There will be a physical kingdom on this earth, ruled by Jesus Christ from Jerusalem.
Assuming you're saved, you'll be in it.
The Kingdom Of God is Within You
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Assuming you're saved, you'll be in it.
This is Phariseeism. Find a physical kingdom anywhere in Jesus' teaching. https://christianchat.com/threads/the-kingdom-of-god-is-within-you.191355/post-4211646
That is true, and the church, which is the kingdom of Jesus, being it's king and husband of the church, which is his bride. The church is called by many different names in the scriptures, such as; The church of the first born, The remnant, The church in the wilderness, Zion, The church of God, the church of Christ, The few, and many more. The church is not a building, but exists within this tabernacle of clay, which is our bodies. There is the invisible church and the visible church. (Ezk 1:12 and following verses). The visible church are those that are preaching and teaching the truth of Jesus's doctrine, and the invisible church are the rest of God's elect that do not have the full knowledge of His doctrine, and are also the lost sheep of the house of Jacob/Israel who Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to.
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anything I have ever heard or read indicates the terms are interchangeable
Jesus uses either expression to mean the same thing in different things that He said. same meaning
further, in the gospels, Matthew uses 'kingdom of heaven', while Mark or Luke use 'kingdom of God' but, Matthew actually uses BOTH expressions interchangeably (Matt. 19:23-24)
it should also be noted that devout Jews, in their desire not to take God's name in 'vain', used 'heaven' to avoid using the name of God
(historical fact)
but keep splitting hairs to keep yourself busy and complicate anything Jesus said even further
Jesus uses either expression to mean the same thing in different things that He said. same meaning
further, in the gospels, Matthew uses 'kingdom of heaven', while Mark or Luke use 'kingdom of God' but, Matthew actually uses BOTH expressions interchangeably (Matt. 19:23-24)
it should also be noted that devout Jews, in their desire not to take God's name in 'vain', used 'heaven' to avoid using the name of God
(historical fact)
but keep splitting hairs to keep yourself busy and complicate anything Jesus said even further
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Kingdom of heaven. Heaven is a physical place created by God. It suffers violence. That’s not spiritual violence my friend. The throne of David is physical, in Zion located in Jerusalem. That’s physical not spiritual.
anything I have ever heard or read indicates the terms are interchangeable
Jesus uses either expression to mean the same thing in different things that He said. same meaning
further, in the gospels, Matthew uses 'kingdom of heaven', while Mark or Luke use 'kingdom of God' but, Matthew actually uses BOTH expressions interchangeably (Matt. 19:23-24)
it should also be noted that devout Jews, in their desire not take God's name in 'vain', used 'heaven' to avoid using the name of God
(historical fact
but keep splitting hairs to keep yourself busy and complicate anything Jesus said even further
Matthew is strictly Jewish in nature. The kingdom of heaven is only spoken in Matthew. Hmmmmm, I wonder why?
Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Scripture mentions only 2 worlds. Thos one and the New Heavens and earth.
Christ is reigning in his kingdom now, and has been sense the days of the Apostles (Luke 9:27).
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forget the other answer if you read it.
as I already pointed out, the devout Jews did not want to use God's name so they used 'heaven' instead
I get fed up with the 'you are wrong because I said so' answers
there are REAL answers and REAL facts but prejudice, way too much PERSONAL interpretation and bias get in the way
not to mention the KJ only club
you take a simple answer and want to turn it into some vast complicated machine with many gears and ways of operating it
and while you do that, you miss, again, the fact that Jesus was speaking of what people already knew...they understood what He said..the thing is, people today do not understand that simple fact and build a high rise when a tent was all that was needed
understand what Jesus said by understanding WHO He said it to...keep the context and audience in mind and you might just say 'oh'
that simple
Please don’t mock the Lords ability to rule. This world is in darkness. This world is in sin. If Christ was ruling this world, it would not be in this condition. No wonder people think Jesus is a joke if there are people spreading the rumor that Jesus is ruling as King right now. Pretty pathetic.
*Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1787: ἐντός (entos)
ἐντός, adverb ((from ἐν, opposed to ἐκτός), within, inside: with the genitive ἐντός ὑμῶν, within you, i. e. in the midst of you, Luke 17:21 (ἐντός αὐτῶν, Xenophon, an. 1, 10, 3 (but see the passage); ἐντός τούτων, Hell. 2, 3, 19; others); others,within you (i. e. in your souls), a meaning which the use of the word permits (ἐντός μου, Psalm 38:4 (); Psalm 108:22 (), etc.; (Hippolytus, ref. haer. 5, 7, 8; Petrus Alexandrinus, epistle can. 5)), but not the context; τό ἐντός, the inside, Matthew 23:26.
Both "in the midst" and "inside you" (within you) are applicable. What it meant was that at that time the Kingdom of God was not externally visible, since only those who had believed were within that Kingdom, with Christ as their King.
The Pharisees (and the religious leaders of Israel) were expecting Messiah would establish His visible Kingdom on earth at His first coming. They had failed to see that He would come as the Suffering Servant and the Lamb of God. And even after John the Baptist proclaimed Christ to be the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world, they did not believe.
But we know from Scripture that at His first coming Christ would not establish His visible Kingdom on earth. However, He made it clear to both His disciples and His enemies that He would do so at His Second Coming, "with power and great glory".
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:30)
The interesting thing is that even that saved thief on the cross understood that Christ would come to establish His Kingdom, and he asked that he would be remembered at that time. And Daniel had made the reference to the Son of Man and His eternal Kingdom on earth long before Christ was crucified.
DANIEL 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him. [Note: Jesus was making reference to this verse when He also mentioned "the clouds of Heaven", which is metaphorical for the clouds of saints and angels who would surround Christ at His Second Coming from Heaven]
14 And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever...
22 Until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom...
27 And the Kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.
Really, this isn't the same thing at all. With all due respect, this example has absolutely no bearing at all on what you guys where discussing. You were talking about the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. This verse you quoted has NOTHING AT ALL IN ANY WAY to do with what was being discussed. It's not even a bad argument, it's a "what on earth are you talking about", completely off topic "argument".
No God is taking this world and putting it under Himself exactly like He said He would. Like leaven through the loaf, like the mustard seed growing into a tree, until birds nest in it's branches and the beast rest in it's shade. You find offence in us saying our God is King right now? See where your view leaves you? Talking down our Lord Jesus. Please don't take offense to this, I am not saying you don't love Jesus, are not saved, or any other stuff like that, but step back and check your position.
The early Christ followers went to their brutal deaths proclaiming Jesus Christ as King, we say that Jesus is King right now, but let me quote you " No wonder people think Jesus is a joke if there are people spreading the rumor that Jesus is ruling as King right now. Pretty pathetic."
First off great way to speak to a brother, second you just denied Jesus Kingship and called Him a joke right now if He's King.
Ummm, okay????? The world IS better now, and I see His LIGHT everywhere growing around me. Look at how much this world has improved this last 2,000 years, It is INSANE how much better travel is, medicine, charity, governmental systems, on and on and on. Is there a ton of wickedness in the world? Um, yea that's been a thing every since the fall, and the only reasons you know of all this wickedness in the world is because of the crazy speed of communication now, if we didn't have this so much of it would still happen in the dark. You see the US and conclude "ah the sky is falling", but how much do you know of the church in China? How about south America? Yep BLOWING UP, you should look into it. So inspiring.Let me lay something out for you to see written out-
You-The world's going to hell, evil is going to take over, but we will be good. We are waiting any day to get sucked out of out britches to sit in heaven with Jesus to watch the world burn together, oh and by the way Jesus is NOT King yet, we are waiting for Him to come on the clouds and bring His kingdom so we can point to it and say "there it is". (same mistake the Jews make even today)
Me- Jesus Christ is King today ruling from His throne at the right hand of the Father, with ALL authority in heaven and on EARTH granted to Him, ruling until every enemy is put under His feet, we are to therefore GO and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in His kingdom that will know no end. Amen. Jesus brought salvation and judgement on the covenant breakers at the end of the age. Not world, age and it all happen already. Now we make disciples of ALL nation. Holla-Boo-Ya
Right. And Jesus spoke of this, in the passage of Luke 19:12,15,17,19 [parallel Matt25:14-30] -
12 Therefore He said, “A certain man of noble birth proceeded to a distant country, to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.
13 And having called ten of his servants, he gave to them ten minas and said to them, ‘Do business until that I come back.’
14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We are not willing for this man to reign over us.’ [recall, this is what Joseph's brothers said of him (Gen37:8), re: his FIRST dream (his FIRST dream paralleling and concerning Christ's FIRST advent; his SECOND dream paralleling things concerning His SECOND advent)]
15 And it came to pass, on his returning, having received the kingdom, that he directed these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, in order that he might know what each had gained by trading.
16 And the first came up, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has produced ten more minas.’
17 And He said to him, ‘Well done, good servant! Because you were faithful in very little, you are to be having authority over ten cities.’
18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’
19 And he said to this one also, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ [note: 'cities' are on the earth; see also the "FUTURE tense" of the wording in Rev19:15b (re: "nations"), and Rev2:26-27 speaking of others besides Jesus alone, and Rev5:9-10 read in conjunction with Rev1:5b-6a (with the understanding that Rev1:1/4:1/1:19c[/7:3] is referring to the FUTURE aspects of the Book, not the same as "the things which ARE" / the NOW, and which "future" things, v.1 says, "must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"... thus, are future yet to us )]
Nobody said they were is my point. Again, you're taking about the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God, no body is saying God and heaven are the same thing, you made that up on your own.
Me - Jesus is prince and Savior right now (Acts 5), interceding on our behalf. He is a king in waiting. I am looking for that blessed hope when the Lord calls His bride out of here, the marriage of the Lamb occurs, and we return with Him to reign with Him on the earth. He will be King and rule with a rod of iron. Righteousness and peace will be on earth.
If you check a good concordance (I use Young's) and look up Kingdom in both Matthew and Luke you will find that the majority
of kingdom references in Matthew use Kingdom of Heaven and in Luke the majority use Kingdom of God. I have read that the reason
for this is believed to be that Matthew was written mainly for Jewish Christians who would be offended at seeing Gods name being used
but Luke was written for mainly Gentile readers who would have no problem seeing it in print. The few exceptions in both Gospels could be due to ancient copying errors.