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HisHolly
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Perhaps an issue with you that you seem to be stubborn about? I never feel that way... He complies lists of related scripture and truth nicely and I enjoy it..
The man of sin / the man of righteousness
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Very true, when I was being attacked by the sinless doctrine and thought I was hell bound he taught me what grace is and I had the strength to stand once again and to keep moving forward.
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HisHolly
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You guys dig at him.. if he's not the interpreter but the messenger it's not for him to explain.. we all have access to the Holy Spirit, get your help there.. why explain when you guys are ready to cut any answer that isn't what you're looking for?
If it encourages you then good however it's not that I am stubborn it's that i know the heart behind his posts as he has shown his heart to many here many many times
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HisHolly
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Its been revealed to you by the Holy Spirit? If so I digress but if not then it's opinions and I carry on
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eternally-gratefull
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I have never been bombarded by the sinless doctrine.
However, I have been bombarded with law, rules and regulations, and how if I was saved, I would not do certain things. Well. I have never seen ONE person come to God AND have meaningful life change when being bombarded all the time.
However, since i found true grace, I see people every day who have a sincere love For god, and a life that shows it. (not that they stopped sin and never mess up, But that they are people focused, Our serving others, Less about self more about sacrifice..
No offense Blain, but God, His Word and His Holy Spirit are my guide, not any man. Too many people get mislead when they follow carnally minded men, and not God. Also too many people seek to be honored by men so they tell men what they want to hear, but not always according to the Truth in God's words. Those who are of the world will receive their own, which is why many are offended in me. Paul understood that trying to be pleasing to men should not be the main objective, as Jesus also taught the same, and that teaching is to seek the honor that only comes from God alone first and foremost.
John 5:43-44
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
All born-again believers that are "in Christ" and are always "in Christ". In this respect we always "abide/remain" in Christ because we are one with Him in our inner man - the new creation.
In Christ is a position - it is our identity which is all based on what He has done in the cross and resurrection. We have died with Christ on the cross and we have risen from the dead to become a new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.
The believer is one spirit with the Lord. 1 Cor 6:17. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we have believed when we heard the gospel message of the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to us.
There is also walking "by the spirit" - which is the new nature of the inner man which is Christ and not being deceived by the deceitfulness of sin which is in our flesh.
Jesus is the Vine - we are the branches. The branch bears fruit..it does not produce it.
Without Him we can do nothing. We are to remain/abide/rest in the Lord - abide/remain/rest in the Lord and what He has done for us in His finished work. John 15.
When we abide in Christ's finished work on the cross and walk by the spirit - then His life flows out from us to bear His fruit to a hurt and dying world that needs to see His love and grace for them.
The life of the Vine supplies the "sap" needed for the bearing of fruit but it is His fruit that is produced in us.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not a lazy passive existence. When we know that God has already provided everything we need and we access His wisdom, provision, strength by faith - we'll be governed by the Holy Spirit in a highly strategic and active life.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not an inactive lifestyle. It's a Spirit-led lifestyle where we flow in good works ( His fruit bearing in us ) that God had planned for us all along.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our obedience in action.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our warfare.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our faith in action.
Hebrews 4:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
There is a vast difference between "us" doing things and the Lord doing things through and in us.
We can do things in our own flesh like Abraham tried to fulfill the will of God by creating an Ishmael or wait for the Lord to work through us to produce the child of promise - Isaac. Galatians 4:22-24, 30
Psalm 127:1 (NASB)
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.
In Christ is a position - it is our identity which is all based on what He has done in the cross and resurrection. We have died with Christ on the cross and we have risen from the dead to become a new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.
The believer is one spirit with the Lord. 1 Cor 6:17. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we have believed when we heard the gospel message of the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to us.
There is also walking "by the spirit" - which is the new nature of the inner man which is Christ and not being deceived by the deceitfulness of sin which is in our flesh.
Jesus is the Vine - we are the branches. The branch bears fruit..it does not produce it.
Without Him we can do nothing. We are to remain/abide/rest in the Lord - abide/remain/rest in the Lord and what He has done for us in His finished work. John 15.
When we abide in Christ's finished work on the cross and walk by the spirit - then His life flows out from us to bear His fruit to a hurt and dying world that needs to see His love and grace for them.
The life of the Vine supplies the "sap" needed for the bearing of fruit but it is His fruit that is produced in us.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not a lazy passive existence. When we know that God has already provided everything we need and we access His wisdom, provision, strength by faith - we'll be governed by the Holy Spirit in a highly strategic and active life.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not an inactive lifestyle. It's a Spirit-led lifestyle where we flow in good works ( His fruit bearing in us ) that God had planned for us all along.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our obedience in action.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our warfare.
Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our faith in action.
Hebrews 4:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
There is a vast difference between "us" doing things and the Lord doing things through and in us.
We can do things in our own flesh like Abraham tried to fulfill the will of God by creating an Ishmael or wait for the Lord to work through us to produce the child of promise - Isaac. Galatians 4:22-24, 30
Psalm 127:1 (NASB)
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.
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HisHolly
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It's an area not for you yet then, still babes.. I enjoy them.. we are all in different places in our walk.. it's telling of lack of understanding to cut down what does encouraging work for others... It's not of the devil if it's helpful.. it's just that some aren't ready.. if you can't handle it and you know it either don't look at it or work to come up..
Would you believe me if I said that the holy spirit was the one revealed it to me? I am not here to attack him as you saw i was trying to help guide him in his purpose to edify the church however if the fruits of his threads do not edify the church then perhaps he is going about this the wrong way.
It's a simple matter to post scripture and words that appear to be of God however the heart behind it is the deciding factor and if we take words at face value we can be deceived into thinking it's of God that is after all how the false prophets and teachers nab so may people however if we know the voice of the holy spirit well he gives us discernment and also allows us to read the hearts of others to point.
If you are being pricked in the heart by the conviction of the Holy Spirit because of your sins, then they are effective.
How do you know it's not the holy spirit speaking through me to you? This is after all one of the most common ways God speaks to his children the only thing is the receiver has to have a heart to be able to listen and recognize his voice
Don't assume that you know our hearts, I don't think it's for you to say who is a babe or not
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HisHolly
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our position is based on Christ and what He did, our identity/security is in our choices.. it's as tho you want people to sleep and just take it easy, there there.. Much more action is needed than what comes across to me in your posts.. if I am wrong then I'll have to apologize
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HisHolly
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But you know his heart but I can't 'guess' yours.. I'm sorry but what you say, doesn't sit well with me..
A babe in Christ is one that is not established in the word of righteousness. Heb 5:13-14.
Anytime we think that we can maintain our own righteousness by what we do - we are still a babe in the Lord. They can't discern between what is their own attempts of righteousness and relying on the Lord's righteousness for life and living.
The mature ones know the difference between the good and evil of the word of righteousness. The good being Christ's righteousness - the bad being our righteousness attempts.
They know when they are relying on Christ's righteousness or their own D.I.Y self-righteousness which nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives.
The ones that receive the gift of Christ's righteousness and get established in that word. - they start to grow in the Lord. Rom. 5:17. This is the true man of righteousness which is in Christ being manifested - our total reliance on the finished work of Christ and His righteousness.
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HisHolly
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I do watch people on these forums.. many of you are just off.. it's to your own misfortune.. take the scriptures and enjoy them.. easy.. reading into it only shows you're hunting.. to the pure all is pure
I know his heart well enough to know the motives behind his posts but it was never and never will be my place to say if he is a babe in Christ or not that is another matter entirely
Then let me ask you this- look at this thread what fruit do you see? is it edification or is it exactly the fruit I spoke about?
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eternally-gratefull
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I will say again, ISIT has been here for years, He has a reputation. And he has been in an all out war with this thing he calls HYPER-GRACE for months now.
You are new here, maybe you do not know, or maybe you agree wiht him so see nothing wrong with it.
For the rest of us. Please do not judge us if we take what ISIT says with a grain of salt and a hint of reservation that he has good intentions, based on his reputation.
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