The Millennium literal or symbolic?

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If anyone likes to read a long book, read Augustine city of God. Great work i think

 

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I repeat, have you seen the lion eat straw like the Ox?

Have you seen prey and predator animals and their young lying down with each other and a young child leading them around?

Do we currently live in a world where a young child can play near a Cobra's den or stick his hand in a vipers nest and not be hurt at all?

Do we live in a time where if a man only lives to be a hundred years old that he will be thought to be mere child and accursed?

The above are all characteristics that will exist during the millennial kingdom. The truth is, we are not seeing any of those characteristics which would demonstrate that we are not living in the millennial kingdom.

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The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together;and a little child will lead them.

The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.

They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. - Isaiah 11:6-9

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That time of peace will be the state of the entire world for all people, until the end when Satan is released from the Abyss.

Stop teaching these false teachings!

These things are describing the kingdom and the spirits that inhabit the kingdom.

The kingdom began on the Day of Pentecost when people received the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Ours is a spirit kingdom. Lk 17:20-21,21, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or Lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

These examples, prophecies, show how the spirits of the beasts have changed into the spirit of the lamb with it's benefits.

You might even say that it shows the gentile nations entering into the covenant, that is, the beasts become lambs, in the spirit.

If you are looking for these things to happen in some future time, in a "literal" interpretation, ..... lions will not be eating straw (unless he is really hungry, in which case, it looks like it's lamb chops for dinner).

 

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1 Cor 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Paul is describing "death" in figurative terms as an enemy, he gives us more information regarding this enemy:

1 Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

A scorpion has a stinger that delivers death - without that "sting" it's just an insect. The power in the scorpions sting is the venom, and by analogy the venon /sting in the death Paul is speaking of was in the law because of sin.

The old covenant and it's law symbolizing and encompassing the sin of Adam was done away in the 1st century AD - according to Hebrews that old covenant was near to passing away when the letter was written.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

When the law passed with the destruction of the temple in the war of 66-70AD the "sting" of death was destroyed.

Paul stated the law was a "covenant/ministry" of death.

2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.

What this means is that "O grave" i.e. Hades was emptied and death no longer holds on to those who physically die, therefore death as the enemy was destroyed - the "enemy" was still active when Paul wrote, but ceased with the passing of the old covenant.

Death under the new covenant does not have the sting of the old law.

Death is destroyed?

If you say so.

People don't die anymore?

I guess when people die,

It's just fake news.

 

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People will always physically die, it's the natural/physical way of things, what was destroyed was death's hold on people in Hades.

The Greek word Paul used translated as "destroyed" is katargeo

G2673 katargeo kat-arg-eh'-o

from G2596 and G691;

to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively.

Christ never came to "destroy" physical death.

Through death is the transformation into the spiritual body:

1 Cor 15:35-37 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?”

You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.

 

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1 Cor 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Paul is describing "death" in figurative terms as an enemy, he gives us more information regarding this enemy:

1 Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

A scorpion has a stinger that delivers death - without that "sting" it's just an insect. The power in the scorpions sting is the venom, and by analogy the venon /sting in the death Paul is speaking of was in the law because of sin.

The old covenant and it's law symbolizing and encompassing the sin of Adam was done away in the 1st century AD - according to Hebrews that old covenant was near to passing away when the letter was written.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

When the law passed with the destruction of the temple in the war of 66-70AD the "sting" of death was destroyed.

Paul stated the law was a "covenant/ministry" of death.

2 Cor 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.

What this means is that "O grave" i.e. Hades was emptied and death no longer holds on to those who physically die, therefore death as the enemy was destroyed - the "enemy" was still active when Paul wrote, but ceased with the passing of the old covenant.

Death under the new covenant does not have the sting of the old law.

If I might expand on this...? Maybe this will help some.

The last enemy "DEATH" which was destroyed in 70 AD, was spiritual death (separation from God) meaning death would no longer have the sting of Hades. Today, there is no death for a believer. John puts it this way, making the same point as Paul:

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Notice John isn't saying once you die physically you pass to spiritual life. Instead he is saying once you accept Christ, you pass from spiritual death to spiritual life and will not face judgment. You have everlasting life at that moment. For you, death has been defeated!!

This final enemy, (after the apostate Jews were destroyed in 70 AD) was Death. Here's Paul again, explaining who the OTHER enemies were in his day.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Therefore the enemies were the non-believers of his day.

 

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Brother,

Hello Endoscopy,

That the statue of Daniel is represented by Babylon (head of gold), Medo-Persia (chest and arms of silver), Greece (stomach and thighs of bronze),

These are YOUR words.

Rome (legs of iron) and the revived or extension of Roman (ten-toed kingdom) which is still future with the feet made of partly iron and partly baked clay.

You teach that when the, beast/antichrist/dragon/iron-toes kingdom comes, that it is Rome.

So why get angry with me?

Take another look at the beast that comes out of the abyss and kills the 2 witnesses Rev 11:7.

The beast is Rome and can only be Rome.

You say it with your own words.

Please take a fresh look at the passages in light of this.

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Rom 8:6: For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

This is for our milk drinking, futurist friends:

First understand the nature of the Kingdom of God. It is not some future, physical government (like Rome was) established on earth in Jerusalem by Christ that everyone can see. It is 100% spiritual established in the spiritual dimension ("in the air"), both in heaven and on earth. Believers who have died physically and those of us alive physically belong to the Kingdom of God together, right now, united as one. There is no future kingdom for any of us to enter. When we die, we leave this physical realm behind and become glorified and then can see all the things now invisible to our physical eyes, and can then experience all the blessings and rewards of the kingdom of which we are already members.

Not understanding this concept is killing you guys and is the main reason you think the "millennium" is a future, visible event. The kingdom does not come with observation so when it came nobody saw it!!

In Rev 1, John tells us specifically BACK THEN, that Christ was already ruler over the kings of this earth. He is ruling over them in the spiritual, eternal realm. It is NOT a future event. John is writing to the 7 churches of his day and writing contemporaneously.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father.

See? Christ was already ruler over the kings and John was already a king and priest, "has made" not "will make." If Christ's millennium reign was to be a future event to us, the above statements would be false.

 

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People will always physically die, it's the natural/physical way of things, what was destroyed was death's hold on people in Hades.

The Greek word Paul used translated as "destroyed" is katargeo

G2673 katargeo kat-arg-eh'-o

from G2596 and G691;

to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively.

Christ never came to "destroy" physical death.

Through death is the transformation into the spiritual body:

1 Cor 15:35-37 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?”

You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.

Physical death is only one facet of death, as long as there is physical death, death will still exist.

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When a person dies a physical death, what happens to the soul?

Some are saved, but then, some souls are cut off from God after physical death.

As people are dying a physical death, their souls are also dying to God (separation) after death.

So every day, when people die, they suffer the eternal death of separation from God and His blessings completely.

Death will not be destroyed until after physical death and spiritual death (eternal separation from God and His blessings) are completely gone.

 

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If I might expand on this...? Maybe this will help some.

The last enemy "DEATH" which was destroyed in 70 AD, was spiritual death (separation from God) meaning death would no longer have the sting of Hades. Today, there is no death for a believer. John puts it this way, making the same point as Paul:

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Notice John isn't saying once you die physically you pass to spiritual life. Instead he is saying once you accept Christ, you pass from spiritual death to spiritual life and will not face judgment. You have everlasting life at that moment. For you, death has been defeated!!

This final enemy, (after the apostate Jews were destroyed in 70 AD) was Death. Here's Paul again, explaining who the OTHER enemies were in his day.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Therefore the enemies were the non-believers of his day.

There is a world that exists after 70 ad, not everything was fulfilled by then.

There isn't any hope for us if everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.

No resurrection, no judgement, no wedding with Jesus, no chance of eternity with God, no real heaven after we die.

All fulfilled, all done with, nothing to look forward to, all fulfilled in 70 ad.

Don't fall into the snare.

 

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Death is destroyed?

If you say so.

People don't die anymore?

I guess when people die,

It's just fake news.

Romans 6:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Luke 20:[SUP]34 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:[SUP] 35 [/SUP]But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:[SUP] 36[/SUP]Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

I believe Him. Jesus does not give fake news.

 

[Enow]

These things are describing the kingdom and the spirits that inhabit the kingdom.

The kingdom began on the Day of Pentecost when people received the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Ours is a spirit kingdom. Lk 17:20-21,21, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or Lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

These examples, prophecies, show how the spirits of the beasts have changed into the spirit of the lamb with it's benefits.

You might even say that it shows the gentile nations entering into the covenant, that is, the beasts become lambs, in the spirit.

If you are looking for these things to happen in some future time, in a "literal" interpretation, ..... lions will not be eating straw (unless he is really hungry, in which case, it looks like it's lamb chops for dinner).

Before the flood, all animals and mankind lived off of the herbs of the land as the herbs were meat for all of them.

Genesis 1:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.[SUP] 30 [/SUP]And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.[SUP]31 [/SUP]And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

it was after the flood that the fear of man came upon animals.

Genesis 9:1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

So when God speaks, that is the reality set. God is God. There is no way you can take the two events to mean metaphorical. Those were literal changes in the living things in the world just by God saying so that had caused a shift in how living things sought their meat after.

So when His words says that the lion will eat hay like an ox, I believe Him. You should too.

 

[Enow]

Seeing as the opponents of Covenant Eschatology are bringing up the millennium in a thread discussing dispensationalism and progressive dispensationalism in an attempt to derail the thread this is their opportunity to have it out in whether John's millennial reign in the book of revelation is symbolic or literal.

Rev 20:6 (Young's Literal) Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When the condition of that a thousand years is dependent on when Satan shall be released from the pit, then yes, that is Christ reigning as the King of kings on earth as prophesied that He would as Israel's Messiah.

Zechariah 14:1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Had the King of kings come yet with the pre raptured saints? No. Did the Mount of Olives divide in two when His feet landed on it yet? No. Has ALL nations been gathered to battle against Jerusalem yet? No, since the fall in 70 A.D. was caused by only one nation.

Zechariah 12:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Has that day come when Israel finally realized that they had crucified their Messiah when He delivers them by destroying all nations that come against Jerusalem yet? No.

So Jesus is coming as the King of kings to set up His millennium reign on earth. Count on it. You do not get to be called the King of kings for nothing.

 

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There is a world that exists after 70 ad, not everything was fulfilled by then.

There isn't any hope for us if everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.

No resurrection, no judgement, no wedding with Jesus, no chance of eternity with God, no real heaven after we die.

All fulfilled, all done with, nothing to look forward to, all fulfilled in 70 ad.

Don't fall into the snare.

My position is that the resurrection for the saints happened sometime between 66-70 AD at the "Parousia of Christ" (AKA the Second Coming). They were freed from captivity in Hades and their souls caught up to Jesus. Those Christians alive in 70 AD were caught up spiritually during the same parousia. It happened "in the air" which is the spiritual realm. It was not a physical gathering of the living.

This spiritual gathering was the wedding. The "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" = "the supper of the Great God" from Rev 19. The bodies of the supper where the birds gathered to eat the flesh were the bodies in Jerusalem of 70 AD. Following all of this, Christ returned with the deceased saints to heaven while the living saints remained on earth until their natural deaths.

From this event (which many call "the rapture") in 70 AD until today, when a believer dies, he/she immediately go to heaven and receive their glorified bodies. Their resurrection happened at salvation when they put to death the old man and became new. So, I don't know why you think there is nothing to look forward to? There is plenty to look forward to such as eternity with God, no more pain, etc.

 

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Romans 6:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Luke 20:[SUP]34 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:[SUP] 35 [/SUP]But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:[SUP] 36[/SUP]Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

I believe Him. Jesus does not give fake news.

So according to you, Christians do not die a physical death?

If Christians do die a physical death, then death is not destroyed.

 

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Before the flood, all animals and mankind lived off of the herbs of the land as the herbs were meat for all of them.

Genesis 1:[SUP] 29 [/SUP]And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.[SUP] 30 [/SUP]And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.[SUP]31 [/SUP]And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

it was after the flood that the fear of man came upon animals.

Genesis 9:1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

So when God speaks, that is the reality set. God is God. There is no way you can take the two events to mean metaphorical. Those were literal changes in the living things in the world just by God saying so that had caused a shift in how living things sought their meat after.

So when His words says that the lion will eat hay like an ox, I believe Him. You should too.

These things, lamb/lion etc,, are symbolic of the kingdom that began on Pentecost.

Are you saying that these are not symbolic at all?

That there is absolutely no symbolism connected to the passages?

Do you see any symbolism in the snake or the lion?

 

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Back to the Op. The concept of two ages (Mosaic and Messianic) and how they differ is 100% lost on the dispensationalist. The "mystery" of the Messianic Age to come, as spoken of by the prophets, was fully revealed in Revelation. The transition from Mosaic to Messianic was completed at the fall of the Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD. The differences between the two ages is vast, HUGE, enormous and sadly lost on many.

The Mosaic age was "the flesh age" while the Messianic age is the "spirit age." The "rules" of the two ages are and were completely different, strikingly so. The flesh age was associated with death while the spiritual age is associated with life, physical vs. spiritual. Until the Spiritual or Messianic Age arrived, no man could enter heaven; their souls trapped in Hades. But Christ, and only Christ, had the keys to Death and Hades and He freed those souls. We all need to recognize how HUGE this event was as our salvation (ability to be with God in the afterlife) depends on it. The Blood of Christ was the vehicle for making this happen. It was the fulfillment of all which was previously foretold, but not fully understood, by the prophets.

There was a 40- year transition period between the two ages called, "the last days," or "fullness of times" that the Children of God were awaiting throughout the OT centuries. Just as there was a 40- year transition from Egypt to the Promised Land to begin the Mosaic Age, we have the same transition period for the Messianic Age. The purpose of both was to allow the wicked to die off before the righteous could inherit the promises. We had this in 70 AD as all those following the Law, the religious leaders and people (AKA apostate Israel), were killed.

The revelation of the "mystery" came during the "last days" (30-70 AD) of the Mosaic Age (Heb 1:2). When Paul said the unveiling of this mystery defined his ministry (1 Cor 4:1). This unveiling explained that "true" "saved" Israel after the flesh enters life in the spirit (Rom 11).

While many of the less informed of us today are still waiting for the mystery to be revealed, Paul announced that it was ALREADY revealed in Eph 1:9-11:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, [SUP]10 [/SUP]that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will...

Eph 3: [SUP]5 [/SUP]which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: [SUP]6 [/SUP]that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel..

Eph 5: [SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Eph 6: [SUP]19 [/SUP]and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel...

So you see, the mystery of the gospel for salvation and the change in how we get to heaven was revealed!! ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN MADE KNOWN TO US.

In the Olivet, Jesus said the end of the Mosaic Age would come after the "great tribulation" (of Israel) in which "not one stone would be left upon another", when the temple fell. The parousia (presence) of Christ with His Church in the Messianic Age would remain. This new KINGDOM of GOD, which was near to them, has arrived and remains and has filled the earth as foretold by Daniel. In this new age (our age) things hidden - the mystery - would no longer be hidden.

John's vision perfectly matches the Olivet given by Jesus. After the judgment of apostate Israel, the great tribulation, is over, there is nothing left to reveal. The mystery of how God established the Messianic Age is finished. The sounding of the 7th trumpet completed the transition from the Mosaic to the Messianic Age which is our unity in Christ, thus completing the mystery. We are in the EVERLASTING KINGDOM WHICH WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED right now!!!

And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

Christ has no more work to do, IT IS FINISHED!!

You are ignoring the fact that Revelation is not an open book where only minor things can be argued about. In the last several centuries theologians have created four different views over this book. Only Daniel has the same issue and they both are prophecy books filled with symbols making them unclear. Only after the fact do these symbols make sense. The statue in Daniel for example. While Christ's work on the cross is finished the understanding of Revelation and parts of Daniel are shrouded in mystery.

 

[Enow]

So according to you, Christians do not die a physical death?

If Christians do die a physical death, then death is not destroyed.

If you read the scripture, this is referring to after the resurrection.

The first reference speaks of Jesus Who dieth no more.

The second reference is about believers made worthy by Him and kept worthy by Him after the pre trib rapture event when they dieth no more.

But in one sense, those alive and abiding in Christ will be changed as the dead in Christ shall rise first and together they shall inherit that promise of dying no more at that pre trib rapture event; so a time will come when His disciples living at the time of the pre trib rapture may never experience physical death.

As it is, your reply is in error since I was not advocating that christians do not die a physical death when clearly that is not what the scripture references were testifying of.

Death will be destroyed along with hades when it is cast into the lake of fire which will be done at the great white throne judgment that takes place after Satan staged a last rebellion which is after Christ's millennium reign on earth.

So death is not destroyed yet until it is being cast into the lake of fire which is the second death, but it will be done at the white throne judgment along with Satan & his angels and those whose names are not found in the Book of Life.

 

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Im just dropping by to burst the preterist bubble but yall are in a massive delusion.

The church aint ruling over the world, yall must be dreaming. Try reading the newspaper every once in a while, the devil sure dont look bound to me. He seems to be busy deceiving the nations, in fact he seems to be deceiving the churches too, most churches today look more like circus' with their skinnyjeans wearing pastors and rock music and other foolery to try to lure the world in, SURPRISE it dont work. Christianity isnt supposed to be loved by the world.

The devil is infact so busy deceiving the world, he done deceived you to thinking this is as good as it gets! BIG MISTAKE!

 

[Endoscopy]

Im just dropping by to burst the preterist bubble but yall are in a massive delusion.

The church aint ruling over the world, yall must be dreaming. Try reading the newspaper every once in a while, the devil sure dont look bound to me. He seems to be busy deceiving the nations, in fact he seems to be deceiving the churches too, most churches today look more like circus' with their skinnyjeans wearing pastors and rock music and other foolery to try to lure the world in, SURPRISE it dont work. Christianity isnt supposed to be loved by the world.

The devil is infact so busy deceiving the world, he done deceived you to thinking this is as good as it gets! BIG MISTAKE!

Where did you get the idiotic notion that Christ rules today? I didn't see any credible post in this thread to that effect. The prophecies are clear that once He takes the throne here on earth all that will end.

 

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The church aint ruling over the world, yall must be dreaming. Try reading the newspaper every once in a while, the devil sure dont look bound to me. He seems to be busy deceiving the nations.

In most nations the church is now expanding at an unprecedented rate. Its the US and the like that's in decline. But Jesus said He had bound the devil in the coming of the Rule of God (Matt.12.28-9). It expanded later at Pentecost, That's good enough for me.

in fact he seems to be deceiving the churches too, most churches today look more like circus' with their skinnyjeans wearing pastors and rock music and other foolery to try to lure the world in, SURPRISE it dont work. Christianity isnt supposed to be loved by the world.

lol that makes us better than you

The devil is infact so busy deceiving the world, he done deceived you to thinking this is as good as it gets! BIG MISTAKE!

If the devil were really free things would be a lot worse. He is limited by God. Rev 9,

(And I'm not a preterist)