The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Lamar

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You are a dishonest person. Salvation occurs or should have occurred before one is baptized in water. If not, then you don't know why you were baptized or into whom you were baptized. Romans 6 states that clearly. Jesus saves, not water baptism.
I will not bow down to the modern day altar of faith alone regeneration theology.



Those that push this theology are the present day Pharisees, equating their theology with circumcision.

"Accept that the remission of sins happens at some moment of faith or your faith is not real.

"Ignore the many verses that speak of baptism as being part of the Gospel of Christ and cling only to the generalities that speak of the need for faith."

The acceptance of faith alone regeneration theology is not a litmus test for the remission of sins.

Faith alone is surmised and you will not admit it. It could be true but it is inferred at best.
 

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I will not bow down to the modern day altar of faith alone regeneration theology.



Those that push this theology are the present day Pharisees, equating their theology with circumcision.

"Accept that the remission of sins happens at some moment of faith or your faith is not real.

"Ignore the many verses that speak of baptism as being part of the Gospel of Christ and cling only to the generalities that speak of the need for faith."

The acceptance of faith alone regeneration theology is not a litmus test for the remission of sins.

Faith alone is surmised and you will not admit it. It could be true but it is inferred at best.
 

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All sins were paid for at the cross. When Jesus presented His blood in heaven and it was accepted by the Father, those for whom Jesus shed His blood have eternal life secured by Him. The point at which a person comes to faith is merely the point in time and space this becomes known to him or her. There is no other point in time when sins were paid for.
 

Lamar

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When Jesus presented His blood in heaven and it was accepted by the Father, those for whom Jesus shed His blood have eternal life secured by Him.
Are you one of those selected by God or one of the non-selected?

It's one or the other. I will wait for your answer.
 

Cameron143

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Are you one of those selected by God or one of the non-selected?

It's one or the other. I will wait for your answer.
My name was written in the book of life before the foundation of the world.

Your choice of selection and not the biblical word election is part of the reason you don't understand the outworking of salvation.
 

CS1

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Are you one of those selected by God or one of the non-selected?

It's one or the other. I will wait for your answer.
How is he to know if he is selected? As you stated before, all he would need to do is water baptism in Jesus' name; you're good. then you ask a qestion of knowing?
 

Lamar

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My name was written in the book of life before the foundation of the world.
Arrogance but honest.
our choice of selection and not the biblical word election is part of the reason you don't understand the outworking of salvation.
Okay how about this.

Are you among the selected for election or one of the non-selected for election?
 

Cameron143

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Arrogance but honest.

Okay how about this.

Are you among the selected for election or one of the non-selected for election?
It's not arrogance. It is simply what eternal life is...being in relationship with God. It makes me wonder if you actually experience the reality of knowing God. You are preoccupied with checking all the boxes of things you believe are required to be redeemed, and seem little concerned to spend time in the presence of the One who redeems.

I wasn't selected from a group of people. I was chosen independently of all other people. God didn't choose between me and another. He simply set His affection on me. I didn't earn it. I'm not more special than anyone else. God made the choice, not me. I wasn't even looking for God when He came. But I'm certainly glad He sought me, bought me, and made me His own.
 

CS1

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Did you just do what I think you did on post# 970?

Please tell me you did not do this.

970 :
Context to Ouch's post :

My response to him was :

"You added to the word of God.


if it is symbolic, then the action had to be done another way through Jesus, not the work of baptism.


Dead men don't obey; you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism A discussion to be baptized was made after one has been saved and made alive by the Spirit Saved by Grace through faith not of works. "
 
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We are to study the word of God to ascertain whether something is true or not. Not reject something the bible clearly teaches because of some denominational bias. Every single person will be judged by the bible not one's denomination manual.
Yes, and GW clearly teaches that the basis of divine judgment for those who have the NT is acceptance or rejection of the Gospel: Believe on the Lord Jesus as Messiah. (Acts 16:30-31, Eph. 2:8-10, etc.) See the Kerygma thread for more details.
 
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I asked you " to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit is that what Jesus gave when he breathed on them in John 20:22 or in Acts 2:38?"

you said :

"yeah that’s why Jesus told them to wait until they received the holy spirit that he had preached to them in the gospel that they would receive later at pentocost … "



When Jesus appeared to them and said in John 20:21-22

“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”


In the Gospel of Luke chapter 24:36-39; 44-49


6 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.



46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And you are witnesses of these things.

49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry (wait)in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

Jesus, in both John and Luke, says something significant concerning the Holy Spirit. Many did not think it was done or happened until the day of Pentacost in Acts chapter 2.


In John chapter 20, Jesus, as resurrected Lord, said to the disciples, "Peace be unto you" and Breathed on them. In Greek, this "Breated" is emphysaō to blow or breathe upon, which is translated into the meaning pneuma, which is the Holy Spirit contextually.

The effect of this The Gospel of Luke says Jesus opened up their understanding of the scriptures. Luke 24:45

45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Because they were able to comprehend the Scriptures concerning The Lord Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is a Gospel message, They had to have the Help of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said, and the Scriptures confirmed as Jesus breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit "Pneuma" and after doing this, their understanding was open they had the Holy Spirit. That is what the text states.

Jesus said very clearly that the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit was to give them the ability to be a witness of the Resurrected Lord.

Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
right john told them they would receive the holt ghost from Jesus after he ascended to Gods right hand .

Im sorry but this doesn’t say anyone received anything

“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.””

this says they received the Holy Ghost not us them who Jesus had told to wait for it

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

That’s when Jesus poured out and tbey received the promise of the holy ghost

Peter literally says what’s happened

“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s when they receives the promise Jesus made them of the holt ghost

but you’ve totally missed the point that’s what the apostles were told to do who walked with Jesus and were his chosen witnesses he told them this

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again showing when the holt ghost actually came upon them

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he did this

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then they the apostles received the spirit at pentocost

but your entire point is flawed because they the apostles were told to go preach Jesus to e dry one and baptize then in his name the church was never told to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Ghost we are told to believe the gospel and we’ll receive it we aren’t the chosen apostles hey we’re who immediately began this doctrine

This is for the church the apostles already had received the promise of the spirit Jesus made them just moments before at pentocost

This is for everyone

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You’re trying to make everyone into the apostles who were chosen and sent by Jesus to preach and baotize and that’s what they did .

a Jesus telling them to receive the spirit isnt when it haooened ot haooened when it says after Jesus ascended to gods right hand and was glorified

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

No one received the spirit of Christ u til he purée it out from zgods right hand like he promised them in the gospel

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He did that just like he said after he ascended to Gods right hand again like it clearly says that promise was fulfilled at pentocost

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It happened a few days later at pentocost

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit that’s not a command to the church it was a promise he made them and they extended through the doctrine they taught of baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ……and extended also the promise of the Holy Ghost to all .
 

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Google isnt doing the writing on the links by the way. Amazing how the "scholars" here are so ignorant of what different religions teach. Or pretend they are. I like knowing all kinds of things. Then maybe know what im talking about if a subject comes up..
You are missing the point.
 

Wansvic

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So when Jesus said He prayed to the Father, was there no Father? Did he pray to Himself?
Jesus' humanity interacted with His divinity. The Jews attempted to kill Jesus for saying He and the Father were one.

"I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:30-33

"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Tim. 3:16
 

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Yes, and GW clearly teaches that the basis of divine judgment for those who have the NT is acceptance or rejection of the Gospel: Believe on the Lord Jesus as Messiah. (Acts 16:30-31, Eph. 2:8-10, etc.) See the Kerygma thread for more details.
Yes, and the gospel includes what is outlined in the very first message presented during Pentecost in Jerusalem. (Acts 2:2-42) Those who believed in Jesus accepted His message acted in faith and received what was promised.
 
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I will not bow down to the modern day altar of faith alone regeneration theology.



Those that push this theology are the present day Pharisees, equating their theology with circumcision.

"Accept that the remission of sins happens at some moment of faith or your faith is not real.

"Ignore the many verses that speak of baptism as being part of the Gospel of Christ and cling only to the generalities that speak of the need for faith."

The acceptance of faith alone regeneration theology is not a litmus test for the remission of sins.

Faith alone is surmised and you will not admit it. It could be true but it is inferred at best.
You continue to mock salvation through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE regeneration theology (Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) which demonstrates that you do not trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and instead, trust in works for salvation (with a heavy emphasis on water baptism). You may continue to bow down to the water god if you so wish but as for myself and other believers, we will continue to bow down to the Savior God. (John 3:16-18; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12)
 

Wansvic

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Does the bible teach Oneness doctrine?
If you really care to know whether any denomination's beliefs are true or not open your bible and find out. According to Jesus, it is those who hunger and thirst after righteousness that will be filled.
 

Wansvic

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I've always loved this verse because it speaks about the same entity of God being in Heaven and on Earth at same time proving both Omnipresence and the ability to be 2 persons at the same time.

Genesis 19:
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
And this as well. Jesus speaking with Nicodemus said:
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13
 

Wansvic

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Here are your issues: you must explain how they had the Holy Spirt given to them in John 20:22, which opened their understanding of Christ in Luke 24:49, Yet did not have the Holy Spirit until Acts chapter 2, When Jesus said in the Gospel of John chapter 14 the Holy Spirit would be with you and in and come upon you.
You have been shown what that scripture actually says many times, yet refuse to share the truth! Why?

John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (currently dwells with you-meaning the Spirit of Jesus) and shall be in you. (an experience yet to come)