The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[SomeDisciple]

Im curious what you mean by vicarious baptisms ?

Okay; so, a "vicarious baptism" would be someone getting baptized in someone else's place.

Certain people assert that "those baptized for the dead" means they were trying to baptize dead people "vicariously" by being baptized "for" them.

There is no way that Paul would point out that people were doing something like this without correcting it.

People that teach water-baptismal-regeneration like the idea that vicarious baptism happened, (even if it is wrong) because people would not do something like that unless they believed in water-baptismal regeneration in the first place.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Please expand.

I add this to My statement on Baptism.
There are two kinds of baptism. First, there is water baptism which John The Baptist practiced. After Jesus cane into Isreal, water baptism WAS SET ASIDE, AND BAPTISM BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS USHERED IN.
Yet Today, many still practice water baptism, when They should not! When doing That, One sets aside the Holy Spirit and used natural water in Its' place!
I desire to follow The Spirit, not man!

DeepSeeker

 

[Wansvic]

No he didn't. Think about how stupid that is. He spent half the letter correcting everything they were doing wrong; only to glaze over that kind of malpractice? That's ridiculous, and you know it is.

O-P's stole baptismal regeneration doctrine from Tertulllian- and when they did, they also took his wrong explanation of that verse from chapter 15.

Paul was making a point. He questions why people are getting baptized for the dead if they don't believe the dead will be resurrected.

Even though baptism for the dead is not biblical it speaks to the fact that born again believers realized their own water baptism played a part in their spiritual rebirth. As such, it is reasonable to conclude they were doing it in hopes of changing the fate of relatives or friends who had not obeyed the command themselves before meeting their demise.

Clearly, repentance and water baptism hold no significance without belief in Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection. Jesus’ sacrifice is what makes the NT spiritual rebirth possible at all. Even though Jesus died for the sins of all humanity, not all will have their personal sins washed away. It is through one's belief and obedience to God's plan of salvation that all are given the opportunity to become born again children of God.

 

[Wansvic]

The apostle Paul, who was sent to The Gentiles to preach to Them, did not water baptize. So why do churches Today do that?
Is it water, or is it The Spirt of God that spiritually baptized One? Paul did not water Baptize; then why do people do that Today?
I think It's a show!
Deepseeker

You are mistaken. In Acts 19 it's recorded that Paul baptized 12 men and then stayed in the area for two years teaching both Jews and Gentiles. (verses 5-10)

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

 

[Wansvic]

I add this to My statement on Baptism.
There are two kinds of baptism. First, there is water baptism which John The Baptist practiced. After Jesus cane into Isreal, water baptism WAS SET ASIDE, AND BAPTISM BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD WAS USHERED IN.
Yet Today, many still practice water baptism, when They should not! When doing That, One sets aside the Holy Spirit and used natural water in Its' place!
I desire to follow The Spirit, not man!

DeepSeeker

The NT establishes both obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost are required as revealed at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4, 38-42) And confirmed in the detailed accounts related to all groups of humanity. (Acts 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)

 

[tablet123]

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans baptized in the name of Jesus.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Whatever we do in word or deed is to be done in Jesus' name.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles.

And it is name singular.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Jesus created all things.

He came in flesh.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

He dwells in us.

 

[tablet123]

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Why were Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans baptized in the name of Jesus.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Whatever we do in word or deed is to be done in Jesus' name.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles.

And it is name singular.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Jesus created all things.

He came in flesh.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

He dwells in us.

 

[SomeDisciple]

As such, it is reasonable to conclude they were doing it in hopes of changing the fate of relatives or friends who had not obeyed the command themselves before meeting their demise.

I know it seems reasonable, that's why Tertullian; being a lawyer, came to that conclusion. But what is not reasonable, is that Paul would write an epistle that lays down the church "traditions/ordinances" and not tell people who are doing this that they are wrong and need to stop.

What Paul is really questioning is the motives of "Christians" who do not actually believe in the resurrection. What he is doing is showing them the fork-in-the-road. Saying there is no resurrection is not some trivial wobble in faith: if people are saying this their faith is gone. As Paul said it is shameful to have this in the church.

 

[Wansvic]

I know it seems reasonable, that's why Tertullian; being a lawyer, came to that conclusion. But what is not reasonable, is that Paul would write an epistle that lays down the church "traditions/ordinances" and not tell people who are doing this that they are wrong and need to stop.

What Paul is really questioning is the motives of "Christians" who do not actually believe in the resurrection. What he is doing is showing them the fork-in-the-road. Saying there is no resurrection is not some trivial wobble in faith: if people are saying this their faith is gone. As Paul said it is shameful to have this in the church.

The entire post expresses that people understood sins were remitted upon obedience to water baptism:
Paul was making a point. He questions why people are getting baptized for the dead if they don't believe the dead will be resurrected.

Even though baptism for the dead is not biblical it speaks to the fact that born again believers realized their own water baptism played a part in their spiritual rebirth. As such, it is reasonable to conclude they were doing it in hopes of changing the fate of relatives or friends who had not obeyed the command themselves before meeting their demise.

Clearly, repentance and water baptism hold no significance without belief in Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection. Jesus’ sacrifice is what makes the NT spiritual rebirth possible at all. Even though Jesus died for the sins of all humanity, not all will have their personal sins washed away. It is through one's belief and obedience to God's plan of salvation that all are given the opportunity to become born again children of God.