The Falling Away

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The Day spoken of here is the Day of the Lord. Literally and clearly what is spoken of cannot happen till after mid-way thru the tribulation. Dan 9:27. This one who we call the beast or antichrist will deceive Israel, but he will also be diplomatic and military man blessed by Satan himself. He will allow Israel to build the temple, bring the jews home to Israel, they will be prosperous for 3 1/2 years like in the days of Noah and Lot without fear of what is happening in the other nations.

The falling away happens by deceiving the leaders and people of Israel, he will be looked upon as a hero, keeping them safe from the troubles in the outside world.
The falling away has been going on for quite some time now.

The only thing, i see remaining are the last 3.5 years which will begin at the discretion and control of the Father, when the Holy Spirit steps out of the way of the 'wicked one'.
 
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Wa Alaikum Salaam.

Practically speaking, I study three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Sunni Islam. I don't condemn Shia Muslims.

From my apartment in Covid isolation, I have lots of time to study and meditate. Denominationalists discourage me. You can be assured that my differences would put you off. I have repented as much as possible of that which did not please God. Reading in the OT, just lots of things were prohibited by God, but somehow since the book of Acts, many think there are no rules, and I can not accept that.

Hoping to go ride my bike to ward off the blood clots soon.
Have you taken the Covid Vaccination?
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV - King James Version
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, ...

Privately, I believe we are experiencing "great falling away", and are are approaching the end. Part of my thinking comes from what I have seen with my own eyes in American culture. When I was very young, females could not leave the farm in pants. I was so young that it did not matter. These days, we wear anything we want. Women can own property and have our own Bank accounts. I believe that this has gone too far. We should be modest, reverent to God and winsome and supportive of the men in our lives.

I'm not extremely intelligent but am very curious, and love the study of Biblical Archeology. It seems that it all started around Southern Iraq, Persia and the Levant and there is still lots to learn about God by the study of what those people left behind. We talk about the return of Jesus the Christ, and I think that includes a 'Heavenly Host".
Allegory and is like Saul before Paul, so it happens to all in bondage and sins by not being free. Check the thought of every century and its all repeating what is thought to be the last days, waiting for Christ is just as silly classic theology repeated under the sun.

2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 
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I was given two Pfizer shots in January of 2021. I do not know about a third yet. I have COPD, so.
Please do a search on Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Allegory and is like Saul before Paul, so it happens to all in bondage and sins by not being free. Check the thought of every century and its all repeating what is thought to be the last days, waiting for Christ is just as silly classic theology repeated under the sun.

2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
you said: waiting for Christ is just as silly classic theology repeated under the sun.

What you just said is false doctrine.

What you quoted - 2 Cor. 13: 5 is truth - stay with the truth, "thy word is truth"
 

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Privately, I believe we are experiencing "great falling away", and are are approaching the end.
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These days we are living in are the Tribulations. The last days spoken of in Scripture. One day.........soon.......MARANATHA!
 

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I politely disagree with what you say about Muslims. They worship the same God as us but their culture has prevented the proper education. I was deeply immersed in it for several years and could see it.
Respectfully, I disagree. Muslims consider it blasphemy to say Jesus is God's Son. The Muslim God has no son; therefore it's a different God.
 

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Sura 19

88. And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son.
89. Certainly you have made an abominable assertion
90. The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces,
91. That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God.
92. And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV - King James Version
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, ...

Privately, I believe we are experiencing "great falling away", and are are approaching the end. Part of my thinking comes from what I have seen with my own eyes in American culture. When I was very young, females could not leave the farm in pants. I was so young that it did not matter. These days, we wear anything we want. Women can own property and have our own Bank accounts. I believe that this has gone too far. We should be modest, reverent to God and winsome and supportive of the men in our lives.

I'm not extremely intelligent but am very curious, and love the study of Biblical Archeology. It seems that it all started around Southern Iraq, Persia and the Levant and there is still lots to learn about God by the study of what those people left behind. We talk about the return of Jesus the Christ, and I think that includes a 'Heavenly Host".
I agree, the falling away has started. Just look at how many Christians have hitched their wagons to that great deceiver Trump.

It's interesting that most people know about the 'antichrist', but so few about the apostasy, ignoring the fact that Paul put them on an equal footing.
 

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Respectfully, I disagree. Muslims consider it blasphemy to say Jesus is God's Son. The Muslim God has no son; therefore it's a different God.
I don't actively practice Islam any more, though for a time I did because I was searching, and I learned a great deal from it. Their view of Jesus the Christ is what turned me back toward Christianity, but I refuse to attack them. Judgement and condemnation are for one superior to me. My task is to know my place; observing Micah 6:8.

I watched the attack of 9/11/2001 happen and bridled my own response to it. Having just returned from a missionary trip, it was shattering to watch the angry responses of those around me, including some Christians that I looked up to, and had likely helped to finance that trip. None of us are perfect and it took a lot of prayer to resist judging them. That attack greatly changed American economics and circumstances erased any further progress toward my going to Bible School. We wound up punishing most Arabs rather than just the group who attacked us. In my opinion, it was acceptable to deal with Bin Laden, but to stay in Afghanistan and attack Iraq was not. I'll refrain from saying more.
 

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Amen, and amen. I try to find the ideas of that early church, and to not dwell on false doctrine. I'm not sure at all about the "kill and eat" passage in Acts. Eating Pork makes me really uneasy, so I eschew it as much as possible. I observe the Sabbath on Sunday but don't actually feel like that matters much as long as we choose the day we want. For many years I worked both Saturday and Sunday. Lately it seems right to act like every day is Sabbath. My circumstances make that possible. One can come to accept being completely alone, choosing to use that time in pleasing God. With Covid still killing people, it will remain that way.
In the early church they held fast to salvation in Christ and never did more than argue about heresy. When Constantine said heresy was illegal cr7and a criminal offense, Christians began killing each other for doctrine differences. Christ tells us that eating in God's eyes is what we put in our minds if you study the temptation of Christ to turn stones into food.

If people would only eat whole grains, never processed grains, their immune system would take care of Coved. God made the grains, man should not redo them.
 

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The falling away has been going on for quite some time now.

The only thing, i see remaining are the last 3.5 years which will begin at the discretion and control of the Father, when the Holy Spirit steps out of the way of the 'wicked one'.
“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

time period of the ot law and prophets

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New Testament time period

3.5 plus 3.5 = 7
 

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“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

time period of the ot law and prophets

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New Testament time period

3.5 plus 3.5 = 7
For me, I was very afraid of Trump.
 

Pilgrimshope

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For me, I was very afraid of Trump.
yes a lot of folks were and a lot are very afraid now of Biden .

but there is no government that Hod has. Not force ordained for his purpose and will. The world is on spiritual chaos now , so many leaders in the world wicked ones are fulfilling the prophesied time of the end like God used Babylon and nebucadnezzar for his Will when Israel’s tribulation began

sometimes the world is going to be under tribulation because of mans son and rebellion against God like israel suffered in the ot . Gods blessings are sure but his warnings also are sure when man reveals and refuses to repent . Israel continually did this

“Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭25:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched.”
‭‭2 Kings‬ ‭22:17‬ ‭


This is Israel’s story Gid would crush them with their enemies because of this and then they would repent for a generation and he would restore them . Then hey did it again and it happened the same and again and again and again until he desires no restoration for them the final straw eas when they killed Jesus

now the gospel was spread into the world , as Israel’s curse was beforehand because jew and gentile killed Jesus. Roman soldiers crucified him and Israel had accused and condemned him.

my point is that’s a pattern that we’re in on the world and Gods wrath is. Or his intent it’s born and grew from transgression against his word of life .

so now there are many leaders and much wrath and anger because he’s given his sins precious blood and the world is still in rebellion and disbelief

even in terrible times men’s rebellion has grown

“And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

our home is actually here

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s where we walk by faith to get home to after we leave this place of tribulation and rebellion
 

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Please do a search on Dr. Sherri Tenpenny


you said: waiting for Christ is just as silly classic theology repeated under the sun.

What you just said is false doctrine.

What you quoted - 2 Cor. 13: 5 is truth - stay with the truth, "thy word is truth"
Imagination is God in man, looking outside is classic theology that creates fear and repeating under the sun, Paul hinted who you are, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
 

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Not many can believe allegory that's being treated like secular history. Galatian try's. To wake you to OT allegory tales.
 
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Imagination is God in man, looking outside is classic theology that creates fear and repeating under the sun, Paul hinted who you are, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Phil 2:5

Is this true?
 

glen55

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Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Phil 2:5

Is this true?
Depends on looking outside you want to see or looking inside were only you see, Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

You are two Adam's the soul then spirit, one is seen born from women the spirit is eternal never born it is awaken.