The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

[pinebeach]

The Apostles under the leading and anointing of the Holy Spirit accepted Paul as an Apostle

As I said.

 

[DallasMan]

STRAW MAN ARGUMENT.

 

[mailmandan]

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Stop sinning is a present imperative with a negative which means to stop an action which was in progress. In context we see it was the sin of denial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul is not talking about sinless perfection in contradiction to (1 John 1:8-10). Your sin which remains in progress that you need to stop is the sin of slander against the brethren.

 

[DallasMan]

Stop sinning

Remember? Your claim is it's not possible to lose salvation.

Are you now claiming sins are not automatically washed away now?

If so you are in opposition to the doctrine you have been claiming is true.

 

[mailmandan]

Remember? Your claim is it's not possible to lose salvation.

Are you now claiming sins are not automatically washed away now?

If so you are in opposition to the doctrine you have been claiming is true.

Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time, exactly like Jesus Christ? (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[DallasMan]

Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time, exactly like Jesus Christ? (1 John 1:8-10)

Your claim is that I am sinning.

Based on the doctrine you believe it's all good and I'm still saved IF I were doing sin.

Your claim is it's not possible to lose salvation, remember?

So your question is a moot point based on what you claim to believe

 

[mailmandan]

Your claim is that I am sinning.

Based on the doctrine you believe it's all good and I'm still saved IF I were doing sin.

Your claim is it's not possible to lose salvation, remember?

So your question is a moot point based on what you claim to believe

Nobody is without sin. (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

 

[DallasMan]

Nobody is without sin. (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

Well then continue living in sin and be happy

Those ignorant of the new birth and being led of the Holy Spirit continue living in sin

 

[kovin3ii]

The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

The old covenant was the covenant God made with Israel at Sinai, and Scripture says plainly that this covenant was the Ten Commandments. Deuteronomy 4:12–13 says, “The Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire… So He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” The same truth is repeated in Exodus 34:28: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” These commandments were spoken directly by God and written by His own finger. Deuteronomy 5:22says, “These words the Lord spoke… with a loud voice; and He added no more. Then He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.” This was the covenant Israel entered into, and this covenant stood as the foundation of their relationship with God.

The prophets later spoke of a new covenant, not because the commandments were changed or removed, but because Israel did not keep the covenant they had entered. Jeremiah 31:31–32 says, “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers… My covenant which they broke.’” The new covenant would be different in how it works, not different in the righteousness it requires. God does not say He will erase His law. Instead He says what the new covenant contains. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make… I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” The change is not the removal of the commandments. The change is the location of the commandments. Instead of being written only on stone, they would be written inside the heart of the believer.

Jesus confirmed this with His own words and actions. Jesus taught that the commandments remain God’s will. In Matthew 5:17 He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” In Matthew 19:17 He told the seeker, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Jesus also showed what love for Him means. John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Jesus is not replacing the Father’s commandments. He is confirming them. In John 15:10 He says, “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” The new covenant does not remove obedience. It brings a new kind of obedience through the Spirit.

Jesus also fulfilled what the prophets wrote about the Spirit being given to those who believe. John 7:38–39 says, “He who believes in Me… out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.” And after His resurrection, Jesus said in John 20:22, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” The Spirit does not replace the commandments; the Spirit writes them into the heart, just as Jeremiah said.

The new covenant also includes forgiveness in a deeper and final way. In Jeremiah 31:34 the Lord says, “I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” Jesus confirmed this at the Last Supper. Matthew 26:28 says, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” The new covenant brings cleansing, pardon, and a renewed heart so that the believer can walk in God’s ways with joy and strength.

The Scriptures also teach that the kingdom of God grows in this age, even while not all receive it. Jesus said in Matthew 13:31–32 that the kingdom is “like a mustard seed… which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs.” And in Matthew 13:33 He said the kingdom is like leaven that spreads through the whole lump. The growth of the kingdom continues until He returns. Yet only those who believe receive the Spirit now. John 1:12 says, “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God.” And those who receive Him walk in His words because His law is written in their hearts, as the prophet declared.

This is the distinction the Scriptures give. The old covenant was the Ten Commandments written on stone and heard at Sinai. The new covenant is the same Ten Commandments written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, joined with the forgiveness and life that come through the blood of Jesus. Jesus confirmed the commandments by His teachings, kept them perfectly in His life, and through the Spirit He gives, He enables His people to keep them from the heart. The kingdom grows as the word spreads, but only the true believers receive the Spirit now and have God’s commandments written within them until the day He returns.

You stay close to the text and that is the strength of your argument. Jeremiah makes it clear the change is where the law is written, not what the law is. Jesus confirms this by calling obedience the fruit of love, not a system to be discarded. The Spirit empowers obedience from the heart, He does not replace God’s commands.

 

[mailmandan]

Well then continue living in sin and be happy

Those ignorant of the new birth and being led of the Holy Spirit continue living in sin

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I never said I was living in sin (practicing sin). 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. That is in regard to one's lifestyle or bent of life. You seem to take great pleasure in being a false accuser of the brethren, which I find very disturbing.

 

[pinebeach]

You stay close to the text and that is the strength of your argument. Jeremiah makes it clear the change is where the law is written, not what the law is. Jesus confirms this by calling obedience the fruit of love, not a system to be discarded. The Spirit empowers obedience from the heart, He does not replace God’s commands.

And yet you say you are unsure of your spiritual status. So that makes us unsure of what you stand for

 

[DallasMan]

I never said I was living in sin (practicing sin). 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. That is in regard to one's lifestyle or bent of life. You seem to take great pleasure in being a false accuser of the brethren, which I find very disturbing.

What you DO claim however as a follower of the OSAS heresy is that if a person got saved and continued living in sin they would still go to Heaven.

You continually claim "it's not possible to lose your salvation" and by making that claim you acknowledge that those who are saved and continue in sin did actually get saved and you believe they'll be be saved if they continue you in sin.

Face it, you are a teacher of heresy and the reason for this is you sadly don't accept all the Lord teaches in His Word.

In the end teaching heresy as you are doing is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says in His Word is one of the things that cause people to not be allowed in His Kingdom and you are causing others to stumble by teaching OSAS heresy

So you actually are living in sin, but are too deceived to know it. Sad for you man. Too bad.

 

[pinebeach]

What you DO claim however as a follower of the OSAS heresy is that if a person got saved and continued living in sin they would still go to Heaven.

You continually claim "it's not possible to lose your salvation" and by making that claim you acknowledge that those who are saved and continue in sin did actually get saved and you believe they'll be be saved if they continue you in sin.

Face it, you are a teacher of heresy and the reason for this is you sadly don't accept all the Lord teaches in His Word.

'But but but God! I judged everyone who did not agree with me. What do you mean that was not my place to call people heretics. I was doing you a favor.'

Since you got here, just about all your posts are condemming others, correcting others, accusing others or if you agree, you add to the post. Well yay for you. smh Trying so hard to pick fights with others.

 

[DallasMan]

Since you got here, just about all your posts are condemming others, correcting others, accusing others or if you agree, you add to the post. Well yay for you. smh Trying so hard to pick fights with others.

Only the heretics and those repeating the false teachings of the heretics.

The lesson here son is - DON"T be a heretic!

 

[mailmandan]

What you DO claim however as a follower of the OSAS heresy is that if a person got saved and continued living in sin they would still go to Heaven.

I NEVER claimed that. You remain guilty of slander.

You continually claim "it's not possible to lose your salvation" and by making that claim you acknowledge that those who are saved and continue in sin did actually get saved and you believe they'll be be saved if they continue you in sin.

That is your continued straw man argument.

Face it, you are a teacher of heresy and the reason for this is you sadly don't accept all the Lord teaches in His Word.

Face it, you are a false accuser of the brethren and you need to repent.

In the end teaching heresy as you are doing is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says in His Word is one of the things that cause people to not be allowed in His Kingdom and you are causing others to stumble by teaching OSAS heresy

I actually prefer the terms "preservation of the saints" (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) or "eternal security of the believer" (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30) over OSAS because of all the negative connotations that people like you (who suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome) automatically attach to it.

So you actually are living in sin, but are too deceived to know it. Sad for you man. Too bad.

I'm neither living in sin/practicing sin nor am I deceived about it and you are certainly not my judge. Your slander is noted. A false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren are two of seven sins that the Lord hates and are an abomination to Him. (Proverbs 6:16-19)

 

[DallasMan]

'But but but God! I judged everyone who did not agree with me. What do you mean that was not my place to call people heretics. I was doing you a favor.'

Thank you for that little skit that demonstrates you don't even know what the Lord taught concerning judging in His Word.

Jesus tells us to judge righteously

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The only way to judge righteously is to compare what people do and say to what God's Word teaches.

He also warns that we will be judged with the judgement that we judge with (reap what we sow - Gal 6:7,8)

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

So, if someone is believing or doing something that is obviously in opposition to what God's Word teaches... it's not "judging" them to point out what they believe or do is in opposition to what God's Word teaches

By the same token, we should apply God's Word to ourselves and we should actually judge ourselves

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

The purpose of this is to submit ourselves to the Lord so that He does not have to judge us as spoken of in 1 Corinthians 11:32.... the Lord would much rather have us come to Him in submission and ask / believe for His leading / teaching so we can keep ourselves on the path that leads to life and not get off on the path that leads to death (separation from God)

1 Corinthians 5:11-13
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

[DallasMan]

That is your continued straw man argument.

You have a bright future as a liberal politician, always sidestepping what they really believe

you are a false accuser of the brethren and you need to repent.

That's what the tares say all the time when they get caught teaching a different "jesus" and a different "gospel"

I actually prefer the terms "preservation of the saints" (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) or "eternal security of the believer" (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30) over OSAS because of all the negative connotations

Because you and your ilk twist God's Word claiming it's not possible for anyone to ever lose salvation even if they live in sin.

Then you and your ilk go around proudly proclaiming that you are still sinners as you continue to express your ignorance of what the Word of the Lord actually teaches through cherry pickin.

 

[DeepSeeker]

I think these are fruitful discussions !

 

[DallasMan]

I think these are fruitful discussions !

But some are being fruity not fruitful.