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I am in dire straights dc.. i think this may have now been an terroist atttack or an act of God ? which way are you leaning
 
I can only pray but i feel that there must be wrath for changing the texts in there bible to read marriage is between two people..


I mean in the next generation children will grow up thinking its ok to get married and its ok to be gay..
 
JIMBO43 said:
I am in dire straights dc.. i think this may have now been an terroist atttack or an act of God ? which way are you leaning
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Well, I watched it on the tube live....and I am no firefighter, but he fire seemed to burn extremely fast and hot as if an accelerant was used.....and from what I heard (subject to being fact) it seems it started on the lower levels which would trap all above it resulting in a greater number of dead......in the very minimum it seems suspect for sure......
 
Now i dont know about you guys but surely that is snatching one of his little ones away ?
 
dcontroversal said:
Well, I watched it on the tube live....and I am no firefighter, but he fire seemed to burn extremely fast and hot as if an accelerant was used.....and from what I heard (subject to being fact) it seems it started on the lower levels which would trap all above it resulting in a greater number of dead......in the very minimum it seems suspect for sure......
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yeah started from the bottom for sure mate on all the live news casts same from the bottoms upwards.

half an hour to be exact........... who would stay in under them cirumstances ?...it does seem to be true that the tennants where told to stay indoors if there was a fire...


and that they where safe..


surely that would mean safe materials was used as an outside insulation ?
 
JIMBO43 said:
I am in dire straights dc.. i think this may have now been an terroist atttack or an act of God ? which way are you leaning
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I don't believe it's an act of God but of sinful men.
.I don't know if it's a religious terrorist or a deluded person who wanted to kill a lot of people.

Some people are filled with a lot of hate.

Or it could be neglect by those who built or maintained the building

Some people take shortcuts with electrical work that can cause pretty intense fires.
 
JIMBO43 said:
yeah started from the bottom for sure mate on all the live news casts same from the bottoms upwards.

half an hour to be exact........... who would stay in under them cirumstances ?...it does seem to be true that the tennany where told to stay indoors if there was a fire...


and that they where safe..


surely that would mean safe materials was used as an outside insulation ?
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Yeah if they were told to stay in....the retard that said that needs to be charged.....I don't know about you. but any building I am in and a fire starts.....like a roach when the lights come on...I will be out the door, window etc. like lightning jack flash......
 
JIMBO43 said:
yeah started from the bottom for sure mate on all the live news casts same from the bottoms upwards.

half an hour to be exact........... who would stay in under them cirumstances ?...it does seem to be true that the tennants where told to stay indoors if there was a fire...


and that they where safe..


surely that would mean safe materials was used as an outside insulation ?
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Don't they have fire escapes for the upper level apartment or couldn't they have jumped out of the windows?
 
dcontroversal said:
Yeah if they were told to stay in....the retard that said that needs to be charged.....I don't know about you. but any building I am in and a fire starts.....like a roach when the lights come on...I will be out the door, window etc. like lightning jack flash......
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Why would folks stay in a burning building even if someone said to stay in it? Most people die by smoke inhalation long before the flames reach them....no oxygen to breath of you have smoke in your lungs.
 
Ariel82 said:
Don't they have fire escapes for the upper level apartment or couldn't they have jumped out of the windows?
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Tall building.
From what I've read: Fire escape ladder didn't go all the way up, and only one stairwell.
Doesn't sound to me like it was built the way it should
 
Ariel82 said:
Don't they have fire escapes for the upper level apartment or couldn't they have jumped out of the windows?
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I can tell you....if I lived in a 25/26 story building I would have a way out even if I had to keep 350 feet of rope coiled next to the window and tied to the bed..........I can rappel and would in a New York second if I had to.
 
Ariel82 said:
Why would folks stay in a burning building even if someone said to stay in it? Most people die by smoke inhalation long before the flames reach them....no oxygen to breath of you have smoke in your lungs.
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Absolutely.......me...I am out the door.....
 
Sounds like the Titantic and locking the lower decks while the ship was sinking because they didn't have enough life rafts.
 
Ariel82 said:
Don't they have fire escapes for the upper level apartment or couldn't they have jumped out of the windows?
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on the higher floors the windows could only open 4 inches... for health and saftey...

there was one story a success story of a women throwing a baby out of the window from the tenth floor and a man caught the baby by the grace of God..maybe not an act of God
 
JIMBO43 said:
on the higher floors the windows could only open 4 inches... for health and saftey...

there was one story a success story of a women throwing a baby out of the window from the tenth floor and a man caught the baby by the grace of God..maybe not an act of God
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I would have taken the window out even if I had to put the lounge thru it....
 
JIMBO43 said:
on the higher floors the windows could only open 4 inches... for health and saftey...

there was one story a success story of a women throwing a baby out of the window from the tenth floor and a man caught the baby by the grace of God..maybe not an act of God
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Saved from the fire...folks should keep an eye on that Bible. God has plans for that one.

I was researching more and saw this

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ore-fatalities-after-tower-block-blaze-latest

A charity has urged people to stop donating items for those affected by the Grenfell Tower fire disaster because they are no longer needed. Muslim Aid, which along with Islamic Relief has collected more than 60 tonnes of supplies, is instead asking for contributions towards a relief fund for the victims.

So far, the organisation has raised more than £73,000 for those caught up in the fire. Jehangir Malik, the chief executive of Muslim Aid, said:

We are very grateful for kind donations of food, water, toiletries and other items, but these are no longer needed. If people wish to help, we ask that they express their generosity through donations, which will go to Grenfell Disaster Victims.
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Totally don't trust it...give us money instead of things? Seriously??? What will they do with the money? Is there any oversight over the finances of this organization? That they actually give the money to the victims and not their own causes?

Why are they in charge of collecting money for the victims?
 
there seems to be a deadly silince in the streets at the moment too.. everyone is on elert..
 
Jimbo, this guy has PTSD too and saved his elderly neighbor's life

Shows that there were some smart folks there.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ngton-chelsea-tenants-management-organisation

At Adair Tower in Kensington and Chelsea, Fabio Freemantle, 33, lives on the 13th and highest floor. He opened his front door last October to find the stairwell full of thick smoke. A fire had started in a flat on the third floor.

He decided to ignore the advice to remain inside his apartment. “I was woken that day by the smell of burning,” he said. “There were no alarms and there’s no sprinkler system in the building or panic buttons. I got my elderly neighbour out of his flat and we walked all the way down the 189 steps. The smoke was so thick, we lost each other on the way down.

“I still suffer from PTSD. I was struggling down through the smoke and was taken to hospital for smoke inhalation afterwards. Your life is too precious to stay put. Since the [KCTMO] took over from the council, they have made it worse.”.
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Ariel82 said:
Saved from the fire...folks should keep an eye on that Bible. God has plans for that one.

I was researching more and saw this

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Totally don't trust it...give us money instead of things? Seriously??? What will they do with the money? Is there any oversight over the finances of this organization? That they actually give the money to the victims and not their own causes?

Why are they in charge of collecting money for the victims?
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there will be a lot of money needed to rehouse them etc..
 
dcontroversal said:
Yeah if they were told to stay in....the retard that said that needs to be charged.....I don't know about you. but any building I am in and a fire starts.....like a roach when the lights come on...I will be out the door, window etc. like lightning jack flash......
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im not sure mate if the smoke was thick up the stairs ? what would you do then ?
 
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