The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman
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You haven't addressed my fundamental claims.
First, Pentecostal churches do not exhibit their "tongues" in a biblical manner, and instead quite often are all blabbering all at the same, time, with no interpreter. Is this following Scriptural commands? And, if their exhibition of "tongues" is being practiced in an unbiblical way, aren't they at the least disobedient Christians without any credibility due to their rebellion?
Second, did the tongues exhibited at Pentecost relate to actual human languages? Yes. Then, why should I take less clear passages and redefine the context of tongues in those verses?
Third, Pentecostals often claim that everyone should be speaking in tongues, and some even deny that non-tongues speakers are Christians. Is this biblical?
Fourth, do you claim God audibly spoke to you? Is this a common claim amongst Pentecostals? If so, then how can we take anything they say seriously?
I think the reason Pentecostals say things like this is to implicitly claim that they are closer to God than others, and to engender respect for their claims. With me, it does exactly the opposite. If Pentecostals make bold claims like this, I simply reject them. I doubt their claims, and even doubt their faith, because at the end of the day, I think they are lying.
First, Pentecostal churches do not exhibit their "tongues" in a biblical manner, and instead quite often are all blabbering all at the same, time, with no interpreter. Is this following Scriptural commands? And, if their exhibition of "tongues" is being practiced in an unbiblical way, aren't they at the least disobedient Christians without any credibility due to their rebellion?
Second, did the tongues exhibited at Pentecost relate to actual human languages? Yes. Then, why should I take less clear passages and redefine the context of tongues in those verses?
Third, Pentecostals often claim that everyone should be speaking in tongues, and some even deny that non-tongues speakers are Christians. Is this biblical?
Fourth, do you claim God audibly spoke to you? Is this a common claim amongst Pentecostals? If so, then how can we take anything they say seriously?
I think the reason Pentecostals say things like this is to implicitly claim that they are closer to God than others, and to engender respect for their claims. With me, it does exactly the opposite. If Pentecostals make bold claims like this, I simply reject them. I doubt their claims, and even doubt their faith, because at the end of the day, I think they are lying.
OK..now it comes out..
We are the ones who are really the special, spirit filled ones.
And, notice that Paul called tongues the least of gifts, mostly because it did edify the individual and not the Church.
Yet, in the claims of Pentecostals, it is a sign of the spirit-filled ones.
By the way, the gift of tongues is only discussed in a few chapters. It seems like the fixation of Pentecostals on this gift is disproportionate to the Scriptural teaching on it.
And, the clearest teaching is in Acts, where tongues are involving HUMAN LANGUAGES.
We are the ones who are really the special, spirit filled ones.
And, notice that Paul called tongues the least of gifts, mostly because it did edify the individual and not the Church.
Yet, in the claims of Pentecostals, it is a sign of the spirit-filled ones.
By the way, the gift of tongues is only discussed in a few chapters. It seems like the fixation of Pentecostals on this gift is disproportionate to the Scriptural teaching on it.
And, the clearest teaching is in Acts, where tongues are involving HUMAN LANGUAGES.
""In other words, you know that they are elitists who think that they are endowed, while others are not.
You just don't want to say it.""
Ok.You're right.
I will never share my faith again to some sinner on the street.
I never saw salvation as haughty .
So I guess you can just evangelize by saying they will not have any of heavens benefits ,blessing or warmth cause we don't want to be superior right?
Just his heavy hand and walk all cast down and depressed.
We are just sinners saved by grace. Not at all special and family.
I will try this inferior walk .
Oh wait,I tried sad and cast down and depressed.
I will stick with Jesus. The joy of the Lord is my strength.
You just don't want to say it.""
Ok.You're right.
I will never share my faith again to some sinner on the street.
I never saw salvation as haughty .
So I guess you can just evangelize by saying they will not have any of heavens benefits ,blessing or warmth cause we don't want to be superior right?
Just his heavy hand and walk all cast down and depressed.
We are just sinners saved by grace. Not at all special and family.
I will try this inferior walk .
Oh wait,I tried sad and cast down and depressed.
I will stick with Jesus. The joy of the Lord is my strength.
LOL...
Are you claiming God audibly speaks to his sheep? I have never heard God's voice audibly, but I know I am joined to Christ.
And nothing you say can change that fact.
I am not clamoring for God to speak audibly to me, because I am confident I have been joined to Jesus. I don't need signs and wonders to prove it to myself.
Are you claiming God audibly speaks to his sheep? I have never heard God's voice audibly, but I know I am joined to Christ.
And nothing you say can change that fact.
I am not clamoring for God to speak audibly to me, because I am confident I have been joined to Jesus. I don't need signs and wonders to prove it to myself.
By the way, I know some Pentecostals are claiming they hear God speaking audibly.
The Pentecostal chaplain I worked with claimed he heard God speaking audibly.
This was one reason I decided to stop doing ministry with those guys. I am not going to be a party to this type of deception for self-glory.
The Pentecostal chaplain I worked with claimed he heard God speaking audibly.
This was one reason I decided to stop doing ministry with those guys. I am not going to be a party to this type of deception for self-glory.
With any man you hook up with you have to spit out the seeds.
That dynamic will never go away.
We are flawed and need each other.
The one thing not negotiable is the testimony.
Our experience with God is precious. It is part of our spiritual dna.
I have seen God meet people and touch them mightily.
Then some "brother" comes to tell them it was bogus.
That is pitiful
That dynamic will never go away.
We are flawed and need each other.
The one thing not negotiable is the testimony.
Our experience with God is precious. It is part of our spiritual dna.
I have seen God meet people and touch them mightily.
Then some "brother" comes to tell them it was bogus.
That is pitiful
You know, assuming this was an evangelistic encounter, the testimony should have been focused on Jesus, and what he has done on the Cross.
If your focus isn't on this, but is on some weird story, then you are talking about the wrong thing anyways.
Testimonies are subjective and prove nothing. The Word of God is the foundation of truth. If you reason with someone from Scripture, then you're talking about solid ground.
Anytime I'm talking to a man, he might be lying. Therefore, anything he says is subject to doubt. If he tells an outlandish story, that is meaningless. Speaking the word of God is a different story.
I'll give you an example. Someone told me a story about how they met God in a vision, and this led to his conversion. Then, later on, he related information about other accounts that were not accurate to the truth. These were details I knew about. Now, I cannot help but think he may have been lying all along about his vision. I want to believe the guy, but now I cannot believe him. This is one of the few circumstances that I believed claims about visions. He is a friend of mine, and I like him, and am sadly disappointed about it. But such is the reality of people claiming visions that they may or may not have had.
If your focus isn't on this, but is on some weird story, then you are talking about the wrong thing anyways.
Testimonies are subjective and prove nothing. The Word of God is the foundation of truth. If you reason with someone from Scripture, then you're talking about solid ground.
Anytime I'm talking to a man, he might be lying. Therefore, anything he says is subject to doubt. If he tells an outlandish story, that is meaningless. Speaking the word of God is a different story.
I'll give you an example. Someone told me a story about how they met God in a vision, and this led to his conversion. Then, later on, he related information about other accounts that were not accurate to the truth. These were details I knew about. Now, I cannot help but think he may have been lying all along about his vision. I want to believe the guy, but now I cannot believe him. This is one of the few circumstances that I believed claims about visions. He is a friend of mine, and I like him, and am sadly disappointed about it. But such is the reality of people claiming visions that they may or may not have had.