The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 3:14 PM

“You need to just answer and not post so many Bible verses.”

lol yeah let’s just argue our opinions and leave that Bible out of it ……it’s a discussion forum about the Bible .

“Our sins were forgiven when Jeus said it is finished.”

he died for everyone’s sins

“: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭

then he sent the gospel out to all people and said

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

aim not going to reject Jesus in order to agree with you or anyone else . Jesus said that brother why would you then take the position “ bah humbug! With baptism “

You might be better to argue with others. I always try to show what I’m saying in scriptire because again I’m jere about what the Bible actually does say and teach

Wansvic · Sunday at 3:14 PM

Cameron143 said:

I never said he didn't receive revelation of who Jesus was. What I said was, it was after this occurred that Jesus told Peter that when he was converted (future tense) to strengthen the brethren.

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 3:15 PM

Wansvic said:

Jesus revealed obedience is essential for salvation:

John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, (Clearly they were already believers of Jesus) If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus said:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; (clearly they too were already believers of Jesus)
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Matt 7:22-25

Whereas,
...every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matt 7:26-27

Heb 5:8-9
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Nice try but I predict a deflective response and long explaination of why that isn’t true or complete misdirection

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:15 PM

Wansvic said:

So when someone has Christ revealed to them by the Father, eternal life according to John 17:3, they possess eternal life but aren't saved? That sounds right to you?

You still haven't dealt with the fact that you have people who are hostile to God, who do no good, and who possess no righteousness obeying God previous to God acting upon them. How is that possible?

BillG · Sunday at 3:20 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

Listen my brother.
My response is not from emotions.
You say I'm not responding to anyones showing you in scripture.
I am, please read me previous posts to others.

On this thread there is no harmony between what Jesus said in Matthew and what Peter said in Acts?

Do you agree.

You are my brother in Christ along with many others here.
But I sense you and people like @Ouch @Wansvic @Lamar do not consider me and many others on here as brothers and sisters in Christ.

I am happy with my status in Jesus.
I believe who he his, I believe he died and rose again, I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and just want to be like him.

Anyway byby

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:21 PM

Wansvic said:

Are you referring to when Jesus told Peter of his impending denial? The word converted used their is not salvation, but restoration. Which fits perfectly with Jesus' later words to Peter...feed my sheep. Notice, this came before Pentecost, and Peter was restored; not converted or saved.

BillG · Sunday at 3:22 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

“You need to just answer and not post so many Bible verses.”

lol yeah let’s just argue our opinions and leave that Bible out of it ……it’s a discussion forum about the Bible .

“Our sins were forgiven when Jeus said it is finished.”

he died for everyone’s sins

“: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭

then he sent the gospel out to all people and said

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

aim not going to reject Jesus in order to agree with you or anyone else . Jesus said that brother why would you then take the position “ bah humbug! With baptism “

You might be better to argue with others. I always try to show what I’m saying in scriptire because again I’m jere about what the Bible actually does say and teach

Ok

Ouch · Sunday at 3:25 PM

BillG said:

The question is do we obey his word or not.
Peoples opinion doesn't matter.
In every recorded act of being baptized, how do JESUS disciples tell us to be baptized?
We will be judged BY HIS WORD not men's opinion.

BillG · Sunday at 3:26 PM

Ouch said:

Yep yet we differ.
That's ok.

I obeyed what Jesus said.

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:28 PM

Wansvic said:

Jesus revealed obedience is essential for salvation:

John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, (Clearly they were already believers of Jesus) If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus said:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; (clearly they too were already believers of Jesus)
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Matt 7:22-25

Whereas,
...every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matt 7:26-27

Heb 5:8-9
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

How does someone obey God who is hostile to Him, does no good, and possesses no righteousness, unless God first convert them?
You have sinners acting righteously. That does not happen apart from a work of God.

Wansvic · Sunday at 3:29 PM

Cameron143 said:

You stated Peter had already met the requirement to be born again when He received the revelation from the Father. Not so. was my response.

I further clarified that Jesus spoke to Peter afterward and told him to strengthen the brethren when he himself was converted indicating the experience had not yet happened.

BillG · Sunday at 3:31 PM

Luke 7:47-50
47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

Wansvic · Sunday at 3:32 PM

DeanM said:

Rightly dividing the word of truth clears up this misconception.

The NT command to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin is required of those who accept the death, burial AND RESURRECTION of Jesus.

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:35 PM

Wansvic said:

And I showed you that converted there did not mean salvation but reconciliation. I went on to show where that reconciliation took place, and that it preceded Pentecost.
Peter certainly filled the requirement of salvation because he possessed eternal life. That, according to John 17:3, is knowing God and knowing Christ.

Ouch · Sunday at 3:40 PM

BillG said:

AMEN,
But ALL of his word needs to mesh together like a big puzzle.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

You see, if one considers JESUS to be GOD then in Matthew when it says "IN THE NAME OF" (JESUS NAME) the father, the son and the Holy Ghost THEN it is a peice that fits in with the of the rest of HIS word.

We can also see THAT, in JESUS name is how HIS DISCIPLES told us to get baptized. IT ALL FITS.

If you don't then the piece your trying to make fit being baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE.

Look just before he Matthew, 28:19 Where JESUS reveals who he really is, AND HIS DISCIPLES KNOW IT.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

HE HAS ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH.

I'm just in the seed business, it's GOD who gives the increase.

ALL IN LOVE.

Wansvic · Sunday at 3:47 PM

Cameron143 said:

The NT rebirth/conversion comes about as God dictated. The choice is whether to accept or reject WHAT IS WRITTEN. Those who do so place their trust in Jesus acknowledging His sacrifice, repenting, being baptized in water in the name of Jesus for remission of sins and receive the Holy Ghost as well. The rebirth experience is the foundation that must be laid. And as Paul indicated salvation is a journey:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1 Cor. 9:27

BillG · Sunday at 3:51 PM

Ouch said:

How do you reconcile this to the above that you say?

Luke 7:47-50
47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

I am not trying to fit or and anything to what Jesus said.
It is interesting that you say

Ouch said:

You have added JESUS NAME.
Yet if memory serves me you have agreed that Jesus himself never said to be baptised in his name only.
That confuses me.
Now if you have added that then baptism per what Jesus said is in his name, Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
Is it about the name or the authority of the title (per what you believe, he title on!y)

God bless you.

Cameron143 · Sunday at 3:52 PM

Wansvic said:

Paul wrote that well after having been converted. And he wrote it as an exhortation to those who are saved to continue in holiness. It has nothing to do with conversion.

STILL...you have failed to relate how someone opposed and hostile towards God, who does no good, and who possesses no righteousness, suddenly turns to God. Can you?

Ouch · Sunday at 3:55 PM

BillG said:

It's all good, when JESUS was on this earth he had the power to forgive sins. That is why we are told to do EVERYTHING in his name..... Wonder why so many churches do EVERYTHING in JESUS wonderful name EXCEPT BAPTISM? NOTHING LIVES WITHOUT WATER.

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 3:56 PM

BillG said:

“On this thread there is no harmony between what Jesus said in Matthew and what Peter said in Acts?

Do you agree.”

not at all no brother I believe it’s as harmonious as a spring time butterfly floating through the meadow on a sunny day in the morn

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Which part doesn’t harmonize to you there’s one name shown in Matthew and one in acts the same name Jesus

I’m not understanding how it doesn’t harmonize it all does look consider Luke’s version of the commission also

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭

we’ve gotten to the point Christian’s have no clue what baptism is even done for who’s name it’s done in or what it’s about which is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ who died to remit our sins . But it’s because we want to get ways from what the word teaches about it

notice in the whole new testement there’s not a single account of anyone baptizing anyone else in any name but Jesus ?

It’s because he died for our sins that’s the only one who’s ever suffered and died to remit mans sin that’s why it’s his name only for remission of sins. We have no other atonement in all creation but Jesus

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