to the reality behind that word. The only way people can miss that fact is to view "politics" only in terms of the politics of their own time and place. Just because the Bible doesn't use the terminology of U.S. politics (i.e., "Democrats", "Republicans", "Presidents", "Congress", "campaigns", etc.,) doesn't mean the Bible is devoid of politics. It just means that the Bible is about the politics of a different time and place. Anybody who has read the Old Testament can't miss the fact that most of it is about the political history of the Jewish people, its kings, its generals, its judges, its wars, and its legislation

All the word "politics," really means is simply the way in which the public life of the people ("polis" in Greek) is organized. In some societies, the community's "politics" has been determined by the people themselves ( which made them "democracies" ). In others, their political organization was imposed by other persons or groups ( which made them "monarchies" or "dictatorships" of various types, some benevolent, some not).

Jesus no "politician"

1 Corinthians 5:9,10 "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:[SUP] [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world."

We are to avoid associating with sinners closely, but it is impossible to avoid them and still be on this planet. By that scripture alone we should understand that when we must associate with the world it is by Christ's teachings. Let your light shine. The light that He has put in you thru His word and the spirit. To say we must separate ourselves from politics is naïve.

 

[Angela53510]

That is simply not true.
The religious parties in the day of Christ were the political parties. And Christ dealt with everyone of them. Form the Pharisees, saducees, to the herodians. (Matthew 22:16)

We are compelled to vote, to have a hand in our government. Christ expects us to live for Him 24/7. We are never to set aside our religious convictions to participate in anything. You have not studied and thought about this enough or you would be aware of what I am saying. This is all bible, not phil.

Here is an accurate explanation of politics, religion, and Christ. Jesus no "politician"

1 Corinthians 5:9,10 "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world."

We are to avoid associating with sinners closely, but it is impossible to avoid them and still be on this planet. By that scripture alone we should understand that when we must associate with the world it is by Christ's teachings. Let your light shine. The light that He has put in you thru His word and the spirit. To say we must separate ourselves from politics is naïve.

Wow, now not just putting words in my mouth, but pulling my words out if context, and twisting them to suit your agenda! And directly after an apology (accepted, of course!) for the first issue (crime??)!

I will in future note that your citations of the Bible are suspect, because of your inability to quote correctly, and reading things that are not there! Maybe you need to study hermeneutics, or just plain English interpretation, since you don't seem to get the basics of discussion and arguments (in a philosophical sense!)

In the mean time I will clarify my point, which is that there is NO "Christian" vote, but rather individuals voting for their preferred candidates. No party is perfect, nor does any party represent Christ or the Bible!

Which brings me to my second point, which is - this is a forum for discussing the BIBLE! Of course, you can probably legitimately add theology to that discussion!

But stop proselytizing your particular political view, under the name of religion in this forum. Take the politics elsewhere, because the Kingdom of God will not be found in politics, not yesterday, today, or forever!

And I am not mad, just slightly annoyed at the constant barrage of politics that appears in a forum which is supposed to be dedicated to discussing the BIBLE! (And not just this thread right now. There is another thread with one person only actually posting scripture verses, although sometimes out context to support a particular and cherished opinion!)

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I will take liberty to reply in red letters within your quote due to the many topics.

Again, you act like God is not sovereign.
Maybe you should define sovereignty of God. True sovereignty excludes individual choice. It requires that all things happen by the will of the sovereign one.
Is it not good to bury your own father? Is that not loving? And good? Could you not witness at his funeral?
It is not logical that given the current outrageous promotions of godlessness in America that no law might prohibit any religious speech in any facility available to the public. Atheists do visit funerals, but would love to not hear the gospel. One vote can eliminate all religious speech. Of course a person could go ahead and witness Christ in eulogy, then be arrested and condemned as a criminal like in N. Korea. We in America are still just a vote away from living like they do, the gospel made illegal. Why risk the freedom to preach it by avoiding the favor of God to maintain a free union by voting out the bad guys, installing Christians?

Jesus says, let the dead bury their own dead. Your not listening to Jesus concerning this matter.
Let's be sure to quote verses accurately and in context. Matthew 8:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

That means let those with greater interest in burying the dead than following Christ stay home among the dead. Our mission is far greater than burials. Sounds a bit harsh, but Jesus objected to sticking around so the disciple could go do that.

Following by sight unseen. See, you are looking at what you can do physically. This is not a walk by faith. Jesus calls us to walk by faith.
James 2:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Not by works of the law, we know. Not by faith alone. Faith all by itself is dead without good works that exercise faith.


The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. Do you think God's hands are tied behind his back because I don't act to vote? Where is your faith that God is good? What verse tells me to get involved in politics? If your argument had any weight to it, then surely Scripture would back you up. But it doesn't. It is dead silent. Why is that? Shouldn't that silence disturb you?
If yours was someday to be the one preventing a turnover to communist atheism ruling over us, for instance, then I'd say you will have tied God's hands in the matter, letting all the land plunge into desperation like with ancient Israel which disobeyed the warnings to repent. Christians that refuse to pray do that all the days of their lives, often suffering needlessly. God's will is obviously leaning heavily upon our prayers that His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. If Jesus meant something else in the model prayer, please educate me.
The concept of voting for change in government was unknown to the early Church. Our founding fathers heard from God and learned from history and other great thinkers that God authorizes governments and requires us to obey our government.
Titus 3:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Our American government was established by the help of God against tyranny, as declared in the Declaration of Independence, and our government established our right to vote, and promote candidates, preferably godly ones. Since I am commanded to obey governors, even some terrible judges, and be about good works, I am involved in government and have duty to it. Ours is a government designed for the people to tell the government what to do for us, not it dictating our lives. It is a high privilege given by God to preserve, making America the premier light on the hill proclaiming Christ to the nations.


I want you to take a step back a moment. Step out of yourself and the little world you live in for a second. Think of the bigger picture of what is happening. Do you think that when you stub your toe by accident that it is an accident? I don't.
So you say there is no such thing as an accident? God directs every calamity, every murder, every everything bad or good?

I believe everything happens for a purpose and reason for God's greater purpose and glory. I believe Romans 8:28. It says ALL things work together for good to them that love God. It does not say, all things work together for good to them that become a part of the world's affairs so as to vote in an evil leader (That doesn't believe the gospel of Jesus Christ). See, you are looking on the surface of things. Making a move based on what you can SEE and not on what you cannot see (Which is faith). For faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Ask yourself if your voting is more sight unseen like faith or if it is more in line with walking by sight.

That verse gets abused often, applied to the point a person might jump off a tall building thinking because he is faithful he will not fall to his death. Again, let's get that scripture in context. Romans 8:24-30 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Verse 28 is not a standalone promise to all people citing it. The subject is salvation, God's will, prayer, how God gives blessing to the obedient, and gave men choice to believe or not believe according to His plan for men in Christ. The blessings go to the called ones who are obedient to their call. Probably most people believing themselves to be Christian are doing nothing towards God's purpose for them. Many ignore callings to service. Many wink at sin. Many continue to live the same lives after confession of Christ as before that, while claiming that everything that happens to them will be for good because of that one verse, but without obedience.

Anyways, I say this not to wound you, but I say this in love so as to lead you to the truth on this matter.

Please be well.
And may God bless you greatly.

I am not subject to being wounded by brethren, but submit to iron sharpening iron from them. Everything I have said above was done prayerfully, careful Bible study, many deletions of whole lines I thought was good but was convicted not to offend, and it took a few hours to be sure it is in the love of Christ. I learned and was reminded of many things replying.

May the Lord bless you today above your expectations, brother in Christ.


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[Word_Swordsman]

Jason, Jesus laid His crown down so to speak in exchange for a crown of thorns. In doing so He yielded sovereignty to make men His brothers. He told His disciples he wouldn't call them servants, but from then on FRIENDS. What we received by way of Jesus, Son of God, is full status as children of God, free to choose from good or evil instead of being slaves to sin. We still have charge of dominion here on earth, and will answer for our choices.

 

[phil112]

Wow, now not just putting words in my mouth, but pulling my words out if context, and twisting them to suit your agenda! And directly after an apology (accepted, of course!) for the first issue (crime??)!............................

Crime? It is a crime to disagree with you? My, my, I don't know where you live, but here in Oklahoma we have no such law.

Originally Posted by Angela53510 ................................My point is that this is the BIBLE discussion forum, and politics has NOTHING to do with the Bible! Not American, Canadian or any other country!!..................................

You started the sentence with a capitol letter. You ended it with exclamation points. That sentence is a statement that stands on it's own. There is no "context" involved with such a statement. You said the Pharisees weren't the main or ruling party, however you put it, and I gave you scripture where Christ got crossways with everyone of them. The religious party was the political party in that time. You cannot deny that and tell the truth at the same time. You cannot separate your spiritual life from your political views. God does not want you to. He wants you to walk the walk 24/7/365. If you vote, you must vote your religious convictions, else your convictions aren't worth much. As I said, to hold the view you do of this topic is naïve.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

But stop proselytizing your particular political view, under the name of religion in this forum. Take the politics elsewhere, because the Kingdom of God will not be found in politics, not yesterday, today, or forever!

And I am not mad, just slightly annoyed at the constant barrage of politics that appears in a forum which is supposed to be dedicated to discussing the BIBLE! (And not just this thread right now. There is another thread with one person only actually posting scripture verses, although sometimes out context to support a particular and cherished opinion!)

Until Jesus returns to rule 1,000 years on earth, our politics IS a major part of our government. The government is not yet on Jesus' shoulders. It will be. Meanwhile it is not "meet" to leave that up to atheists, extremist liberals, and the outright wicked. It has been God's will all along to maintain as godly a government as possible.
Proverbs 29:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

That is timeless wisdom from God.

In this time of man the only proven method of having benefit of that scripture is to have a government style of either pure democracy or democratic republic representative government.

The latter has been the most enabling of the preaching of the gospel, and general well-being of the governed.

The former requires excessive time investment of the whole electorate, which ought to be about their various callings.


The topic most definitely rests well under Bible Discussion Forum. That verse alone makes it so. The only way people can have a say about which kind of rule they will be governed by is not by autocratic rule by a dictator or king and his friends, but to seize upon the one form of government that can be shaped by voters. The American way!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I say this because whatever is not of faith is sin. Faith is a walk that is sight unseen. Voting is having faith in an evil world leader to do God's job for you. Let God worry about if you can preach the gospel in your country or not. For I know that if such a thing were to happen, no vote would be able to stop it. Remember, the system is corrupt. But Jesus is always good. Have faith in Jesus Christ and not in the system.

I must disagree again.

Where does it say faith is about the "unseen" only?
I prefer Hebrews 11:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Can you see evidence of the creation? Have you no hope? Is all you desire still unseen and not founded upon hope? Faith has substance. It provides evidence that can be seen of things not seen in the natural, such as words spoken, and atoms, and the wind. God's word produces enough evidence that even though one might not yet see with the natural eyes what is hoped for, it is seen before materializing.

I have never voted for a world leader. I have never voted for any candidate that is not an active Christian submitted to a local church. Even the unchurched tend to find comfort in voting for the "churched", Christian or not. Why? Atheists don't typically show significant benevolence in their communities, for one matter.

If a person willingly gives up the right to preach the gospel by inattention to community issues, that is not a good citizen to trust. I would be very nervous having a neighbor that is equally satisfied having God choose an evil ruler, or a righteous one for us. That would be an absurd predicament. The evil one would then be able to destroy us both for no reason other than a whim. At the very least we are commanded to pray for our rulers, and to obey the judges. We are also commanded by Jesus to preach the gospel to every creature. That is impossible under evil rulership. Will you be happy to have judges who rule no Christian may live under a roof or speak in public? Only non-Christians may enjoy the benefits of civilization? Would it be God's will for Satan to gain the souls of the world without resistance from the Church by preaching liberty in Christ? Rather, it is God who gives wealth for that one reasonDeuteronomy 8:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

That applied to a major principle of God that sustained the Hebrews in the wilderness for 40 years prior to the giving of the law of Moses at the end of that journey. We too must remember the LORD our God who wishes the same for all generations that obey Him. The evil rulers will not let you have that blessing, but will promote slavery, soft slavery (welfare state), and inevitable accompanying disabling poverty.

Satan's world system is corrupt, but not the American way! If yu don't do your part to keep it good, given by God, then the non-voter, and the ones choosing evil, have no reason to complain other than to express free speech.

 

[Yet]

We need to pray that every state legalizes pot and every other drug. This way a ton of liberal zombies
will be to stoned to make it to the poles on election days! Smile. One can only hope!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

We need to pray that every state legalizes pot and every other drug. This way a ton of liberal zombies
will be to stoned to make it to the poles on election days! Smile. One can only hope!

Apparently they all partied in Colorado instead of going to their polls. Another possibility was failure to focus clearly on the ballot text, just hitting the names on top, which are newcomers, while the candidates on bottom are incumbents (up for re-election). All of our incumbents were Democrats, so stopping at the top candidate assured a Republican sweep. That helped us serious voters have more time to be sure to read the constitution issues, and make sure we made no errors, then get outside to campaign, informing voters of what they will be looking at, and a few glitches to watch out for. The younger folks filled theirs out in seconds, scrambling to get back on their cellphones. We went from all D to all R except for two out of dozens of contests, one of which I voted for. Yes, I did it. I voted across party lines. First time ever.

All kidding aside about the pot/drug legalization thing, while we were voting responsibly there would be legally drugged hoards of those zombies on our porches, breaking in, cutting power poles down for the copper wires, keeping the law enforcement folks from making it to the polls. I think I prefer to keep it difficult and risky to get hold of that stuff