The Fixed Earth

[MahogonySnail]

Stay off the tomato juice.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Signal is anything that isn't noise in an image, be it terrestrial or otherwise. Noise can come from the heat of the CCD chip itself, or from the camera's process of reading the chip, called read noise. Everything else, the image itself, is the signal. By averaging multiple pictures of the same object taken from the same angle and same conditions we can average out the noise (since noise is random) and increase the signal (since that will remain identical in every picture).

Astronut,

Yes but isn't M82 supernova detected only by it's radiowave emmissions? It is invisible otherwise, the 'galaxy' is 'invisible', are there any other signals coming from M82? Can you tell more about how M82 was dicovered and when?

 

[Astronut]

Astronut,

Yes but isn't M82 supernova detected only by it's radiowave emmissions? It is invisible otherwise, the 'galaxy' is 'invisible', are there any other signals coming from M82? Can you tell more about how M82 was dicovered and when?

M82 is a galaxy, not a supernova (supernovas are something you can find within a galaxy). It has radio emissions, x-ray emissions, visible light emissions, etc. It was first seen in 1774 by Johann Elert Bode. Pierre Méchain independently found it again in 1779 and reported it to Charles Messier, who measured its position and recorded it as the 82nd object in his catalogue in 1781.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

M82 is a galaxy, not a supernova (supernovas are something you can find within a galaxy). It has radio emissions, x-ray emissions, visible light emissions, etc. It was first seen in 1774 by Johann Elert Bode. Pierre Méchain independently found it again in 1779 and reported it to Charles Messier, who measured its position and recorded it as the 82nd object in his catalogue in 1781.

Actually I do not think that the object called M82 is a galaxy or a supernova, it is being labelled incorrectly, the celestrial cloud 'M82' is similar to the celestrial clouds of the 'Milky Way', these are celestrial 'mirages', they are not 'clusters of billions of stars', or 'invisible stars' or 'obscured stars', that is absurd, neither are they millions of light years away.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Has been a few inquiring about the struture of the universe lately so it is time to bring this thread back, so hav a lookee through the thread and hopefully the Spirit will testify to you the truth of the Geocentric Universe.

 

[Graybeard]

The sun does orbit the earth just like the Bible says so, I think you will find that the very latest astronomical evidence agress with a Geocentric universe, God will reveal more of this as time goes on, most of course will reject God's word and what their eyes and senses tell them and simply believe the lies of Satan, this is to be expected and is prophecised as so.

This is a quote of yours from another thread which I did not know what you where on about, so after reading a few pages of this thread I fully understand now where you are coming from.
So I am not even going to try and put forth any comment as enough has been produced to prove the topic otherwise.

One hears and reads about deception and this really wins hands down.
All I can say is Cup-of-Ruin, I really do not want to know what your interpretation on verses in Revelation would be! aaih ya yai! (shakes head in disbelief)

 

[suaso]

He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. - Psalm 91:4

The Bible says God is a bird. That is why the sun revolves around the Earth!
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(sarcasm)

 

[Harley_Angel]

Wow...really, all I can say is wow...

I hope there isn't a quiz on this in heaven in order to get in. I'm just glad believing in Jesus and loving him is all I need to do to get into heaven.

 

[Leilaii425]

I was hoping the earth moved from side to side, then back and fourth..... like the electric slide. I dont believe their is any biblical evidence that proves gods against the electric slide.

 

[Harley_Angel]

Maybe the Earth is dong the time warp...again. ^.^ Does the Earth have to have knees in order to dot he time warp?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Isaiah 40:22



22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.


the earth is round...

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

You. Are. Crazy.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Isaiah 40:22

22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Exactly. But in what sense? Spherical sense? Or flat dome sense? The circle of the earth is the equator. But at this time they did not know the earth was spherical. Their idea of the earth was a hemispherical dome. If you went over the edges of this circle circumference you'd drop off , or , there was some sort of border or somethign to stop you going past it, like a mountain range. That's why it refers to the heavens like a canopy and a tent that is spread out over the top of you, rather than being wrapped all around you in the spherical sense.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Exactly. But in what sense? Spherical sense?

Just as the Bible describes the circumference of the horizon, which can only be understood by the rational mind in the sense of a sphere!

Or flat dome sense? The circle of the earth is the equator. But at this time they did not know the earth was spherical.

Of course Isaiah and Moses and Enoch and all the Prophets knew the earth was sphere! To propose that the Bible teaches a flat earth is simply absurd, or are you trying to say that God doesn't know what shape the earth is?

Their idea of the earth was a hemispherical dome. If you went over the edges of this circle circumference you'd drop off

That is simply not true, you have no evidence for this, flat earth theory originated around the time of Christopher Columbus, primarily as a sensationalist, common news item tidbit.

, or , there was some sort of border or somethign to stop you going past it, like a mountain range. That's why it refers to the heavens like a canopy and a tent that is spread out over the top of you, rather than being wrapped all around you in the spherical sense.

What are you talking about 'Snail???

 

[MahogonySnail]

Just as the Bible describes the circumference of the horizon, which can only be understood by the rational mind in the sense of a sphere!

Purely looking at the horizon alone will not indicate that the earth is spherical - because you are only looking at a very small part. You'd have to view the horizon from many points around the earth to conclude it is spherical - and I don't think any of the bible men in the old testament travelled that far. It could be hemispherical as I said before, or the very slight apparent curvature of the earth in the distance can be explained by light distortion and illusions due to a curved hemispherical dome sky. There is no evidence from the bible whatsover that the earth is spherical, none.

Of course Isaiah and Moses and Enoch and all the Prophets knew the earth was sphere! To propose that the Bible teaches a flat earth is simply absurd, or are you trying to say that God doesn't know what shape the earth is?

They could not have known the earth was spherical unless they travelled into space or around the world. Considering they lived all their life in a small regional area not to mention not being near any sort of great ocean from which to observe any horizon easily, I consider that very unlikely.

That is simply not true, you have no evidence for this, flat earth theory originated around the time of Christopher Columbus, primarily as a sensationalist, common news item tidbit.

The surrounding nations of Israel had flat-earth ideas, Babylon, Egypt etc, considering that Israel spent 400 years in Egypt plus some time in Babylon and other nations during exile, it is likely they also had flat-earth views. As neighbors, the ancient Hebrews had the Egyptians to the southwest and the Babylonians to the northeast. Both civilizations had flat-earth cosmologies. The Biblical cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, and it may also draw upon Egyptian cosmology.

What are you talking about 'Snail???

The bible uses the word tent to describe the heavens. Obviously a tent does not wrap completely around like a bag. It descibes a covering over the top of the earth rather than something which is wrapped entirely around. If the earth was spherical, better language to use would be that God wrapped the heavens around the earth like a bag and it doesn't say that at all.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Purely looking at the horizon alone will not indicate that the earth is spherical - because you are only looking at a very small part. You'd have to view the horizon from many points around the earth to conclude it is spherical - and I don't think any of the bible men in the old testament travelled that far. It could be hemispherical as I said before, or the very slight apparent curvature of the earth in the distance can be explained by light distortion and illusions due to a curved hemispherical dome sky. There is no evidence from the bible whatsover that the earth is spherical, none.

They could not have known the earth was spherical unless they travelled into space or around the world. Considering they lived all their life in a small regional area not to mention not being near any sort of great ocean from which to observe any horizon easily, I consider that very unlikely.

The surrounding nations of Israel had flat-earth ideas, Babylon, Egypt etc, considering that Israel spent 400 years in Egypt plus some time in Babylon and other nations during exile, it is likely they also had flat-earth views. As neighbors, the ancient Hebrews had the Egyptians to the southwest and the Babylonians to the northeast. Both civilizations had flat-earth cosmologies. The Biblical cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, and it may also draw upon Egyptian cosmology.

The bible uses the word tent to describe the heavens. Obviously a tent does not wrap completely around like a bag. It descibes a covering over the top of the earth rather than something which is wrapped entirely around. If the earth was spherical, better language to use would be that God wrapped the heavens around the earth like a bag and it doesn't say that at all.

Well that has to be the most anti-biblical diatribes I have heard from you 'Snail, what you have said is false in every sense and the type of uneducated debating I would expect from most atheists.

I have already addressed all these issues in previous posts, along with your cynical and subversive attitude towards Bible truths which you assualt with subtlety and cunning.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yet Cup of Ruin you provided no historical or scientific evidence to the contrary. Do you have any evidence that the Egyptians, Babylonians, and ancient Hebrews believed in a spherical earth? Well it will do you no good quoting from the book of Enoch for one, as it is one of the most flat-earth scripture's existing. I'm happy to change my viewpoint if you have such evidence. Until then, all I know is that the Biblical cosmology closely parallels the Sumero-Babylonian cosmology, and it may also draw upon Egyptian cosmology. So where is your evidence???

In the old testament, there was a word for ball they could have easily used if they believed in a spherical earth, but scripture uses the word for circle- and circles are two dimensional objects. Why don't they use the word for ball if they knew the earth was spherical? Let's not call God a liar by claiming that the bible says something it does not say.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Also, the logical interpretation of the Isaiah verse, is that God sits on top of the earth above its circle (the equator) and looks down upon everyone like they are grasshoppers... but it does not say God looks underneath and sees those living underneath the earth as well!. It doesn't have to because it is a flat earth, circular cosmology described, and not a spherical earth. So where does the bible say God looks upon the earth from underneath?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Anyway, there are more scriptures in the bible that support a flat earth than a round earth.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Exactly. But in what sense? Spherical sense? Or flat dome sense? The circle of the earth is the equator. But at this time they did not know the earth was spherical. Their idea of the earth was a hemispherical dome. If you went over the edges of this circle circumference you'd drop off , or , there was some sort of border or somethign to stop you going past it, like a mountain range. That's why it refers to the heavens like a canopy and a tent that is spread out over the top of you, rather than being wrapped all around you in the spherical sense.

they did not know it was spherical you say..

the discoveries of underwater currents, the rain/ evaporation cycle and others have been "discovered" in "modern" time, yet the bible describes them too... the bible has little to do with what people knew, and more what God knew/knows