The Legal Standard of Covenants

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Aaron56 said:
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absolutely!!!
there is no such 'creature' as a ghost in any form and never will be.

God determined the Family structure will be the perfect way to enjoy wonderful RELATIONSHIPS that endure for ever.
I look forward with indescribable joy at being a Son in God's Family for eternity.

or would you prefer a partnership
or a corporation
or an LLC ???
How about a sub S

Do you have a better Idea?
Why is He called the Father and why is He called The Son??
What is another purpose of God, for a family?? look it up in Genesis
 
memberofthebride said:
absolutely!!!
there is no such 'creature' as a ghost in any form and never will be.

God determined the Family structure will be the perfect way to enjoy wonderful RELATIONSHIPS that endure for ever.
I look forward with indescribable joy at being a Son in God's Family for eternity.

or would you prefer a partnership
or a corporation
or an LLC ???
How about a sub S

Do you have a better Idea?
Why is He called the Father and why is He called The Son??
What is another purpose of God, for a family?? look it up in Genesis
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So just to be clear, you do not believe in the Holy Spirit, correct?
 
Aaron56 said:
So just to be clear, you do not believe in the Holy Spirit, correct?
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I do not believe in ghost --period.. explain how a ghost fits in with a family, with a father and son?

Yes, the Holy Spirit IS the ONE Spirit of the Father and Christ and the Father put it in ME.
It is that ONE Spirit the Father raise Christ back to Spirit and set Him at His Right hand.

and no I find to reason in scripture to accept the trinity! I know some scriptures were added around the 16 Century --bogus

here is something I ran into on the web;

“During the Middle Ages, Christian translators created a way to make the English Bible ---- reflect -- their belief---
---that the Holy Ghost was not the Holy Spirit.---

These theologians -- coined the phrase--- "Holy Ghost" to designate the Third Person of the Trinity. In contrast, they used "Holy Spirit" to refer to the Spirit of God or Spirit of the LORD encountered by the Hebrews and Jews in the Old Testament.

Then, in the 16th century, Bible printers reinforced this distinction by introducing capital and small letters. In the OT they used "spirit" and "holy spirit." In the NT they printed "Spirit" and "Holy Ghost," but with subtle distinctions.

These translation and printing differences do not exist in the Bible itself, in either Hebrew or Greek.

They are invented theological biases – imported - into the (English) Bible.

They provided both verbal and visual validation for the already existing “conviction”
that Christianity --- must be separated from its Hebraic/Jewish foundations.""----- Which created a whole another set of problems
 
memberofthebride said:
I do not believe in ghost --period.. explain how a ghost fits in with a family, with a father and son?

Yes, the Holy Spirit IS the ONE Spirit of the Father and Christ and the Father put it in ME.
It is that ONE Spirit the Father raise Christ back to Spirit and set Him at His Right hand.

and no I find to reason in scripture to accept the trinity! I know some scriptures were added around the 16 Century --bogus

here is something I ran into on the web;

“During the Middle Ages, Christian translators created a way to make the English Bible ---- reflect -- their belief---
---that the Holy Ghost was not the Holy Spirit.---

These theologians -- coined the phrase--- "Holy Ghost" to designate the Third Person of the Trinity. In contrast, they used "Holy Spirit" to refer to the Spirit of God or Spirit of the LORD encountered by the Hebrews and Jews in the Old Testament.

Then, in the 16th century, Bible printers reinforced this distinction by introducing capital and small letters. In the OT they used "spirit" and "holy spirit." In the NT they printed "Spirit" and "Holy Ghost," but with subtle distinctions.

These translation and printing differences do not exist in the Bible itself, in either Hebrew or Greek.

They are invented theological biases – imported - into the (English) Bible.

They provided both verbal and visual validation for the already existing “conviction”
that Christianity --- must be separated from its Hebraic/Jewish foundations.""----- Which created a whole another set of problems
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Ghost is a bad translation.

You said "There are only two".
Do you recognize God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? This is what is commonly called "The Trinity" doctrine.
 
Aaron56 said:
Ghost is a bad translation.

You said "There are only two".
Do you recognize God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? This is what is commonly called "The Trinity" doctrine.
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I follow, I obey the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit is not a being, not an entity, it is that ONE SPIRIT of the Father. God is spirit!
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,

If the Holy Spirit was a third entity, then it is the father of Jesus and not God the Father as it is recorded
she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. So who is the Father??

Paul wrote we can understand the spiritual by the physical
a human mother and father produce a child by sperm and an egg
the Father's spiritual sperm/seed is His Spirit by which He impregnated Mary.
When we are impregnated by the Father's Spirit, He becomes our father and we are then a spiritual fetus waiting to be born from above as HIS SON, into Spirit. 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,

when born from above at the first resurrection -- we will be like Jesus Christ, like HIS Glorious Body!
I am giving you more than you want --- the TRUTH of God is so incredible and the many can not see it. they see a ghost that makes no sense.
 
memberofthebride said:
the TRUTH of God is so incredible and the many can not see it. they see a ghost that makes no sense.
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Or, perhaps, what you believe is not found in scripture.

So, Who is being sent and Who is speaking to the disciples in these verses?

"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me."
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
 
Aaron56 said:
Or, perhaps, what you believe is not found in scripture.

So, Who is being sent and Who is speaking to the disciples in these verses?

"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me."
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
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God The Father's ONE Spirit that proceeds from the Father.

you do understand translators, translate according to their own beliefs.
the word "HE" is not directly referring to a person, a being. the KJV was translated around many false doctrines.

Lexical Summary
ekeinos: that, that one, he, she, it
Original Word: ἐκεῖνος
Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
Transliteration: ekeinos
Pronunciation: eh-KAY-nos
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-i'-nos)
KJV: he, it, the other (same), selfsame, that (same, very), X their, X them, they, this, those
NASB: those, one, this, other, these, those things, very
Word Origin: [from G1563 (ἐκεῖ - there)]

1. that one
2. (neuter) that thing
{often intensified by the article prefixed}

Why does the spirit not have a name, it is "wind, breath, spirit? even the angels have names
why does in never speak in the first person?
Why does Paul, in his letters never include this ghost, He only uses the Father and the Son.
2Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

what a slight!!!

nope not a believer in ghosts!
 
memberofthebride said:
That is not what the prophecy in Isaiah states.

From the mind that some call legalist,
If the God that freed Israel, can have a man put to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath,
can then change 180 degrees, end the Sabbath, making it nothing, just another day
I will not serve or follow that god.
a god that can change 180 degrees, can also turn on a dime and cast me aside.
that is something I would expect from Satan.
The GOD I follow changes NOT!
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God has changed the way He deals with mankind. He has not changed. Be glad that God has changed His methods. Otherwise, we would all be drowned as Noah's generation were drowned. The New Covenant is new because it is new. God has not changed. He had the New Covenant in mind from before time began.

Sacrificing animals foreshadowed the sacrifice of God's Lamb, Jesus. If you are so keen on the law, you should relocate to Israel and start killing goats to atone for your sin. Israel will suit you. They observe the food laws and the sabbath. Either you obey God's law fully or you do not. Good luck obeying God's law fully. There is no temple to worship at.
 
Gideon300 said:
Already done, more times than I want to think about. I get tired of wasting my time with those, like you, who reject God's clear truth.
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Repeating your same misunderstanding of the Bible instead of engaging with what I've said does not counter my position. The Mosaic Law is truth (Psalm 119:152), so I'm not the one who is rejecting God's clear truth.
 
Aaron56 said:
Jesus said "A new commandment I give to you..."
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^This excerpt is from the introduction to the topic of the OP...
memberofthebride said:
That is not what the prophecy in Isaiah states.

From the mind that some call legalist,
If the God that freed Israel, can have a man put to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath,
can then change 180 degrees, end the Sabbath, making it nothing, just another day
I will not serve or follow that god.
a god that can change 180 degrees, can also turn on a dime and cast me aside.
that is something I would expect from Satan.
The GOD I follow changes NOT!
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re: Jesus said...
Why do you call me Lord and not do what I say?
 
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Gideon300 said:
God has changed the way He deals with mankind. He has not changed. Be glad that God has changed His methods. Otherwise, we would all be drowned as Noah's generation were drowned. The New Covenant is new because it is new. God has not changed. He had the New Covenant in mind from before time began.

Sacrificing animals foreshadowed the sacrifice of God's Lamb, Jesus. If you are so keen on the law, you should relocate to Israel and start killing goats to atone for your sin. Israel will suit you. They observe the food laws and the sabbath. Either you obey God's law fully or you do not. Good luck obeying God's law fully. There is no temple to worship at.
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the blood of bulls and goats do not atone for sin, only by the ONE sacrifice of Jesus Christ is that possible.

if it does not bother you to believe that God can put a person to death for a sin and the next day remove the penalty of death for that sin??
That is not the God I find in the Word, if that works for you, that is acceptable, then it show me why you believe what you do.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
So God changed something
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Fact: the Plan of God begins with the physical and is brought into the spiritual, not a change, an improvement, a planned progression

Adam then Christ
physical Covenant then spiritual Covenant
Passover lamb then Christ
physical earth then spirit earth

When Christ is on earth only then will He open the Books to human understanding
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

this is describing the 2nd resurrection, when all those that lived and died in the 6000 years before Christ returned, are resurrected and given their ONE opportunity for eternal life, then there will be only ONE Church of God not 45,000

notice; according to their works. not belief in Christ --- Christ wants action not words that vanish as they leave ones mouth
 
Mem said:
Your assertion that God never changes suggested that He does nothing new.
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I just posted this one

Fact: the Plan of God begins with the physical and is brought into the spiritual, not a change, an improvement, a planned progression

Adam then Christ
physical Covenant then spiritual Covenant
Passover lamb then Christ
physical earth then spirit earth

When God says He will make all things new this is what He means, the physical is temporary, the spiritual is eternal
the human body is a temporary dwelling place, a tabernacle, the spirit body we are raised to at the First resurrection is eternal.
 
memberofthebride said:
Fact: the Plan of God begins with the physical and is brought into the spiritual, not a change, an improvement, a planned progression.
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So Improvement isn't change? Oh OK. Is putting on better clothes a change of clothes?

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52​
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
So Improvement isn't change? Oh OK. Is putting on better clothes a change of clothes?

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52​
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God does not change --- sin is sin and always will be.

and I understand only God can change your mind! and HE will when it is your time
 
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