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Yeah, that's true...
But while some facts aren't pertinent to the timeline/summary other facts when omitted alter the narrative. For example, Ben says early in the video that the "Jews'" first exile was in Assyria. This is incorrect to say. The "Jews'" first exile was in Babylon (Jews being Judahites; descendants of the man Judah). Something as innocuous as this has implications because it assumes that all the Israelites are Jews.
All ancient Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews.
He took what happened to the Northern house (10 tribes plus some of Levi) and associated it with the Southern house (2 tribes plus some of Levi).
It's this same slip that leads to folks saying that Abraham, Moses, and Joshua were also Jews when they were not. Abraham was a Hebrew, Moses was a Levite and Joshua was an Ephraimite (Josephite)...which further leads to a misunderstanding of prophesy as the northern house had a certain timeframe of punishment while the southern house had a completely different timeframe of punishment.
But while some facts aren't pertinent to the timeline/summary other facts when omitted alter the narrative. For example, Ben says early in the video that the "Jews'" first exile was in Assyria. This is incorrect to say. The "Jews'" first exile was in Babylon (Jews being Judahites; descendants of the man Judah). Something as innocuous as this has implications because it assumes that all the Israelites are Jews.
All ancient Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews.
He took what happened to the Northern house (10 tribes plus some of Levi) and associated it with the Southern house (2 tribes plus some of Levi).
It's this same slip that leads to folks saying that Abraham, Moses, and Joshua were also Jews when they were not. Abraham was a Hebrew, Moses was a Levite and Joshua was an Ephraimite (Josephite)...which further leads to a misunderstanding of prophesy as the northern house had a certain timeframe of punishment while the southern house had a completely different timeframe of punishment.
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This makes no sense, so any journalist, historian or geo-politcal analyst who dares make any statement condemning an atrocity any state/country makes it is hateful.
This is a nonsensical accusation, that is why it is impossible to even discuss this issue with most people on this thread.
It is an incredible blind spot and double standard now you seem to have taken, I think I remember you made a post where you stated all countries are evil.
I dunno I don't get it, all the angels live in Israel and all the demons live in the other Arab states.
What a way to think about the world so very simplistic
This is a nonsensical accusation, that is why it is impossible to even discuss this issue with most people on this thread.
It is an incredible blind spot and double standard now you seem to have taken, I think I remember you made a post where you stated all countries are evil.
I dunno I don't get it, all the angels live in Israel and all the demons live in the other Arab states.
What a way to think about the world so very simplistic
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The issue that you support being that Ashkenazi "fake Jews" all need to be exterminated?
And that all and any Jewish identity must be scrubbed from society?
And the other issue you support being that the sovereign state of Israel must be terminated?
No I don't agree with any of that. On the contrary I believe that there must be a State of Israel and that all men must be saved, including Ashkenazi Jews if in fact they exist at all.
And that all and any Jewish identity must be scrubbed from society?
And the other issue you support being that the sovereign state of Israel must be terminated?
No I don't agree with any of that. On the contrary I believe that there must be a State of Israel and that all men must be saved, including Ashkenazi Jews if in fact they exist at all.
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Then you love what God loves, Israel is the apple of His eye. It is the only nation we are commanded to pray for, with blessings promised. We are told in Romans 11 the Jews are loved because of the heritage they have given to us. So then you must pray for the Jews, correct?
You are just another dogmatic person on the internet to me. And you probably feel the same way. But I'm not damning your eternal soul or pretending its my business to judge your heart or motivations. If you disagree you disagree.
You are wrong about so many things I don't even have the time to go there. History has indeed been revised, but not by me.[/QUOTE]
Kind thanks to you brother. I was away from my laptop all day. I appreciate your very thorough answer, as always.
You are just another dogmatic person on the internet to me. And you probably feel the same way. But I'm not damning your eternal soul or pretending its my business to judge your heart or motivations. If you disagree you disagree.
You are wrong about so many things I don't even have the time to go there. History has indeed been revised, but not by me.[/QUOTE]
Kind thanks to you brother. I was away from my laptop all day. I appreciate your very thorough answer, as always.
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Sounds like modern PC "hate speech" BS.
( Which is exactly what it is.
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And, 'nonsensical' is an understatement for the amount/extent of exaggeration in many of the accusations that have been made in this thread - claiming things that no one has actually said anywhere in this entire thread (so far) - by adding and superimposing things imagined onto discerning observations made by others...
( Which is exactly what it is.
)And, 'nonsensical' is an understatement for the amount/extent of exaggeration in many of the accusations that have been made in this thread - claiming things that no one has actually said anywhere in this entire thread (so far) - by adding and superimposing things imagined onto discerning observations made by others...
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See this is why you get called Anti-Semitic. The Jews were attacked on Oct 7. Hostages were taken, one that was only months old. What was done to the Jews was atrocious !! And they have a right to defend their own country. No one told America what to do when Pearl Harbor was attacked. And no one demanded a cease fire. And America, unlike Israel, didn't tell innocent citizens to get out because they were about to attack.Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed between 150,000 and 246,000 people, most of whom were civilians. Israel has more compassion than America had.
Been here as long as you have, possibly longer.
Un-Biblical and as wrong as you are not one person has stopped you from speaking your mind. Has nothing to do with guilt by association, it has to do with your words. And BTW it was a person of Jewish descent who began this thread.
Here's what the BIBLE says...
Micah 2:12- “I will surely assemble all of you, Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel.
I will put them together like sheep in the fold; Like a flock in the midst of its pasture
Zephaniah 3 - Even at the time when I gather you together; Indeed, I will give you renown and praise
Among all the peoples of the earth,When I restore your fortunes before your eyes,” Says the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:10 - Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, And declare in the coastlands afar off,
And say, “He who scattered Israel will gather him And keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.”
Ezekiel 39:27
When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies....
Psalm 107:2-3-Let the redeemed of the Lord say so,Whom He has redeemed from the hand of the adversary
And gathered from the lands, From the east and from the west,From the north and from the south.
Isaiah 54:7- “For a brief moment I forsook you, But with great compassion I will gather you.
Ezekiel 39:28- Then they will know that I am the Lord their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.
Deuteronomy 30:3- then the Lord your God will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you.
Deuteronomy 30:4
If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back.
Isaiah 11:11-12
Then it will happen on that day that the Lord
Will again recover the second time with His hand
The remnant of His people, who will remain,
From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath,
And from the islands of the sea.
And He will lift up a standard for the nations
And assemble the banished ones of Israel,
And will gather the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
Jeremiah 29:14
I will be found by you,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.’
Jeremiah 32:37
Behold, I will gather them out of all the lands to which I have driven them in My anger, in My wrath and in great indignation; and I will bring them back to this place and make them dwell in safety.
Ezekiel 11:17
Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries among which you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”’
Ezekiel 20:34
I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out;
Ezekiel 20:41
As a soothing aroma I will accept you when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered; and I will prove Myself holy among you in the sight of the nations.
The Jews came back to their homeland, just as God promised. And that's not all the verses.
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And, 'nonsensical' is an understatement for the amount/extent of exaggeration in many of the accusations that have been made in this thread - claiming things that no one has actually said anywhere in this entire thread (so far) - by adding and superimposing things imagined onto discerning observations made by others...
For example:
All? I think not. A certain 'group' of them who are carrying out atrocities on innocent people - I can imagine that someone may have suggested that...
I am quite certain that no one has said this - not even close.
Who said that?
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The "issue" in this thread regarding the state of Israel is about who is in control of it - not who lives there, etc.
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I really don't think anyone is "against Israel"; rather, some folks do not like to see innocent people harmed, violated, etc. - no matter who they are...
And, this does not "equate" to "hatred" of any kind.
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This is where those declaring "Anti-Semitic!" are wrong - not having actual proof of such.
Consider (large font just for effect):
Why on earth would someone declare that someone else "hates Jews" when all that someone else has said is that they have low regard for a [group of] people who they themselves do not believe are [real] Jews ?!?!?!?!?!
Now - just think about that for a while - let it sink in...
(Is not such an accusation unjustified and a bit unfair?)
If I were to say that I did not believe the folks in Canada were [real] Canadians - does that automatically mean that "I hate all of [real] Canadians"...???
Come on, now - think about what you are declaring without cause.
Do not allow emotion to be the driving force in your reasoning.
A well-placed comma would have helped greatly...
So????? Why do you keep saying this? What are you hoping to gain by repeating it?
The OP had opportunity to create a thread about her concern for "an imbalance in political support regarding Israel-Palestine issues" - which she perceives as "hatred" for Jews. What would be different if the OP was not a person of Jewish descent? Is the 'concern' only valid if it is a person of Jewish descent?
Has your confidence in your beliefs with regard to the thread topic really fallen so far that you are willing to grasp at every possible available "straw" to garner support "for the cause"...???
If you study what the BIBLE says very carefully, you should discover that it will be God/Jesus - without any help from man - Who will restore Israel as a nation - according to biblical prophecy - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.
Not yet they haven't - "just as God promised"...
(keep studying)
Consider (large font just for effect):
Why on earth would someone declare that someone else "hates Jews" when all that someone else has said is that they have low regard for a [group of] people who they themselves do not believe are [real] Jews ?!?!?!?!?!
Now - just think about that for a while - let it sink in...
(Is not such an accusation unjustified and a bit unfair?)
If I were to say that I did not believe the folks in Canada were [real] Canadians - does that automatically mean that "I hate all of [real] Canadians"...???
Come on, now - think about what you are declaring without cause.
Do not allow emotion to be the driving force in your reasoning.
A well-placed comma would have helped greatly...
So????? Why do you keep saying this? What are you hoping to gain by repeating it?
The OP had opportunity to create a thread about her concern for "an imbalance in political support regarding Israel-Palestine issues" - which she perceives as "hatred" for Jews. What would be different if the OP was not a person of Jewish descent? Is the 'concern' only valid if it is a person of Jewish descent?
Has your confidence in your beliefs with regard to the thread topic really fallen so far that you are willing to grasp at every possible available "straw" to garner support "for the cause"...???
If you study what the BIBLE says very carefully, you should discover that it will be God/Jesus - without any help from man - Who will restore Israel as a nation - according to biblical prophecy - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.
Not yet they haven't - "just as God promised"...
(keep studying)
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Typical Communist tactic. Projection. Accuse the other side of that which you are actively doing. These people are liars and racists, so they accuse us of their crimes. When of course, it is exactly the opposite.
Then they try to claim our beliefs are invalid (although these were accepted by mainstream Christendom for some 2000 years, and only became unpopular in the last 70 or so), and try to claim that our beliefs led to Hitler's holocaust - when this is dubious, and it is demonstrable that their beliefs are clearly being used to this very day for the heresy claiming that Jews (i.e. those who claim to be Jews) do not need a saviour, and even worship of (those who claim to be) Jews and Israel (refer to John Hagee).
Then they try to claim our beliefs are invalid (although these were accepted by mainstream Christendom for some 2000 years, and only became unpopular in the last 70 or so), and try to claim that our beliefs led to Hitler's holocaust - when this is dubious, and it is demonstrable that their beliefs are clearly being used to this very day for the heresy claiming that Jews (i.e. those who claim to be Jews) do not need a saviour, and even worship of (those who claim to be) Jews and Israel (refer to John Hagee).
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That cat clearly doesn't believe the plain words of scripture. This Rothschild Zionism is a different religion to Christianity, and while it selectively takes from the scriptures to try to add to its prestige and authority in the minds of those it has deceived, where the scriptures refute it - as in the case you highlighted - such scriptures are rejected.
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Because nutter anti-Semites use these kinds of conspiracy theories as a weapon against Israelites to great detriment including mass murder.
Because when it comes to hating Israel, any lie will do. BTW, I have yet to see substantial evidence. Shrill ravings are not evidence.
Oh yes.....and lies (such as this) are Satanic and issue forth from the evil one.
If you study the Bible, Jesus God DEFINITELY used kings, nations and geopolitics to regather the sons of Jacob after the Babylonian captivity.
And it is happening again by the same methodology. Obviously.
Personally I think that the anti-Israel crew on this thread have exposed themselves as irrational actors, their minds seething with nutter conspiracies and rancor, who could care less about what God desires or what the Bible says.
Bummer. Glad its not my problem.
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Its quite a detailed topic. Even Jews are debating as it causes conflict with passages as you will see below. Their opinions appears to be 50 years, related to Jubilee, freeing of slaves after 50 years, and the Talmud and Midrash fifty years during which not even a bird flew over the land
I will try to provide a short clear response to the issues of how you are reading these passages.
There were a number of other points that were made in my previous post that have been ignored, regular occurrence, to overlook points that you don’t want to respond to and divert.
1) Strong's Concordance 5769
olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity
Original Word: עוֹלָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Definition: long duration, antiquity, futurity
le’olam - denotes a very long period of time, but nonetheless has an end point.
ad olam – forever (possibly)
olam - long duration, antiquity, futurity
2) Jeremiah 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
[if forever, everlasting - why a 'new convent' not like those with your ancestors?]
3) conflict with passages, so clearly this cannot (at least) always imply forever:
Jeremiah 17:4 - And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger which shall burn forever (‘aḏ- for) & (‘ō-w-lām – ever).”
Micah 7:18 - Who is a God like You, Pardoning iniquity And passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not retain His anger forever (לָעַד֙ - lā-‘aḏ), Because He delights in mercy.
[so does God remain angry forever or not?]
4) a conflict after one passage
Isaiah 32: 14 For the palace will be forsaken, the busy city abandoned. The hill and the watchtower will become caves forever (‘ō-w-lām)—the delight of wild donkeys and a pasture for flocks—
15 until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high. Then the desert will be an orchard, and the orchard will seem like a forest.
[so is it forever or until?]
I hope this assist in some way in explaining the issue we have. However, I look forward to your reply / position to each point.
I will try to provide a short clear response to the issues of how you are reading these passages.
There were a number of other points that were made in my previous post that have been ignored, regular occurrence, to overlook points that you don’t want to respond to and divert.
1) Strong's Concordance 5769
olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity
Original Word: עוֹלָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Definition: long duration, antiquity, futurity
le’olam - denotes a very long period of time, but nonetheless has an end point.
ad olam – forever (possibly)
olam - long duration, antiquity, futurity
2) Jeremiah 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
[if forever, everlasting - why a 'new convent' not like those with your ancestors?]
3) conflict with passages, so clearly this cannot (at least) always imply forever:
Jeremiah 17:4 - And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger which shall burn forever (‘aḏ- for) & (‘ō-w-lām – ever).”
Micah 7:18 - Who is a God like You, Pardoning iniquity And passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not retain His anger forever (לָעַד֙ - lā-‘aḏ), Because He delights in mercy.
[so does God remain angry forever or not?]
4) a conflict after one passage
Isaiah 32: 14 For the palace will be forsaken, the busy city abandoned. The hill and the watchtower will become caves forever (‘ō-w-lām)—the delight of wild donkeys and a pasture for flocks—
15 until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high. Then the desert will be an orchard, and the orchard will seem like a forest.
[so is it forever or until?]
I hope this assist in some way in explaining the issue we have. However, I look forward to your reply / position to each point.
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Lol. Says the nutter who claims others are anti-semites and racists for the violent and unChristian straw men he builds for them, and who can't put a coherent argument together? Not today, thank you, Rothschild Zionist. I don't worship the Rothschilds nor those their ill-gotten wealth has spawned. Their corrupt wealth will perish with them.
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This actually made me laugh. It's clear there in black and white in the scriptures, but the response from the Rothschild Zionists is "Nope". As I said, I think they pick and choose only those scriptures that support their false religion - the other scriptures they ignore. How about the one below? Arguably one of the most heroic Israelites of them all (Moses), yet God is about to kill him for breaking the covenant. And their answer is just "Nope". Lol.
Exodus 4:21 - 26
21 And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
Exodus 4:21 - 26
21 And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
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