"The ONE Spirit...

[GRACE_ambassador]

"

“Endeavoring to keep the Unity of the Spirit in the bond
of peace. There is one body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye
are called in one hope of your calling” (Eph. 4:3,4).​

The second “Unity” of The Spirit handed down to us by the Apostle Paul is
The Glorious Truth that there is ONE Spirit...

...The Person of The Spirit is not under consideration as much as His
Administration...

...the apostle assumes we are already acquainted with the Person of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, his primary motivation in making reference to the ONE Spirit is to point
out that a major dispensational Change has taken place in The Work of the Spirit. It
is important then to distinguish Carefully between The Role of the Holy Spirit under
the Kingdom gospel, and His Role under The Gospel of the Grace of God...

"
(P Sadler)

FULL study:
The ONE Spirit

GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:15-17, 20-21, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:15, 26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:12-14‬ ‭

This is the apostles role to teach the thkngs jesus taught them but to explain those things further they are teaching from the foundation of what Jesus already established

like this Jesus preached the gospel and said this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


and this

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63

When your reading Paul of you’ve heard the gospel forst you can see how he is speaking from what Jesus already made plain and opening it up for us so it makes more sense

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus

hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭

the freedom is here

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is how we can really benefit from Paul’s wonderful letters to the church to which he belonged. To know that he is not starting nothing new he is witnessing what Jesus established beforehand to the world

if we don’t hear the gospel Paul’s doctrine doesn’t make any sense what’s the law of the spirit of life ? What doctrine is Paul talking about that can set us free from serving sin ?

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18‬ ‭

It’s Paul speaking from what Jesus already had said

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.( free from what they ask we are not slaves )


Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. ( all
Men were )

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

Paul is a revelator of the gospel not the creator

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Precious friends, in better words than I can say:

"

In Matthew_3:11, John the Baptist predicted that the Lord Jesus would
Baptize people “with the Holy Ghost.” Peter later identified the fulfillment
of this promise as the filling of the Spirit that took place at Pentecost
(Acts_1:4,5 cf. 2:4).

This Baptism “with” the Spirit Caused Him To Take Control of the believers,
and rendered them incapable of sinning (I John_3:9). But it is important to
notice that at Pentecost, the Lord Jesus Was The Baptizer, and He Baptized
people “with” the Spirit.

I Corinthians 12:13 speaks of a Different Baptism altogether. Here Paul
teaches that today, in the dispensation of Grace, believers are Baptized
“BY” the Spirit “into” the Body of Christ.

Here the Spirit Is The Baptizer, Baptizing us “into” Christ. That
is Different than at Pentecost, where Christ Was The Baptizer,
Baptizing people “with” the Spirit.

The results of These Baptisms Differ also. The Baptism of
I Corinthians 12:13 Places us into the Body of Christ, which
did not even exist yet at Pentecost. The Baptism at Pentecost,
on the other hand, enabled them to live without sin.

Finally, the Baptism at Pentecost was the fulfillment of the
prophecies in Joel_2:28,29 and Ezekiel_36:26,27, while the
Baptism of I Corinthians 12:13 is not found in prophecy,
for it is The Subject Of The Mystery.

Hence while being filled and controlled by the Spirit at Pentecost
was a “promise” that needed only be “received” (Acts 2:33), today
it is a goal (Eph. 5:18). All the Pentecostal saints had to do was
“wait” for it (Acts_1:4), while we must strive for it."
(R Kurth)

GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Precious friends, in better words than I can say:

"

In Matthew_3:11, John the Baptist predicted that the Lord Jesus would
Baptize people “with the Holy Ghost.” Peter later identified the fulfillment
of this promise as the filling of the Spirit that took place at Pentecost
(Acts_1:4,5 cf. 2:4).

This Baptism “with” the Spirit Caused Him To Take Control of the believers,
and rendered them incapable of sinning (I John_3:9). But it is important to
notice that at Pentecost, the Lord Jesus Was The Baptizer, and He Baptized
people “with” the Spirit.

I Corinthians 12:13 speaks of a Different Baptism altogether. Here Paul
teaches that today, in the dispensation of Grace, believers are Baptized
“BY” the Spirit “into” the Body of Christ.

Here the Spirit Is The Baptizer, Baptizing us “into” Christ. That
is Different than at Pentecost, where Christ Was The Baptizer,
Baptizing people “with” the Spirit.

The results of These Baptisms Differ also. The Baptism of
I Corinthians 12:13 Places us into the Body of Christ, which
did not even exist yet at Pentecost. The Baptism at Pentecost,
on the other hand, enabled them to live without sin.

Finally, the Baptism at Pentecost was the fulfillment of the
prophecies in Joel_2:28,29 and Ezekiel_36:26,27, while the
Baptism of I Corinthians 12:13 is not found in prophecy,
for it is The Subject Of The Mystery.

Hence while being filled and controlled by the Spirit at Pentecost
was a “promise” that needed only be “received” (Acts 2:33), today
it is a goal (Eph. 5:18). All the Pentecostal saints had to do was
“wait” for it (Acts_1:4), while we must strive for it."
(R Kurth)

GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

it’s like following a spinning top trying to follow your teachings, you continually spin circles around basic truths of the Bible

“I Corinthians 12:13 speaks of a Different Baptism altogether


“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to constantly explain why there’s another secret grace baptism and spirit based on a servant of Jesus Christ and preacher of the only gospel , filled with the only spirit , baptized with the only baptism believing the one God

is just an endless circle

for you to conclude Jesus partook of some other baptism is a circle , for you to conclude John the Baptist and his ministry preceding Christs ministry isn’t where the term baptism comes from is a circle , for you to conclude Paul was preaching a different gospel is a circle , that Paul had some other commission than what Jesus said to him is a circle

the trouble with going in circles is you never arrive at any destination you just go in a circle when one does that and no ground ever gets covered but a ditch forms and makes it harder and harder to come out of the ruts , it’s too bad and is sad because the message Jesus already gave us is better than anything we can imagine or invent and try to replace it with

Paul is a Christian , he believed in Jesus Christ , was baptized into Jesus Christ , preached Jesus Christ and his kingdom , acknowledged Jesus is his lord , fought hard for the glory of Jesus name , revealed mysteries found in Jesus words , lives his entire life after conversion pursuing Jesus Christ and seeking to become more like Jesus

everything he had to say is based on what e lord had already said to constantly preach some other answers than what shod gave is a terrible idea or is intended either way it’s sad to see someone unable to acknolwedge such vast delusions

 

[Jocund]

"

​

“Endeavoring to keep the Unity of the Spirit in the bond​

of peace. There is one body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye​

are called in one hope of your calling” (Eph. 4:3,4).​

The second “Unity” of The Spirit handed down to us by the Apostle Paul is
The Glorious Truth that there is ONE Spirit...

...The Person of The Spirit is not under consideration as much as His
Administration...

...the apostle assumes we are already acquainted with the Person of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, his primary motivation in making reference to the ONE Spirit is to point
out that a major dispensational Change has taken place in The Work of the Spirit. It
is important then to distinguish Carefully between The Role of the Holy Spirit under
the Kingdom gospel, and His Role under The Gospel of the Grace of God...

"
(P Sadler)

FULL study:
The ONE Spirit
GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

What do you mean by "Person of the Holy Spirit" vs. "Same person"?

Who are you alleging Christ baptized?

What is this distinction you are attempting to create with "filled" vs. "be filled" in point 3?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What do you mean by "Person of the Holy Spirit" vs. "Same person"?

Who are you alleging Christ baptized?

What is this distinction you are attempting to create with "filled" vs. "be filled" in point 3?

he’s trying to create an alternate gospel that says you don’t have to believe the gospel preached and taught in scripture.

he believes the apostle Paul , is the originator of the “ gospel of grace “ which he thinks is a dofferent gospel from the gospel Jesus Christ preached which is full of grace and truth .

he believes this baptism whoch Jesus was baptized with

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 4-5, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

isn’t the right baptism even though the church kept practicing the same only adding Christs name to those getting baptized for remission like these

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He thinks there’s some other form of being baptized with the spirit and receiving the spirit from Jesus , isnt being baptized with it

In short he’s read far too many Joseph prince books and the Bible doesn’t make sense to him

 

[wattie]

If a group is empowered by the Holy Spirit.. which was called baptism for what happened in Acts..

This group was already saved... first point

Second... if a group is baptized.. do each individual in the group get the same experience?

I would contend when a group is baptized it has nothing to do with receiving salvation.. but is the Holy Spirit coming to be 'in the midst' of one of His churches. They become one of God's churches.

An individual alone being baptized by the Holy Spirit? I don't see in scripture.