The easy way to spot a false grace message

[dcontroversal]

he won't be straight when he answers because he can't he has himself in a trap here. If he is honest and says yes I teach and believe the sinless doctrine then the scriptures alone accuse him not us but if he also says no I don't then his own words betray him because all his posts while may not directly stating it hint and imply the sinless doctrine and so the only choice is to continue to avoid a straight answer and yet even that doesn't help his cause

Amen to that...there are about 4 or 5 on here that are full of it....talk out of both sides of their mouth......and they even have the audacity to say that God will reference them an their teaching on the day of judgment to condemn men to hell......what lying fools.........to make oneself equal with Jesus.....the ONLY man who did no sin and he even said why callest thou me GOOD...there is NONE good but GOD......!

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm sure they thought the same of Jesus.

John 8:46

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Another deceiver lifting himself up to be equal with Jesus.........

 

[SovereignGrace]

Easy way to spot a false message? There's one on here now...

 

[Utah]

I would like to remind you and others that this thread is not about me, or what you think of me, or even about you personally, but it is about what the words of Jesus Christ say is true. If you want to believe that Satan who has the power over sin and death is stronger than Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth and everything that is in them, then that is your choice to doubt the power of God.

But I know by the power of God in Christ and by the testimony of Jesus Christ, that you can indeed be made free from the works of the Devil, if you will only believe. Peace

I would like to remind you that in post 4 you insinuated many people (on CC) are not Christian, thus this thread, in part, most certainly has to do with you and your accusations.

You proclaim freedom in Christ yet you are too imprisoned to answer a simple question, lest you be corrected and learn something. Let your yes, be yes, and your no, be no. Anything else is from the evil one. Answer the question in the resounding freedom you state you have in Jesus.

 

[Persuaded]

I would like to remind you and others that this thread is not about me, or what you think of me, or even about you personally, but it is about what the words of Jesus Christ say is true. If you want to believe that Satan who has the power over sin and death is stronger than Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth and everything that is in them, then that is your choice to doubt the power of God.

But I know by the power of God in Christ and by the testimony of Jesus Christ, that you can indeed be made free from the works of the Devil, if you will only believe. Peace

Every one of your post is about you.
It is about you being more holy than the rest of us.
It is about your greater understanding than the rest of us.
It is about your judging others as slaves to sin.
It is about your never sinning while others live in sin.
It is always you, you, you.
You are a false teacher.
I pray that God will stop you.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I would like to remind you that in post 4 you insinuated many people (on CC) are not Christian, thus this thread, in part, most certainly has to do with you and your accusations.

Nope I did not personally accused anyone, but I am constantly accused and slandered as this thread is no different.

Here is what I was responding to in post #4---->>>>

sin does not have dominion over Christians...ANY Christian..

And here is my response in post #4---->>>>

I believe many are in name only calling themselves a Christian, but not truly one by spiritual rebirth and conversion, being enjoined into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. An example would be these who called Jesus Lord, but He did not know them, as they were also still workers of iniquity.

Matthew 7:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Luke 13:23-27

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."

Notice, I did not attack, judge, or accuse anyone personally on CC in that post, but yet I am personally attacked and accused by others; this thread is no exception. Have a nice evening.

 

[JesusRules1]

I have found a pretty simple way of spotting a false grace message.

The false grace message says sin (works of the flesh) still has dominion over you when you are born again of the Spirit and under grace. This means by definition that you are still a servant of sin.

But the true grace message says when you are born again of the Spirit and truly under grace sin shall not have dominion over you. This means you are now made free from sin by Christ and are now also made a servant of righteousness.

So when the false grace camp say works do not matter, they also include the works of the flesh=sin in the whole mix of works as they say do not matter.

Sin is a work people, and sin does matter, that is also why Jesus came and was crucified.

The Bible says a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,which means a person will be tempted but not carry out the act,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,and God said He will not allow the saints to be tempted above measure,and will cause them to escape that temptation.

How is there an excuse why we cannot be like Jesus,when the Spirit is given to us to abstain from sin,for will God say that is alright you did not have to abstain from sin if you did not want to when the Spirit is given to us to do that.

How is there an excuse,for if a person claiming Christ will not give up a sin when the power is there to conquer it,what would be their excuse.

It would be like someone buying a house,and 1000 dollars payment a month,but someone is giving them the money to pay for it,and they go blow the money instead of making the payment,how is there an excuse why they could not pay it when the money was given to them,and how is there an excuse for not abstaining from sin,when the Spirit is given to us.

But I am not talking about if we sin,and get rid of it,for we can always repent of our sins,and if we live in sin for a year we can still repent of it,but a person cannot say if we have sin we will not give up it does not affect our relationship with God.

If by the Spirit we will abstain from sin how does a person have an excuse why they did not give up the sin.

Sin shall not have dominion over us if we are led by the Spirit,and we are not under the law if led by the Spirit,which means the law cannot touch us for prosecution because we are not breaking the law,the moral laws.

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

 

[LaurenTM]

he won't be straight when he answers because he can't he has himself in a trap here. If he is honest and says yes I teach and believe the sinless doctrine then the scriptures alone accuse him not us but if he also says no I don't then his own words betray him because all his posts while may not directly stating it hint and imply the sinless doctrine and so the only choice is to continue to avoid a straight answer and yet even that doesn't help his cause

his entire presentation is based on this type of duplistic rendering!

spot on Blain!

 

[LaurenTM]

What we seem to have here is a lack of faith in believing what Jesus said He could in fact do, which is to make you free from sin and from being a servant of sin. I have posted the words of Jesus Christ, but yet I am called a liar for posting and believing in them. Consider many of those who Jesus healed, Jesus would often ask them if they believed He could perform the miracle.

Matthew 9:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you."

Believing the words of Jesus Christ are also important concerning the faith.

​

Jesus we believe

you not so much

 

[Utah]

Nope I did not personally accused anyone, but I am constantly accused and slandered as this thread is no different.

Here is what I was responding to in post #4---->>>>

And here is my response in post #4---->>>>

Notice, I did not attack, judge, or accuse anyone personally on CC in that post, but yet I am personally attacked and accused by others; this thread is no exception. Have a nice evening.

I get it, your comment was made regarding people outside of CC but in no way we're you affiliating anyone on CC with your comment. Of course, why would anyone think you were including CC members with whom you argue all the time about the abysmal magnitude of their devil-loving iniquities compared to your sinless perfectionism? My mistake. Now answer my question, do you believe I am Christian? Freedom awaits!

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus we believe

you not so much

HAHAHAH that is hilarious......

 

[LaurenTM]

HAHHAA toucheeeeeeee.........what he sins....NO WAY....He is so righteous and sinless that Jesus will call him up with Diamond Dave to reference and use as a witness at the day of reward/judgment.......

I don't think those 2 would actually get along

inspirit would hiss at Dave and Dave would be all like 'I still love you man'

 

[LaurenTM]

HAHAHAH that is hilarious......

but I was serious.........

I thought my next post was funny...

 

[PeterJens]

A false grace movement for me is one that does not know how to love
and how to be emotionally open.

I suspect after talking to many believers, this is such a difficult issue most
would oppose a fellowship were these two things happened because they
would find it too challenging. But I think this is ironic, with the amount
of spiritual one-upmanship that goes on, rather than that is a challenging point,
I will take it to the Lord.

In most families, disputes go out of control, and do not resolve.
In the Lords family we are called to forgive, to trust and explore our
experiences and each other. So it makes me wonder how many can
take up such a challenge and place.

Or do the points of hurt stay, and forgiveness is only for show?
Think about Jesus and how His closest friends left Him and betrayed
him to a violent death. That must have really hurt. He is a glorious
Lord and example.

 

[Stephen63]

The "sinless perfection in the flesh" doctrine is a very deadly one to young Christians and can upset their faith and walk with the Lord.

Uumm, excuse me..... how can ANY doctrine be deadly to a young christian when your "radical grace" doctrine plainly says past, present, & future sins are already forgiven?

 

[Blain]

Uumm, excuse me..... how can ANY doctrine be deadly to a young christian when your "radical grace" doctrine plainly says past, present, & future sins are already forgiven?

The sinless doctrine almost destroyed me in my second year of faith I was certain I was going to hell and this radical grace you speak of is not what you seem to think it is

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Even the most wicked of false teachers and prophets quote Christs words that doesn't mean what they preach is valid.

But at least I do quote the words of Jesus and the apostles to prove all my points as valid. But again, you and others on the other hand just post your own opinions of me, as if that somehow makes the words of God I post invalid. What a joke!

The words of God and the Truth is on my side, if they were not you would be able to prove them wrong by scripture. But you guys cannot, so you do what you do best, and that is bear false witness, make personal attacks and smart comments, and try to prop up the straw man arguments of "self righteousness" "legalism" "works salvationism" or "sinless perfectionism".

All these evil tactics show you cannot refute the words of Jesus and the apostles which I preach and quote.

Here are some more of those pesky words of God to prove my point about being made free from sin when you are truly born of God....enjoy!

1 John 3:5-10

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

 

[Blain]

But at least I do quote the words of Jesus and the apostles to prove all my points as valid. But again, you and others on the other hand just post your own opinions of me, as if that somehow makes the words of God I post invalid. What a joke!

The words of God and the Truth is on my side, if they were not you would be able to prove them wrong by scripture. But you guys cannot, so you do what you do best, and that is bear false witness, make personal attacks and smart comments, and try to prop up the straw man arguments of "self righteousness" "legalism" "works salvationism" or "sinless perfectionism".

All these evil tactics show you cannot refute the words of Jesus and the apostles which I preach and quote.

Here are some more of those pesky words of God to prove my point about being made free from sin when you are truly born of God....enjoy!

1 John 3:5-10

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

I don't use the scriptures to prove myself right I have more respect for the word of God than that, you post scriptures thinking the fact you post them makes what you say valid but as with everything else in life and in faith the heart behind it is the deciding factor. You can post all the scriptures you want but that doesn't make what you say valid, and I am not obligated to post scriptures nor is anyone else I use the scriptures to help others not to prove myself right

 

[Stephen63]

The sinless doctrine almost destroyed me in my second year of faith I was certain I was going to hell and this radical grace you speak of is not what you seem to think it is

It's a well-established fact that radical grace & hypergrace are one & the same.

 

[Blain]

It's a well-established fact that radical grace & hypergrace are one & the same.

the problem is that you think you understand what hypergrace is but I am not going into that debate again mainly because it's not allowed but I can assure you doctrine has the power to destroy lives in fact had God not done what he did I would have given up on my faith because I thought myself to weak to be able to walk in Christ all because of the sinless doctrine