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You are grossly misusing these Scriptures...
Judging by appearance is NOT calling murdering someone wrong, or homosexuality wrong, or the celebration of devil worship days wrong...
and using Romans 14 to say its ok to celebrate days the FATHER has already told us not to... WOW
This is why the mystery of iniquity (being without law) is taking over, nobody stands against sin, it makes you a big meanie if you saying sin is wrong...
I was referring to your judgement about Holidays and its practices. That is what this thread is about, isn't it?
We are also told not to impose beliefs on others and not to argue about things........
By the way, the "original" observation of pagan fetivities involved drunkness, sex, and other unworthy conduct.
This is not the Christmas that I hear about today. I certainly don't get drunk and sleep around in honor of Satan so why do you assume people do?
This is not the Christmas that I hear about today. I certainly don't get drunk and sleep around in honor of Satan so why do you assume people do?
judgement is not sayin a sin is wrong, judgement is saying the person who does that sin is going to burn in the lake of fire.
satan has made sin acceptable.
yet your judgement seems to be based more on your personal interpretation and not what scripture says.
show me 1 single place where calling a sin a sin is called judgement?
this is judging by appearance, pertaining to the verse you quoted
james says: 1My brothers, don't hold the faith of our Ruler Yahshua Messiah of glory with partiality. 2For if a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, comes into your synagogue, and a poor man in filthy clothing also comes in; 3and you pay special attention to him who wears the fine clothing, and say, "Sit here in a good place;" and you tell the poor man, "Stand there," or "Sit by my footstool;" 4haven't you shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?
24“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
Do you not know what righteous judgement is?
how is accepting or not speaking against demonic practices righteous judgement?
I'm aware of what judgement is and how it should be used. I'm also aware of self righteous judgement and what I see is you literally boasting about what you don't do and self inflating yourself as if you're above others. You represent your opinion as fact. You're attitude is not a good attribute for a Christian. Others have noticed this as well
now you are moving to topic to something you did not address nor did I, you picked at somthing else he said, and now jump somewhere else...
whoever thinks its ok to celebrate pagan holidays after knowing their truth can not judge simple life matters...
also this is the OP topic, and i replied no I dont...
so if I had a problem with a particular sin in the past should I not proclaim to the congregation that Yahweh has sent me the info and ability to overcome this sin?
Leviticus 19:18, ""'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
Proverbs 12:1, "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is brutish"
Proverbs 15:12, "A scorner has no love for one who would reprove him, so he will not go near the wise."
Modern teaching says dont rebuke, allow your brother to continue in his sin!
Yaaqob 5:20, "Let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way, will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
I enjoy standing against sin, as I enjoy helping others refuse sin and walk in Yahweh's way, may Yahweh show us truth and strengthen us.
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marrion
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Not to go off topic here but if we condemn others for judging yet we go around pointing out and criticizing people who we deem to be in wrong judgment or self righteous are we not guilty of the same thing?
I am not against judging so long as it is righteous judgement based on scripture and is coming from the right place not to put people down and make oneself feel good about themselves.
And I think herein lies the problem.
One cannot really completely accurately tell the true reason behind why someone is judging another.
is it out of love, hate, jealousy, envy, misinformation etc.
If one has discernment they should be able to get somewhat of a feel for why someone chooses to judge another.
Also the way in which someone is posting these judgements.
is it in a loving way and how does one respond when they are disagreed with?
do they respond with insults and mockery or do they try to explain why they disagree by using scripture.
I think we should all respect the fact that we are going to disagree and try to at last see where each other is coming from.
I am not against judging so long as it is righteous judgement based on scripture and is coming from the right place not to put people down and make oneself feel good about themselves.
And I think herein lies the problem.
One cannot really completely accurately tell the true reason behind why someone is judging another.
is it out of love, hate, jealousy, envy, misinformation etc.
If one has discernment they should be able to get somewhat of a feel for why someone chooses to judge another.
Also the way in which someone is posting these judgements.
is it in a loving way and how does one respond when they are disagreed with?
do they respond with insults and mockery or do they try to explain why they disagree by using scripture.
I think we should all respect the fact that we are going to disagree and try to at last see where each other is coming from.
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didymos
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eternally-gratefull
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I stopped doing christmas about 8 years ago. Aside from the origins and the wrong date, its not Biblical to celebrate it, and we're never told to.
But I imagine this will be a conversation that will be in full force about a month from now.
Yet God uses it all the time Many a people have come to Christ over this "pagan" holiday. Many more will.
Just another reason to separate from the world. Paul said to be all things to all people. I guess that does not count for this?
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eternally-gratefull
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it would only be a sin if people were practicing paganism. They are not. They are glorifying God, and God uses them to bring many people to him. All things are possible with Christ, If he can use it, Why stop him? Just another way to alientate ourselves. Thank God Christ showed us the true way, He went to the sinners. And stayed away from the self righteous judges..
I don't know that it's so much the holiday that brings people to Him, but more likely it's His Spirit. So this could be true of anything in this world. It doesn't mean it's Biblical, though. Which is one of my concerns. We are never told by God or the disciples to celebrate Christmas.
And I wonder e-g, if many in here would hold the same standard and respect you just made about Christmas, to all of the Biblical Feast Days?
You know it sounds like there are a lot of jehovah witnesses on here. PLEASE DON'T CELEBRATE YOUR BIRTHDAY IT TAKES THE FOCUS AWAY FROM JEHOVAH, AND PLEASE PLEASE DON'T CELEBRATE JESUS BIRTHDAY NO MATTER WHAT DAY IT IS CAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THE FOCUS FROM? I've had a Christmas tree in my house since I was born and before that and the Lord Jesus has blessed our family greatly throughout the years. And it is biblical, for if the birth and celebration of Jesus wasn't anything to memorialize the three wise men wouldn't be in the bible and neither would the gifts they brought. It's all about the Fathers love sending Jesus the Christ as a Gift and is it not for us to do like wise and give gifts of charity at drop off points like the food pantry and good will stores and to give to those in need and is it not right to teach our own in our own house to give gifts to one another also to learn to be charitable and what better place then to start under a Christmas tree all decorated to set the mood of Piece Love and Joy. You people are so into the old testament laws you are the ones that left out God in the picture. It says what ever you do, do all for the Glory of God and that means even finding the best tree and the best decorations to celebrate Jesus. Your religion is morbid, mine is alive.
Regarding the date of Christmas - The birth of Christ was carefully calculated based on the information the Bible gives. The Bible does not say the day Jesus was born, but John the Baptist's birth can be calculated based on his father's time of duty in the temple. The Bible indicates an amount of time after John was conceived that Mary conceived Jesus. This calculation leads a couple of possibilities: either a December birth or a fall birth. Since the first century, the church has agreed Christ was born in late December. This is a full three centuries before the claim is made that Christian leaders proclaimed December 25th as the official celebration day, which may have been an intelligent strategy to override a pagan holiday. You can read about the calculation here: Christmas - Was Jesus born on December 25th?
I celebrate the birth of the Messiah on a date near or on the best calculation based on Scripture along with the rest of the world. I know what is in my heart and that is a great love for a man with the nature of God in Him and nothing could keep me from it!
I celebrate the birth of the Messiah on a date near or on the best calculation based on Scripture along with the rest of the world. I know what is in my heart and that is a great love for a man with the nature of God in Him and nothing could keep me from it!