The Great Tribulation Began in 70 AD and Continues to This Very Day

[Researcher]

Your claim that the Great Tribulation was fulfilled in AD 70...

Not fulfilled but began. I believe the world is still in the Great Tribulation, i.e., Times of the Gentiles. It's more about Israelites and Jews going through tribulation than Christians.

Jesus placed His coming after the tribulation: “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven… and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29–30) NONE OF THIS DID HAPPEN AS OF YET

Agreed.

...did the sun darken? Did the moon not give its light? Did the stars fall from heaven? etc....

I would say no.

By the way...

I believe Scripture is alluding to the Stars falling from Heaven as fallen angels, which is synonymous with the 'falling away', i.e., the rebellion that is to come once Transhumanism (Mark of the Beast) comes into play.

Falling Away = Fallen Angels:

2 Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Days of Noe. Return of the Giants.

Daniel describes a time of trouble unlike anything before it, followed by resurrection : And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered… And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.” (Daniel 12:1–2)

See my post #7.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It is my opinion that the Rapture and the Day of the Lord happens simultaneously and unexpectedly:

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Those who believe everything is fine because some imaginary 'seven year' or 'three and a half year' period of time has not begun will be in for a rude awakening if they are not saved.

Oh okay. Yeah, I agree with that, that Jesus returns and collects us on the same day. But I do believe we will go through the great tribulation (distinct from normal tribulation) before He returns.

Just so "NO!" to the mark of beast, everyone! Don't be afraid of that which can kill the body - absent from the body, present with the Lord!

 

[timf]

The flood killed way more than a fourth.

The vision in Revelation is future.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Great Tribulation is not something that is future, but rather something that has been ongoing now for almost two thousand years.

Just a few verses are all we need to see how this works:

Matthew 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

The Abomination was the Crucifixion. The desolation is what happened a short while later in 70 AD. That leads us to the next verse:

Matthew 24:21 - For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The destruction of Jerusalem was the beginning of the Great Tribulation. This is also synonymous with the 'times of the Gentiles'. Once the times of the Gentiles is over, we get to this verse:

Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

The phrase 'those days' is again referring to the nearly two thousand years since the destruction of Jerusalem. After the Great Tribulation is over, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, etc. In other words, the Rapture is what we are waiting for and after that comes terrible destruction as the Man of Sin is revealed. The Mark of the Beast is of course still future as this is not a Preterist teaching, nor am I a Preterist.

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