The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

[FollowerofShiloh]

I would like to see some Scripture on this point please.

You don't believe the Tree of Life is an emblem of Jesus?

 

[Niki7]

Why are you so angry? Anyone who comes to Christ is Elect.

why do falsely say things like that about another when it is obvious I find your dodging humorous?

you can arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic all you want, that baby is still gonna sink

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Yep. I’ve been saying this for the longest time.

NO you really haven't, sorry to say. I read several of your posts where you made the distinction. I can't unsee those.

But cheer up. We can just move on from this. We've all learned hard lessons before. I know I have.


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[FollowerofShiloh]

Yes but you where given the choice beforehand

The choice of not doing his will

Is that your choice to begin with

In the unsaved they listen to the other choice.

Do you call that free choice 🤔

I don't I call it ignorance of the choices they where given.

And a idea based of a choice to be like a demi God or to challenge God.

When they stand before God will God accept the excuse when they say well I was free to choose

but the decisions are made in our lifetime real time.

 

[listenyoumustAll]

All that is true. But God picked Saul on behalf of the people. The people were in open rebellion against God and God gave them the leadership they asked for. Had God chosen to put forth David at that time, the people would have rejected him. David was a puny lad and Saul stood a head over the other people. They looked upon appearance and not as God does. But God makes plain that the people are in rebellion and that getting a king would be a heavy yoke upon them.
It wasn't God's choice to institute a king, and had He chosen according to His manner, Saul would never have been considered.

Yes Saul would never have been considered ..scriptures read. 1 Samuel 12:12(KJV) And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king... Jesus Christ through David was the route from the start . God king over his people . king of the Jews .

 

[selahsays]

She's not angry, but you are definitely trying to save face. Just admit you're wrong and be gracious about it. Smh....

You know you're still our sister in Christ, right? This doesn't have to end badly. i still love you and I bet @Niki7 does too!
Tell me how it is that I’m trying to save f

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why do falsely say things like that about another when it is obvious I find your dodging humorous?

you can arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic all you want, that baby is still gonna sink

I don’t understand. Please speak plainly. I’m right here.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

but the decisions are made in our lifetime real time.

Well scripture says different

It's says I know what you need before you ask

 

[Niki7]

PS. - I actually love roller coaster rides though!


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well the one that made me queasy was the upside down loop

I was pretty much looped all day after that. probably the main reason I never applied to be an astronaut

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Well scripture says different

It's says I know what you need before you ask

Knowing what we need and me deciding correctly are not even anywhere close to being the same concept or thing.

 

[selahsays]

NO you really haven't, sorry to say. I read several of your posts where you made the distinction. I can't unsee those.

But cheer up. We can just move on from this. We've all learned hard lessons before. I know I have.


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You must not have been reading my posts. Look back and back and back. As a matter of fact, you’re getting some of the things you’re saying from what I’ve written in the past.

 

[awelight]

Are you not even following the conversation in which you are engaged?

Irresistible grace is irrevocably tied to people believing they had no choice.

It is the thread topic matter after all.

Wow aren't you getting snarky. A little out of character for you.

You know the answers to your question because you know where I stand. So what's the point? I will say this: If God placed the Elect in Christ before the foundation of the world, then how would the elect individual frustrate His Grace. Do you think a person has the ability to undo what God has done?

The Father put His Elect in Christ.... you will become a believer. Otherwise, God is not God. Simple.

 

[selahsays]

well the one that made me queasy was the upside down loop

I was pretty much looped all day after that. probably the main reason I never applied to be an astronaut

Off topic

 

[awelight]

are you trying to justify your own idea 🙂

Oh great a question to answer a question. Do you even understand what I am talking about?

 

[selahsays]

Wow aren't you getting snarky. A little out of character for you.

You know the answers to your question because you know where I stand. So what's the point? I will say this: If God placed the Elect in Christ before the foundation of the world, then how would the elect individual frustrate His Grace. Do you think a person has the ability to undo what God has done?

The Father put His Elect in Christ.... you will become a believer. Otherwise, God is not God. Simple.

Thank you!!!

 

[Magenta]

Anyone who comes to Christ is Elect.

Does this not contradict what you said before about some not being elect but choosing to believe any way?

Just trying to understand your point of view...

 

[Niki7]

Unfortunately, I dismissed it which means that I designated it to the lake of fire, with no intention of to putting anymore energy, or life, into the notion. And my only regret now is that it might've helped you in some way, though I'm sure it's utility would be the same as learning of the Mormon concept of spirit babies. Perhaps the ideas somehow related.

haha...I have a regular library between the ears and might have just added that book under 'science fiction'

no worries. I am not sure that is going on here tho....but I am sure that has already popped up somewhere in time or we may have something to look forward to

really thanks so much for the effort!

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Knowing what we need and me deciding correctly are not even anywhere close to being the same concept or thing.

yes it is he knows what you need before you need it so he can give you the right choice before hand

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The Father chose we are saved through Christ.
But nothing mentions about Election in Ephesians.

 

[selahsays]

Does this not contradict what you said before about some not being elect but choosing to believe any way?

Just trying to understand your point of view...

No it does not contradict what I’ve said. If you come to Christ you are elect. Not all will come!

 

[Niki7]

I don’t need articles. I don’t trust them… but I do trust the Word of God.

it was Bible based...you know with verses and that kind of stuff. Bible stuff.....and you would know that if you had taken the time so don't go dissing what you never even checked out

honest to Pete