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I was intigued by one of the orthodoxes statement that what 'church' or assembly of people has been faithful since Jesus Christ was here on earth...so I went and listened to a lot of his postings on orthodoxy...which though I believe them to be wrong...it is a serious question as to what 'assembly of people' were faithful to Christ when the RCC was corrupted?...And I am not sure of this, I tend to doubt a lot of the orthodox claims, yet their disagreements with the rcc I find I almost uniformly agree with...
Which leads to this thread, which is NOT about the RCC or orthodoxy...but instead about an issue that arose because of listening to the orthodox youtubes...
What is the relationship between history and the Holy Spirit? See a pastor at a church I normally attend says that medicine changes back and forth on what is good or bad for you...and what if faith for those who trace a human history back to Jesus could be the same way? What if, basing your faith on human history of the faithful since Christ, you found out that something you have faith in is wrong? Meaning a hidden document was found that clearly refuted it... Could you not be tossed to and fro like the waves of the sea? One day in history seeing that a certain faith was right, but then studying history the next day, finding out that history actually is against the new belief from history you just had yesterday and changed to, so on forever..So in short, all of your beliefs could change if you could find something in the past that disproofs them...but the tricky thing is the past is not here...so its like fighting a ghost, or rather being haunted by one that could cause you to have faith in anything, if you found it in HISTORY...
Which brings me to the Holy Spirit? It is interesting to me how catholics and rccs can look at scripture and then look at church history to 'discern' or 'uncover' the meaning of a passage...Its like you read it but you don't understand it so, just read in the church what the church believes it means and that IS what it means...thats what I understand by soooo many catholics saying they do not have to read the Bible the Pope does it for them...which is true within the catholic churches, because the individual members do not have to discern what is right but instead just have 'faith' in what the church believes they mean....what individual catholic could come up with all the legalities of the catholic church...it has taken 2000 years to come up with them they claim and no one man could 'uncover' all that depth...
And now the Holy Spirit...See, I believe that the Bible is discernable to those who love Christ...and the truth I have cannot be shaken by history or Judas scrolls or any other mischief, because it is not based on some psuedo history traced back, that could be falsified and change like the sea, but it is beased on the rock of Jesus...He is the One that illumines the darkness in my life and tells me what is evil or good...
But then sometimes I wonder as I said before, and have been asking a lot of people lately as I do not seem to find an assembly of the 'faithful' in any church I have attended, but instead just isolated people everywhere...So is there no one true chruch that is an assembly of just believers today or in the past? I still wonder over this even as I let the Holy Spirit guide me instead of shifting history...
So what is the relationship between the Holy Spirit and History?!?
God bless
tony
Which leads to this thread, which is NOT about the RCC or orthodoxy...but instead about an issue that arose because of listening to the orthodox youtubes...
What is the relationship between history and the Holy Spirit? See a pastor at a church I normally attend says that medicine changes back and forth on what is good or bad for you...and what if faith for those who trace a human history back to Jesus could be the same way? What if, basing your faith on human history of the faithful since Christ, you found out that something you have faith in is wrong? Meaning a hidden document was found that clearly refuted it... Could you not be tossed to and fro like the waves of the sea? One day in history seeing that a certain faith was right, but then studying history the next day, finding out that history actually is against the new belief from history you just had yesterday and changed to, so on forever..So in short, all of your beliefs could change if you could find something in the past that disproofs them...but the tricky thing is the past is not here...so its like fighting a ghost, or rather being haunted by one that could cause you to have faith in anything, if you found it in HISTORY...
Which brings me to the Holy Spirit? It is interesting to me how catholics and rccs can look at scripture and then look at church history to 'discern' or 'uncover' the meaning of a passage...Its like you read it but you don't understand it so, just read in the church what the church believes it means and that IS what it means...thats what I understand by soooo many catholics saying they do not have to read the Bible the Pope does it for them...which is true within the catholic churches, because the individual members do not have to discern what is right but instead just have 'faith' in what the church believes they mean....what individual catholic could come up with all the legalities of the catholic church...it has taken 2000 years to come up with them they claim and no one man could 'uncover' all that depth...
And now the Holy Spirit...See, I believe that the Bible is discernable to those who love Christ...and the truth I have cannot be shaken by history or Judas scrolls or any other mischief, because it is not based on some psuedo history traced back, that could be falsified and change like the sea, but it is beased on the rock of Jesus...He is the One that illumines the darkness in my life and tells me what is evil or good...
But then sometimes I wonder as I said before, and have been asking a lot of people lately as I do not seem to find an assembly of the 'faithful' in any church I have attended, but instead just isolated people everywhere...So is there no one true chruch that is an assembly of just believers today or in the past? I still wonder over this even as I let the Holy Spirit guide me instead of shifting history...
So what is the relationship between the Holy Spirit and History?!?
God bless
tony
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