The Lord's Flesh & Blood

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I feel confident that a knowledge of the origin of Christ's body is essential to
properly understanding the Lord's Supper (a.k.a. Communion).

His blood began its curious odyssey first by divine edict.

● 1Pet 1:18-20 . . For you know that it was not with perishable things such
as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed
down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a
lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the
world.

His flesh began its own curious odyssey via Adam and his wife Eve.

● Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

To my knowledge, none of Eve's children were virgin-conceived; but even
had they been, those would've still been Adam's children because her body
was made with materials taken from his.

● Gen 2:21a-22a . . So the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon the man; and,
while he slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that spot.
And the Lord God fashioned the rib that He had taken from the man into a
woman

The Hebrew word for "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the
only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an
English word representing a skeletal bone. In the other twenty-nine places,
it's translated "side" which is really how tsela' should be translated because
according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from Adam included some of his
flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11) then
I think it's safe to assume that the flesh God took from Adam's body to
construct the woman contained some of his blood too.

The most important thing to note in that passage is that Eve wasn't created
directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: she wasn't a discreet creation, i.e.
Eve wasn't her own unique specie.

Being as Eve was constructed from Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the
flesh, blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood,
and bones. Therefore any and all progeny produced by Eve's body, whether
virgin-conceived or normally conceived, would consist of Adam's body, i.e.
they would be his progeny just as much as Eve's if any part of her body was
in any way at all involved in the conception.
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I think I may have to disagree here. Firstly I think remembering that mary was given the holy spirits seed is important for understanding this topic. He was in the first place holy spirit born and that I think is what made his blood so precious. his bodily flesh according to all accounts was not unlike anyone elses it worked and appeared just like any other humans body. But adam and eve were given that prophecy or rather the serment to let the enemy know that he would not have the last laugh.

Jesus was not from Adams bloodline he came from David's bloodline and the body itself is of it's own origin not from anyone elses
 
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The Lord's body was not only Eve's biological progeny, but also David's.

● Luke 1:31-32 . . the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father.

When Joseph adopted Jesus into Solomon's lineage, it gave the child a legal
opportunity to inherit David's throne, but it didn't give him a natural
opportunity, viz: in order to fully qualify as a candidate for the throne, Jesus
absolutely had to be David's biological progeny.

● Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to
David My servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build up your
throne to all generations

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not
turn back: Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.

● Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto
David. His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the natural requirement in
those Psalms.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:

● Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny. But the seed in Rom 1:1-3 is
biological progeny because David's seed is "according to the flesh" i.e. his
physical human body.

David's seed according to the flesh not only validates Jesus' natural
candidacy for David's throne, but also verifies that Adam was Jesus'
biological progenitor because the Bible traces David's lineage all the way
back there in Luke's genealogy.

But even without Luke's information, it's easy to prove that Adam was
David's biological progenitor simply by referring to the fact that all human
beings, regardless of race or color, are Adam's biological progeny; which of
course includes David.

● Gen 3:20 . .The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the
mother of all living.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man God made every nation of men, that they
should inhabit the whole earth.

Now, unless somebody can prove clearly, conclusively, iron clad, and without
spin and sophistry that David's body was in no way biologically related to
either Eve's body or Adam's, then we have to conclude that baby Jesus'
body was also biologically related to Eve's and Adam's bodies due to his
natural descent from David, and then there's also this to consider too:

● Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

Just about everybody agrees that passage in Genesis refers to Christ.
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Well techinally yes everyone at one point was from adam and eve but if you notice there is a difference in blood lines and those bloodlines are what separate the people not the original two humans. Yes From Abraham came david and from david came Christ but before the separation of languages everyone was technically related however once the separation of languages happened so did the bloodlines. The Jews and gentiles are not of the same bloodline just as the jews and the egyptians are not of the same blood line.

More than flesh blood has always had great signifiance in God's plan and it isn't flesh that saves it's blood. Adam and eve were way before the separation of languages and bloodlines and so connecting Jesus's body blood or spirit to them is not accurate
 
We neither wrestle against flesh and blood or are we strengthen by it. As corrupted rudiments they have no power of itself
What it needed is the unseen breath of spirit life .The spiritual seed Christ.

Literal blood without spirit is dead . Blood like water simply represent the unseen eternal Spirit .Literal blood of its self has no value when it comes to eternal life.

We are commanded in John 6 to drink the blood of men .Surely that metaphor must be defined because drinking literal blood is a abomination .
 
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● Eph 2:3 . . .We were by nature objects of wrath.

When Eve tasted the forbidden fruit, it had no effect. She went right on just
as naked as before without the slightest feelings of shame. It wasn't till
Adam tasted the fruit that her conscience was altered.

Eve was born before Adam tasted the fruit; so he could not, nor did he, pass
it on to her biologically by means of procreation, nor by means of his body
parts that God used to construct Eve.

Now, the question is: Whence did Eve obtain her so-called fallen nature?
Well it clearly wasn't from the chemistry of the fruit because it had no effect
upon her. And it didn't come from Adam either because she was born before
he ate it.

We're left with two alternatives: either God did it or the Serpent did it. My
money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (John 8:44, Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with
the human body and the human mind, e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph
2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield the power of death
the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me
how quickly it sets in. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, they both
immediately set to work with the fig leaves.

In other words: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological
father, the child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the so-called
fallen nature because it's not passed on by one's biological father nor one's
biological mother. It's obtained from humanity's other father: the Devil--
ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a
simple matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him.

FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's wishes that sin and death come into the world via
a man's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the
world via a man's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his deadly work on people. . . in the womb
or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)
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FAQ: If it's true that the Lord's body was David's biological progeny, and
true that David's body was Eve's biological progeny, and true that Eve's
body was Adam's biological progeny, then it must be that Christ's body was
Adam's biological progeny. Well then; how was Christ not affected by the so
called original sin?

A: Christ shared the ramifications associated with eating the forbidden fruit
just the same as all the rest of Adam's biological progeny.

● Rom 5:12-13 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

The term "all sinned" is grammatically past tense; indicating that everyone,
that is in any way, biologically related to Adam, even those yet to be born,
are accounted as having tasted the forbidden fruit for themselves back then,
in real time, i.e. right along with Adam.

The iron-clad evidence that the Lord was effected by Adam's sin was his
death. Had Christ been 100% clear of Adam's transgression, his body
would've been immortal; viz: impossible to kill.

● Rom 5:17 . . By the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that
one man

FAQ: What does any of this Adam stuff have to do with the Communion
service?

A: Primarily because it's a sin to partake of the Lord's Supper while not
knowing anything about its details.

● 1Cor 11:28-29 . . A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the
bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without
recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

It's important to know that the diners don't eat 100% sinless flesh in the
communion service. They eat flesh tainted by at least one sin: Adam's. The
reason being that they eat the Lord's natural flesh-- the flesh that hung on
the cross --rather than his supernatural flesh-- the flesh that's now seated
alongside God up in heaven.

However, in reality, the diners are eating flesh tainted by far more sins than
only Adam's; their own sins are in the mix too.

● Isa 53:6 . . Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

FAQ: How can we be sure that the Communion elements represent the
Lord's natural flesh?

A: Because during the last supper, Jesus designated his soon to be crucified
body rather than the body he has now.

● 1Cor 11:23-26 . . The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took
bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my body,
which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.

. . . In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying: This cup is the
new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance
of me. For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the
Lord's death until he comes.
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● John 6:53 . . I tell you the truth: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of
Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

I'm not dead, I'm alive, or so I thought anyway. Apparently the kind of life
that I have as a creature is existence, which is in some way, somehow,
technically different than life. So then, if I exist without life; then I must be
a dead man walking, so to speak.

Well; in point of fact, the kind of life that Jesus spoke of is eternal life; which
is quite a bit different than human life.

● John 6:54 . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Eternal life is impervious to death; simply put, it cannot be killed nor can it
grow old and die. Jesus had it prior to his crucifixion.

● John 5:26 . . As the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son
to have life in himself.

● 1John 1:1-2 . .That which was from the beginning, which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands
have touched-this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life
appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the
eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

Eternal life and Immortality are not synonymous, viz: they are not two ways
to say the same thing. The two are juxtaposed in 2Tim 1:10; where the
terms are connected with a conjunction. They aren't connected with a verb,
so that you can't say eternal life is immortality; no, eternal life and
immortality are two distinctly different subjects.

Jesus had eternal life but it didn't prevent his death on the cross.

And according to John 6:54, the apostles had eternal life too, but it didn't
prevent their deaths either. They're all gone.

Note the grammatical tense of the statement below; it's present tense rather
than future, indicating that when people correctly eat and drink the Lord's
flesh and blood, they obtain eternal life immediately-- no delay and no
waiting period.

● John 6:54 . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Whereas according to 1Cor 15:51-53, they obtain immortality later.

Most importantly; seeing as eternal life can't be destroyed, then there is no
need to keep coming back for it over and over again on a weekly basis. One
helping of eternal life is all somebody needs because eternal life doesn't get
old, it doesn't wear out, it doesn't get weak, nor does it die, i.e. once
somebody has eternal life, they're stuck with it.

● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world that he gave His one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

● John 10:27-28 . . My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they
follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish
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