The essence of Reformed theology.

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phil36 said:
The Essence of Reformed Theology- John Piper & C.H. Spurgeon - YouTube

I tried to embed the video, but again..i cant do it lol.




This isn't for an argument, but hopefully will actually help those understand what the reformed faith is..and not the typical knee jerk reaction.

link: The Essence of Reformed Theology- John Piper & C.H. Spurgeon - YouTube
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Unfortunately, a purely biblical look at reformed theology finds it's anti biblical. And I belong in the reformed caste. sigh.
 
monergism! :)

Phil, Piper references the "new Calvinism".
what are your thoughts on that?
 
psychomom said:
monergism! :)

Phil, Piper references the "new Calvinism".
what are your thoughts on that?
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Well.. that's a good question. You could say 'Piper' himself is in this bracket. on the on hand it could be desciribed s an explosion of young men and women seeing the doctrines of grace as truth. or that the 'new' Calvinists are continuists and missional centered.

Some traditionalists don' like the 'new' emphasis on mission.. and it is only some (a minority). Most of the critiques are non reformed who just don't like the fact that more and more young people are in fact seeing the truth in reformed theology. Plus you have to remember that many traditional reformed are into pedo baptism and most 'new' are Baptists in orientation.

But back to the question what are my views? do I have to answer lol?

Its easy enough to answer - I don't mind. You have to remember these guys weren't the first.
 
phil36 said:
Well.. that's a good question. You could say 'Piper' himself is in this bracket. on the on hand it could be desciribed s an explosion of young men and women seeing the doctrines of grace as truth. or that the 'new' Calvinists are continuists and missional centered.

Some traditionalists don' like the 'new' emphasis on mission.. and it is only some (a minority). Most of the critiques are non reformed who just don't like the fact that more and more young people are in fact seeing the truth in reformed theology. Plus you have to remember that many traditional reformed are into pedo baptism and most 'new' are Baptists in orientation.

But back to the question what are my views? do I have to answer lol?

Its easy enough to answer - I don't mind. You have to remember these guys weren't the first.
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I'm sorry, Phil...didn't mean to put you on the hot seat. :)

I'd never heard of it till I listened to a sermon against it at Sermon Audio.
The speaker was very 'traditional reformed theology' oriented.
Protestantism as in Puritan times.
I got the impression he feels most of this new Calvinism is like seeker sensitive type churches.

Appreciate your response! Basically I'm looking for info on it. (you really helped with that!)
Don't like to just take one pastor's word for anything without checking it out for myself.
Oh, yeah...and what does the Bible say about it?? lol

~ellie
 
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psychomom said:
I'm sorry, Phil...didn't mean to put you on the hot seat. :)

I'd never heard of it till I listened to a sermon against it at Sermon Audio.
The speaker was very 'traditional reformed theology' oriented.
Protestantism as in Puritan times.
I got the impression he feels most of this new Calvinism is like seeker sensitive type churches.

Appreciate your response! Basically I'm looking for info on it. (you really helped with that!)
Don't like to just take one pastor's word for anything without checking it out for myself.
Oh, yeah...and what does the Bible say about it?? lol

~ellie
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Hi ellie,

Heres a well balanced view on what is called 'new' Calvinism.. Hope it helps.

What is the “New Calvinism”? . . . And Are You a Part of It? | Parchment and Pen
 
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phil36 said:

This isn't for an argument, but hopefully will actually help those understand what the reformed faith is..and not the typical knee jerk reaction.

link: The Essence of Reformed Theology- John Piper & C.H. Spurgeon - YouTube
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Saying "this isn't for an argument" is welcoming positive comments while censoring the negative ones. It's basically like stating "I think my views should be exempt from criticism"... and if you don't think that opinions that you disagree with should have that exemption, then you ought not to hold such a double standard by asking for this from your own views.
 
Hi starcrash,

not at al, I was actually referring to my intention of posting, not others.

You are very welcome to comment on the video.
 
Hello, I found this place under "Reformed" Christian Chat... been chatting for a few days, only to be told my being reformed is a terrible heresey. The beating went on to the point where I will not chat here again. it was hurtful. Heads up that if reformed peep are unwelcomed in the chat room, maybe let future innocents know before they get hurt and discouraged.
 
LadyAZ said:
Hello, I found this place under "Reformed" Christian Chat... been chatting for a few days, only to be told my being reformed is a terrible heresey. The beating went on to the point where I will not chat here again. it was hurtful. Heads up that if reformed peep are unwelcomed in the chat room, maybe let future innocents know before they get hurt and discouraged.
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It is amazing how people demonize Calvinism, I have a friend that says it's origins are in gnosticism and that it's not Biblical. But it really makes me wonder when people get up in arms about it. I remember when I was against it. I really don't like the name Calvinism because Calvin isn't the author of it, God is. The Bible is full of God choosing people, nations for His plan to go forward. Man never has anything to do with it. Abram was an idolator when God called him out of his fathers house and the land of Ur.

Out of all the doctrines in the Bible, it is the over riding factor in the word of God.

It was doing a study on the 10 commandments, sin and the holiness of God, that brought me to the doctrines of grace. I don't understand how a person can say they are saved by grace, yet believe that it's their faith as the reason God chose them, grace is God's unmerited favor. If it is by faith, it's not by grace, which disqualifies it as a gift, it would be payment. Romans 4:4 "Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due." If you do anything for something it's not a gift, even if it's one penny or a jumping jack, what is received is a payment for the object or act.

The idea of God choosing people for His will, by His will, for His good pleasure. Can really make the self righteous up set, because that would make their righteousness as filthy rags before God, which it is, yet they want to hang on to it and wave those rags around like a badge of honor. The idea of God being responsible for their salvation makes them madder than heck. We don't even love God because of ourselves, it's because He first loved us 1 John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."
 
Thanks Johnny_B. When groups call themselves 'reformed' is it because of the scripture in Hebrews about the time of reformation?

"Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." ?

To me, the term 'election' seems to get at what is being said a bit better than 'reformation'. This verse from Romans seems to get at the idea being presented about election in some ways: "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)"

'Election' seems to be a concept that can be understood as about the same as the ideas in the video.

The verse about 'reformation' seems to be emphasizing more the changing from a physical ritual kind of system to the actual grace covenant. I guess in a certain sense this could be seen as highlighting the difference between a works-based salvation and a God-determined salvation, so it might be an OK term to use. Anyway, can you tell me where the group gets the name "reformed" from?
 
birdie said:
Thanks Johnny_B. When groups call themselves 'reformed' is it because of the scripture in Hebrews about the time of reformation?

"Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." ?

To me, the term 'election' seems to get at what is being said a bit better than 'reformation'. This verse from Romans seems to get at the idea being presented about election in some ways: "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)"

'Election' seems to be a concept that can be understood as about the same as the ideas in the video.

The verse about 'reformation' seems to be emphasizing more the changing from a physical ritual kind of system to the actual grace covenant. I guess in a certain sense this could be seen as highlighting the difference between a works-based salvation and a God-determined salvation, so it might be an OK term to use. Anyway, can you tell me where the group gets the name "reformed" from?
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No I can't, I guess it's because they were changing and improving what was being taught at the time, which was catholicism. I think that's where I have a bit of a problem with Calvinism, it seems that there are still some remnants of the catholic church in it. The infant baptism is one of them, the idea that the sacraments are a secondary grace. Those things are something I have a hard time with. I don't consider myself to be a Calvinist or Reformed, I believe I'm more of an ana-baptist, but I need to do more research on them before I can truly say I identify with any group.

I just consider myself a Christian that believes the Bible, that God saves man for His good purpose, because of His will, by His grace, so that election will stand. Once God has freed man's will through being born again, man cooperates with God as He works in him, by His will and to do for His good pleasure. That God the Father by His foreknowledge, He predestines those that will be called, that are justified by God, to be glorified with Christ or conformed to His image and. perseverance by the Holy Spirit . Grace produces faith, faith leads to repentance, repentance brings sanctification by the working of the Spirit with man's obedience to Christ. The gift of grace is being born again, which no man can see the kingdom of God without it.

At least this is where I'm at right now, I'm sure as time goes on and the Lord reveals through His word, it will change. What I have noticed that God's love seem more valuable, since I've come to understand the weight my sin and the beauty of God's holiness and His great love with which He loves the Church or His sheep.
 
Realizing this Thread originated in 2013.......BUT.......the person who resurrected it did so for a good reason........soooo


Just to be clear ............ Reformed Theology.........and the Reformation Movement are two entirely different things.....just to be clear.........

The Reformation Movement has nothing in common with Calvinism.
 
LadyAZ said:
Hello, I found this place under "Reformed" Christian Chat... been chatting for a few days, only to be told my being reformed is a terrible heresey. The beating went on to the point where I will not chat here again. it was hurtful. Heads up that if reformed peep are unwelcomed in the chat room, maybe let future innocents know before they get hurt and discouraged.
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Heads up. Assume God's message will never be well received. And then keep on keeping on. (Hint: Some of us are reformed anyway. :))
 
The Gospel of Jesus the Christ

The gospel of Jesus the Christ is the good news.
The good news of grace and truth made known to this world through
the Holy Ghost by the name above all names Jesus the Christ the first born of God
the Son of the living God the son of man given birth by woman to which came from man.

For it is written in the Holy Bible...
the scriptures of truth inspired by God.

In the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,

Which were born of God.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Have you received the Word?

If you will receive the Word
God will give you power to become a son of God.
And if you become a son of God by that power
You will become born of God.

And if you become born of God
You will cease from doing sin.

If we say we have sin and say we are born of God
then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

When Christians tell you they still sin and are born of God...
they are liars. They are not born of God.

When preachers tell you
that even though you are born of God you will still sin....
they are liars. You are not born of God.

For it is written...

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Satan never wants you to believe or know
that by grace through faith in Jesus Christ
you can become born of God and never
commit another sin.

The reason Christians do not want to believe they can
live without committing sin is because they love there sins
more than God.

That is what it is all about.

The love of sin vs the love of God.
 
p_rehbein said:
Realizing this Thread originated in 2013.......BUT.......the person who resurrected it did so for a good reason........soooo


Just to be clear ............ Reformed Theology.........and the Reformation Movement are two entirely different things.....just to be clear.........

The Reformation Movement has nothing in common with Calvinism.
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And thanks for proving my point.

(LadyAZ, as I was saying we're here anyway despite being told junk like this.)
 
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