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I asked you " to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit is that what Jesus gave when he breathed on them in
John 20:22 or in
Acts 2:38?"
you said :
"yeah that’s why Jesus told them to wait until they received the holy spirit that he had preached to them in the gospel that they would receive later at pentocost … "
When Jesus appeared to them and said in John 20:21-22
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
In the Gospel of Luke chapter 24:36-39; 44-49
6 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry (wait)in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
Jesus, in both John and Luke, says something significant concerning the Holy Spirit. Many did not think it was done or happened until the day of Pentacost in Acts chapter 2.
In John chapter 20, Jesus, as resurrected Lord, said to the disciples, "Peace be unto you" and Breathed on them. In Greek, this "Breated" is
emphysaō to blow or breathe upon, which is translated into the meaning
pneuma, which is the Holy Spirit contextually.
The effect of this The Gospel of Luke says Jesus opened up their understanding of the scriptures. Luke 24:45
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Because they were able to comprehend the Scriptures concerning The Lord Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is a Gospel message, They had to have the Help of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said, and the Scriptures confirmed as Jesus breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit "Pneuma" and after doing this, their understanding was open they had the Holy Spirit. That is what the text states.
Jesus said very clearly that the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit was to give them the ability to be a witness of the Resurrected Lord.
Acts 1:8
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
right john told them they would receive the holt ghost from Jesus after he ascended to Gods right hand .
Im sorry but this doesn’t say anyone received anything
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.””
this says
they received the Holy Ghost not us them who Jesus had told to wait for it
“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:3-4
That’s when Jesus poured out and tbey received the promise of the holy ghost
Peter literally says what’s happened
“But
this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:”
Acts 2:16-17 KJV
That’s when they receives the promise Jesus made them of the holt ghost
but you’ve totally missed the point that’s what the apostles were told to do who walked with Jesus and were his chosen witnesses he told them this
“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:4-5 KJV
again showing when the holt ghost actually came upon them
“But ye shall receive power,
after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Acts 1:8 KJV
then he did this
“And when he had spoken these things, while they
beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
Acts 1:9 KJV
then they the apostles received the spirit at pentocost
but your entire point is flawed because they the apostles were told to go preach Jesus to e dry one and baptize then in his name
the church was never told to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Ghost we are told to believe the gospel and we’ll receive it we aren’t the chosen apostles hey we’re who immediately began this doctrine
This is for the church the apostles already had received the promise of the spirit Jesus made them just moments before at pentocost
This is for everyone
“Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
You’re trying to make everyone into the apostles who were chosen and sent by Jesus to preach and baotize and that’s what they did .
a Jesus telling them to receive the spirit isnt when it haooened ot haooened when it says after Jesus ascended to gods right hand and was glorified
“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Acts 2:32-33 KJV
No one received the spirit of Christ u til he purée it out from zgods right hand
like he promised them in the gospel
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for
if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
John 16:7 KJV
He did that just like he said after he ascended to Gods right hand again like it clearly says that promise was fulfilled at pentocost
“and, being assembled together with them,
commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but
ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:4-5 KJV
It happened a few days later at pentocost
“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:3-4 KJV
Bit that’s not a command to the church it was a promise he made them and they extended through the doctrine they taught of baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ……and extended also the promise of the Holy Ghost to all .
