The Greatest depression is coming, are you ready?

[stilllearning]

The ratio of silver to gold price is about 100:1 right now and historically does not go below 10:1. If Gold is $4,000 an ounce the most we would expect to see silver would be $400 an ounce.

However, we can reset the price of gold. It is obviously not $42.22 an ounce.

If the world's currency were backed by gold it would have to be $30,000 an ounce. (Total amount of currency in the float divided by the total amount of gold in the world). If you do that then silver would likely hit $2,800 an ounce. A cup and handle formation indicates a very long period of time of accumulation at a repressed price (banks shorting silver to keep the price low) followed by a breakout, and a short squeeze. A few months ago silver was at $28 an ounce so if it goes to $2800 someone is going to get a 100 fold return.

But who would do this? Market manipulation is very common, but not over a 50 year time frame. That is why I don't think this is a person, I think it is a government and the US seems like the most likely government able to do this on the down low. First, it is US banks that have kept the price low and second why would they do that when it is obviously under priced and you will likely be the victim of a short squeeze? You would have to have another valid reason, like you are making more money from someone else to have this losing investment for the last fifty years.

I don't think the silver is enough to deal with the US debt, it is a much smaller market. But the gold is.

Are you just backing money in circulation with gold or the total value of all money? Because if the source is correct that I found they are saying the total value of all money including such as investments, derivatives, cryptocurrency is valued in dollars at 3.3 quadrillion.

• The total value of money held in investments, derivatives, and cryptocurrencies surpasses $3.3 quadrillion.

https://www.rankred.com/how-much-money-is-there-in-the-world/

 

[ZNP]

Are you just backing money in circulation with gold or the total value of all money? Because if the source is correct that I found they are saying the total value of all money including such as investments, derivatives, cryptocurrency is valued in dollars at 3.3 quadrillion.

• The total value of money held in investments, derivatives, and cryptocurrencies surpasses $3.3 quadrillion.

https://www.rankred.com/how-much-money-is-there-in-the-world/

just the cash in circulation requiring the global economy to work.

 

[stilllearning]

just the cash in circulation requiring the global economy to work.

Ok I got you. Thanks for answering my questions bro. Now having a little better understanding of your scenario I can now read over it all. Thanks for your time I do appreciate it.

 

[ZNP]

Talk about finding the silver lining

First they report that AI is taking white collar jobs and that is will be bloodbath. But then on a more positive note they say that Blue Collar jobs will also be taken?!

I love the happy upbeat vibe as they announce that white collar and blue collar jobs will be gone.

 

[resto]

Wow 3 years later. I sold my house in AZ at the right time 2 years ago. The Arizona Housing Market was still strong. I couldnt see staying in the US after retiring. So to maximize my money I chose to Move to Thailand at a 32 to one exchange rate. I was looking at the Philippines when it had a better than 55 to 1 rate. PI didnt really appeal to me but Thailand stood out along with Viet Nam. I chose Thailand and dont regret it. I have two nice pensions that are not taxed in Thailand so I live "Very Well" even with my current Health problems. I still have Health Insurance through my Pension. My Thai wife has a farm and another House 12k from here. She and her late Husband (Brit Expat) built a resort Hotel on the Mediterranean coast of Spain. They owned it 18 years then sold it and moved back to Thailand, then he past away. I had friends in the US that "Cashed Out" and moved to Costa Rico, PI, Viet Nam and other places, so thats how I got interested in being an Expat. There is almost no Taxation here. The economy is supported by Tourism. They took a major hit during the Scamdemic but things are back to normal now.

 

[stilllearning]

just the cash in circulation requiring the global economy to work.

I had a chance this past weekend with it being a holiday weekend and this week to look over what your propose. Also looked at various others who hold the same sentiment as yourself. Which let me say firsthand I am in agreement something has to be done with the debt and the sooner the better.

The second part of the argument I find I take the opposite and that is the return to the gold standard. However, that is a separate conversation. I am sure you are already aware of my objections as anyone involved in this debate is aware of the objections and cons.

On the matter of the debt though one thing that bothered me was the deficit was never addressed. Speaking on the arguments I read not necessarily you. As I am not a everyday poster and only tend to do so when time allows. So I am not aware of everything you have written. So my objection is to those I read who did not address to me what is the cornerstone of how we got here. Spending more than we make.

Unless we address that first and foremost any attempt to get rid of the debt will just be a case of a dog returning to it's vomit. So I find if we address that first and as our real problem. I find that if we do so then we would see that our vision would expand and we could come up with a host of ways to pay off the debt.

So until we first resolve our problem of spending more than we have any measures we take are going to be futile and we will be here again.

 

[ZNP]

I had a chance this past weekend with it being a holiday weekend and this week to look over what your propose. Also looked at various others who hold the same sentiment as yourself. Which let me say firsthand I am in agreement something has to be done with the debt and the sooner the better.

The second part of the argument I find I take the opposite and that is the return to the gold standard. However, that is a separate conversation. I am sure you are already aware of my objections as anyone involved in this debate is aware of the objections and cons.

On the matter of the debt though one thing that bothered me was the deficit was never addressed. Speaking on the arguments I read not necessarily you. As I am not a everyday poster and only tend to do so when time allows. So I am not aware of everything you have written. So my objection is to those I read who did not address to me what is the cornerstone of how we got here. Spending more than we make.

Unless we address that first and foremost any attempt to get rid of the debt will just be a case of a dog returning to it's vomit. So I find if we address that first and as our real problem. I find that if we do so then we would see that our vision would expand and we could come up with a host of ways to pay off the debt.

So until we first resolve our problem of spending more than we have any measures we take are going to be futile and we will be here again.

My discussion on market manipulation as a way to pay off the debt is not "my suggestion" nor do I see this as a "solution". If the US were to do this they would be greatly reviled and lose all trust with other nations. Market manipulation is considered to be a crime. However I was simply pointing out that the US is in the perfect position to do this because for everyone else when they try to book their profits by selling the gold or silver the price will immediately drop in response to the market being flooded with sales orders. However, the US can negotiate trillion dollar trades of US debt, so the trade is done at the peak price.

Reciprocal trade deals appears to be in the US interest meaning that much of our trade deficit is simply due to bad trade policy and Trump's tariffs will go a long way to fix that. But the reason everyone needed that unfair trade was to help their local economies. To manipulate the price of gold in such an extreme and violent way will cause massive bankruptcies, to manipulate the price of silver in such and extreme and violent way will cause chaos in the industrial sector.

 

[ZNP]

The Saudi Silver Bombshell Just Exposed COMEX as a Total Illusion | Andy Schectman

This is an excellent explanation of the theory, better laid out than what I have said, and he has more evidence than I have shared.

Now what many may not understand when they hear this, if gold is reset at $24,000 an ounce it is like the US dollar being cut by 85%. The guy who thought he had a million dollars in his retirement account will wake up to realize 85% of it is gone.

 

[ZNP]

Google Firing 20,000 Workers as Tech Companies FIRE EVERYONE

 

[ZNP]

The easiest way to measure where we are at, simply look at the price of Gold. It is an excellent measure of the US dollar. As long as it is not over

$2,000 an ounce
$2,500 an ounce
$3,000 an ounce
$3,500 an ounce
$4,000 an ounce

You know that everything is ok and the elites have not headed for the lifeboats.

 

[ZNP]

Job growth revised down by 911,000 through March, signaling economy on shakier footing than realized

 

[ZNP]

Something Just Broke Gold hit $3700! MAJOR WARNING!

Central banks are buying up gold and gold is for war.

 

[ZNP]

Communist Regime Falls in One Blow: Nepal Collapses, Xi Jinping on a Volcano

 

[ZNP]

 

[ZNP]

DEFEAT: CNN Actually Admits Massive Jobs Revision a ‘Stain on Joe Biden’s Legacy’
Joseph Vazquez
September 12th, 2025 1:00 PM

The pro-Bidenomics clapping seals over at CNN finally had the stones to admit that a major revision in jobs growth has undercut President Joe Biden’s entire economic legacy.

For all the lipstick-smearing CNN did on the pig of Biden’s economy and his supposedly stellar jobs growth, the Bureau of Labor Statistics made a big whoopsie by conceding that it had again wildly overestimated jobs growth during his era in the 12 month period ending March 2025 — this time by a whopping 911,000.

With no clever way to spin, CNN economics reporter Elisabeth Buchwald had to admit the obvious September 10: “Massive jobs revisions are a stain on Joe Biden’s legacy, too.” Yup, Buchwald actually tried to pin some blame on President Donald Trump for this, despite the fact he was only in office for a little over a month in the period the BLS covered.

That’s barely enough time for Trump to pass gas, let alone for his tariff actions to have any real gargantuan effect on the economy. But what more can you expect from the same hapless outlet that spent so much time trying to convince everybody ad nauseum that Biden’s economy was somehow “historic” in any other sense than the complete inflationary disaster that it was?

Buchwald played her story cute by writing that “Although Trump’s policies may have contributed to some of the most dismal employment data in years, under his watch, he may not be as blame-deserving as his critics have stated.” As it turned out, wrote Buchwald, “the labor market he inherited from former President Joe Biden was not as solid as economists thought of before Tuesday.”

Well isn’t this just a textbook case of putting it mildly!

The shocker came when Buchwald conceded White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s statement on Tuesday following the BLS revision that it was “very clear that President Trump inherited a much worse economy by the Biden administration than ever reporter.” Surprisingly, Buchwald admitted, “She’s right - the historic jobs growth of Biden’s first two years certainly slowed in 2023 and petered out in 2024 before rebounding strongly to close his term.”

Buchwald, in another head-turning twist, actually conceded that the economy Trump inherited was more atrocious than what anybody in the leftist media were really willing to admit:

Trump was dealt worse cards to begin with than previously known, which means the recently reported decline in hiring – and in some sectors, layoffs – can be viewed in part as a continuation of where things left off when Biden left the White House in January.​

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https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/b...tually-admits-massive-jobs-revision-stain-joe​

 

[stilllearning]

My discussion on market manipulation as a way to pay off the debt is not "my suggestion" nor do I see this as a "solution". If the US were to do this they would be greatly reviled and lose all trust with other nations. Market manipulation is considered to be a crime. However I was simply pointing out that the US is in the perfect position to do this because for everyone else when they try to book their profits by selling the gold or silver the price will immediately drop in response to the market being flooded with sales orders. However, the US can negotiate trillion dollar trades of US debt, so the trade is done at the peak price.

Reciprocal trade deals appears to be in the US interest meaning that much of our trade deficit is simply due to bad trade policy and Trump's tariffs will go a long way to fix that. But the reason everyone needed that unfair trade was to help their local economies. To manipulate the price of gold in such an extreme and violent way will cause massive bankruptcies, to manipulate the price of silver in such and extreme and violent way will cause chaos in the industrial sector.

It was more limited in scale. I was looking at your idea as well as others to reprice our gold from the $42.22 we do know. Reprice it at market price. Then looking at what others wrote and Trump's proposal to sell off our gold to pay off at least some of the debt. His plan is to sell gold certificates much like a T-Bond. Except they would be zero's for the 30 years they took to mature. Upon maturity you would receive one ounce of gold per certificate.

Since it is going to be a zero I assume that it will be sold at a discount to face value. Then of course upon maturity you get the ounce. So anyway I am not opposed to such a plan only if they have eliminated the deficit.

 

[ZNP]

It was more limited in scale. I was looking at your idea as well as others to reprice our gold from the $42.22 we do know. Reprice it at market price. Then looking at what others wrote and Trump's proposal to sell off our gold to pay off at least some of the debt. His plan is to sell gold certificates much like a T-Bond. Except they would be zero's for the 30 years they took to mature. Upon maturity you would receive one ounce of gold per certificate.

Since it is going to be a zero I assume that it will be sold at a discount to face value. Then of course upon maturity you get the ounce. So anyway I am not opposed to such a plan only if they have eliminated the deficit.

They won't eliminate the deficit with this plan. They will be able to keep financing a defict. However, if we go to a gold backed security then you have to look at the amount of gold in central banks and compare that to the amount of currency being used. Rickards did that to come up with $30,000 an ounce. If we reprice gold at that amount it won't pay off the debt but it will make the US balance sheet look much, much better. However, we are talking about a catastrophic collapse in buying power for Americans. They will not be pleased to say the least.

 

[shittim]

How about a 50% contraction of the $?

 

[ZNP]

How about a 50% contraction of the $?

I suspect it will be more like 85% loss in purchasing power.

 

[studier]

How about a 50% contraction of the $?

Ouch!

I suspect it will be more like 85% loss in purchasing power.

Bigger Ouch!

But experiencing such a devaluation after a lifetime of whatever building I've done in the world does make sense. I'm glad He showed me decades ago where true value is and how to work at that instead.