The Fulness of the Gentile

[Bigtpepper]

Yeshua gave a discourse to the disciples concerning the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE and the end of days. When the disciples asked him, “Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?” He told them, “Take note that you are not deceived, many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Anointed One [Mashiach]; and the time draws near, do not go after them.
But when you shall hear of wars and turmoil, do not be terrified, these things must first come to pass; but the end is yet come. Then he said he to them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And great earthquakes shall be in different places, famines, pestilences, and there shall be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. When you shall see “Jerusalem compassed with armies,” then know that the desolation thereof is drawing near.”

At the end of days the Lord said, “For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.” (Zechariah 14:2)
“I will also gather all nations and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.” (Joel 3:2)

Yeshua said, “Let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out of her; and let not them that are in the countries enter into it. These will be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
“Therefore, wait upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” (Zephaniah 3:8)

In the following verses, Yeshua gives a two-part prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE, and the last days when the “fullness of the Gentile age” has come to completion.

He said, “Woe to those that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! There shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword and shall be led away captive into all nations. After this Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:7-24)

 

[SomeDisciple]

Might be a topic for another thread; but what do you, as somebody that has studied scripture for a long time, think about Ezek40-48?

 

[p_rehbein]

I took a look at your Profile Page and read this:

Jerusalem above is free which is the mother of us all. Galatians Have been studying the word for 40 years, have found many questionable doctrines.

Could you explain this?

Welcome to CC, btw...

 

[Bigtpepper]

I took a look at your Profile Page and read this:

Jerusalem above is free which is the mother of us all. Galatians Have been studying the word for 40 years, have found many questionable doctrines.

Could you explain this?

Welcome to CC, btw...

 

[Bigtpepper]

You’ll never hear this taught in the church world.
It is hard to give a short answer on the subject. In “Galatians chapter four,” the Apostle Paul describes two orders by giving an allegory of two women, Sarah and Hagar. One is the natural which is of man and the other is the true, Jerusalem above. If you read in Hebrews chapter eleven Paul makes a statement saying, "But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels," (Hebrews 12:22)
What is he is telling us? When he says, you are come to the heavenly Jerusalem. Paul said in Galatians chapter 4, that "When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," (Galatians 4:4) He is said, Yeshua was made of a woman, not born of a virgin. He also said he was the first born of many brethren. (Romans 8:29) If he was the first born of many brethren then that means we must be born of the same mother. Then he later says in this verse "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Galatians 4:26) We are either born out of the true order (Jerusalem above) which is free or the false order of man (Babylon) which limits any thought outside of the walls of tradition and doctrines of man. Most in the Christian world cannot think outside of their doctrinal box, all they can do is parrot what they have heard or been taught by other men. It is like Yeshua said to the Pharisees, "Woe unto you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered." (Luke 11:52)
In God’s order there is male and female. Cities are always referred to in the female gender. If you read Proverbs chapter seven and eight in talks about the two orders, the false is the harlot (Proverbs 7) and the true is understanding (Proverbs 8).
Paul said, those who believe are many members but make up one body. He also said, those joined to a harlot are also on body. (1 Corinthians 12:12; 1 Corinthians 6:16)

 

[p_rehbein]

Interesting comment, but your interpretation IMO. But, everyone is entitled to their own understanding of Scripture.

BTW: It's Chapter 12, not 11 in Hebrews. Just saying.

Reading Galatians 4 must be done in context with the first three Chapters. Especially Chapter 3 which is the beginning of Paul's comments in Chapter 4:

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Another note: Hebrews may or may not have been written by Paul. The Author is not specified in Hebrews. There are a large number of folks who believe Priscilla may have written Hebrews. One reason Paul is not credited is the difference in writing styles between Hebrews and all of Paul's Epistles.

Anyway, the message in Galatians is the establishment of the New Covenant, Grace, which reveals all that believe in Jesus are saved by grace, and become Heirs to the Promise.

 

[Bigtpepper]

Interesting comment, but your interpretation IMO. But, everyone is entitled to their own understanding of Scripture.

BTW: It's Chapter 12, not 11 in Hebrews. Just saying.

Reading Galatians 4 must be done in context with the first three Chapters. Especially Chapter 3 which is the beginning of Paul's comments in Chapter 4:

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Another note: Hebrews may or may not have been written by Paul. The Author is not specified in Hebrews. There are a large number of folks who believe Priscilla may have written Hebrews. One reason Paul is not credited is the difference in writing styles between Hebrews and all of Paul's Epistles.

Anyway, the message in Galatians is the establishment of the New Covenant, Grace, which reveals all that believe in Jesus are saved by grace, and become Heirs to the Promise.

 

[Bigtpepper]

Your right everyone is entitled to their own opinion unless it conflicts with traditional doctrines of the Christian Church. There is no open dialogue. If there is a difference of opinion, they are immediately shut down.

 

[Nehemiah6]

until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

You are confusing the fulness of the Gentiles with the times of the Gentiles. The fulness of the Gentiles applies to the Church. God has a pre-determined number of Gentiles who will be in the Church. That is not because God is limiting them but because there will simply be a limit. Once that number is complete, the Church will be raptured. It is still a very large number.

But the times of the Gentiles applies to Jerusalem and Judea. The times of the Gentiles began with the Babylonian empire and will end with the empire of the Antichrist. After that the Gentiles will be absent from Jerusalem and Judea.