The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
- Thread starter unobtrusive
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Principalities and powers are in the second heaven Dcon. There are territorial strongholds of wickedness in places where the darkness is welcomed here on earth.
I'm sorry if I cheat sometimes and abbreviate words, but it hurts my arms and hands to type, so I have to say, dest of Jeru, instead of destruction of Jerusalem. Or resur. instead of resurrection.
Thanks, sorry.
A new kingdom rule takes place...the lamb that was slain is on the throne...he rules in the midst of his enemies....
Psalm 110King James Version (KJV)
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
Heb12
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Sorry, I'm sure you get this all the time, but, are you related to Leela from Futurama?
I mean, there is a striking resemblance.
Son of Leela, perhaps?
so you believe the sign of Jewish theocracy is son became black, moon become like blood and star fell in to earth?
Leela?
Everyone thinks she's sooo hot...
but up close she looks like 20 miles of bad time-travel.
What do other passages in the Bible say those things mean? That's likely a good answer to the question.
Hello Jackson,
Sun , moon, and stars are often used to speak of rulers...like here with Joseph; gen37
5 And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brethren: and they hated him yet the more.
6 And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me
Last edited:
lk21;
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Please think about this.
At the time that the Rev was written, there was only the OT.
The NT is letters to people that had not been assembled yet.
---
The little scroll/book is seen in Dan. 12:4-7, and can only be opened after Jerusalem is destroyed (power of the holy people scattered, v 7)
---
What the little scroll says is revealed after the sixth trumpet. It is the story of the 2 witnesses.
It tells the story of Israel (natural branches), from the dest of Jeru in 70 AD, until the 7th/last trumpet and final resurrection.
will look. I've never really started end time teachings, but have attempted many times. I thought it was impossible. Be back..looking at Daniel
No,,,Daniel's 70th week is in Daniel 9:27. V.25 is the 69 weeks which ended when Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
v.26 tells us that after 69 weeks, Jesus died not for himself but for us. This was fulfilled.
The next part, breaking the verse 26 down," ............and the people of the prince that shall come........".
Who were the people of the Prince? Who was the Prince that SHALL (future)come.
The Prince was Titus Vespasian, general of the Roman Army surrounding Jerusalem in 70AD. Because His Father had became the Ceasar of Rome, he became a Prince.
Ok who were the People of the Prince. Romans of Course...BUT it was the Eastern Romans that were the people of General Titus Flavius Vaspasian. (The western part of Rome had already dissolved). The reason this was in this verse becomes apparent in v.27
The next part of the verse: "..........shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;......."
The rest of this verse tells of 70 AD and the destruction of the city and sanctuary by General Titus Vaspasian.
The last parts of this verse: "......and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
Earlier, the Jewish population had rebelled against Rome.. The ending tells us that the sheer size of the Roman Army (as to a flood) would end the war with all being in desolate. (the city and sanctuary being destroyed,Empty, Barren, etc.)
v. 27.....commentary.... "HE" pertains to the Antichrist, sets up the Daniel's 70th week and sets up the Great Tribulation (as described by Jesus in Matt. 24.
I looked at the ISV because it's said to be the most accurate. It doesn't say little scroll, just scroll.
But, this scripture stood out to me.
Dan 12:7 "I heard the man dressed in linen clothes, who was standing above the waters of the river as he lifted his right and left hands to heaven and swore by the one who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and a half. When the shattering of the power of the holy people has occurred, all these things will conclude."
This had happened to them, until 1948.
But, this scripture stood out to me.
Dan 12:7 "I heard the man dressed in linen clothes, who was standing above the waters of the river as he lifted his right and left hands to heaven and swore by the one who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and a half. When the shattering of the power of the holy people has occurred, all these things will conclude."
This had happened to them, until 1948.
You have understood this correctly, I am amazed because few people do.
You have understood the basic time frame of the 7 times.
The first, 3 1/2 times, is from Babylon until 70 AD.
The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD., until Israel is restored to military control of Jerusalem.
Together they make a complete 7 times.
The 7 times are the same time as the statue of the gentile nations that rule over Israel (people) Dan. 2, until they are restored to Jerusalem, 1967.
---
The angel states that everything in the last vision will be completed by 70 AD.
Then the scroll book can be opened, it is opened by Jesus in the Rev.
Look at this in the ISV
an 9:24 Seventy weeks have been decreed concerning your people and your holy city: to restrain transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for lawlessness, to establish everlasting righteousness, to conclude vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
Dan 9:25 So be informed and discern that seven weeks and 62 weeks will elapse from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed commander. The street will be rebuilt, along with the wall, though in troubled times.
Dan 9:26 Then after the 62 weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and will have no successor. Then the people of the coming commander will destroy both the city and the Sanctuary. Its ending will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war, with desolations having been decreed.
Dan 9:27 He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will pause both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
an 9:24 Seventy weeks have been decreed concerning your people and your holy city: to restrain transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for lawlessness, to establish everlasting righteousness, to conclude vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
Dan 9:25 So be informed and discern that seven weeks and 62 weeks will elapse from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed commander. The street will be rebuilt, along with the wall, though in troubled times.
Dan 9:26 Then after the 62 weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and will have no successor. Then the people of the coming commander will destroy both the city and the Sanctuary. Its ending will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war, with desolations having been decreed.
Dan 9:27 He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will pause both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator.'"
Actually brother, you are revealing this to me. I just saw simply that from the time of the destruction of the city, and temple, the people were being destroyed, until the restoration of being announced once again as Israel, and accepted with the nations.
So thank you.