The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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You guys just don't get it do ya?
The epitome of hating our brothers and sisters in Christ is to cast doubt on their eternal life. That if they don't somehow measure up to YOUR standards ,their salvation may hang in the balance.
You don't have the love of God if you believe salvation can, in any way, be lost for a believer.
The epitome of hating our brothers and sisters in Christ is to cast doubt on their eternal life. That if they don't somehow measure up to YOUR standards ,their salvation may hang in the balance.
You don't have the love of God if you believe salvation can, in any way, be lost for a believer.
I see it as the ego being empowered by those who insist they must help Jesus to keep his word.
His sermons about the Gospel, his death on the cross, wasn't enough when someone subscribed to works salvation doctrine.
Those believers first believe they can save themselves by works,because the works of Jesus was lacking in its ability to fully transform their life.
And I believe this is how those same believers also believe they can release their salvation, and return to their former state of unredeemed and dead in sin.
Which, at least for me, says they never knew what good news was to begin with. Because coming into the full understanding of the fate of a sin nature would preclude anyone from wanting to go back.
His sermons about the Gospel, his death on the cross, wasn't enough when someone subscribed to works salvation doctrine.
Those believers first believe they can save themselves by works,because the works of Jesus was lacking in its ability to fully transform their life.
And I believe this is how those same believers also believe they can release their salvation, and return to their former state of unredeemed and dead in sin.
Which, at least for me, says they never knew what good news was to begin with. Because coming into the full understanding of the fate of a sin nature would preclude anyone from wanting to go back.
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The Person who is truly Saved has experienced God's Blessings through having the indwelling of the Holy spirit and believe me --NO ONE who has experienced God's Blessings and the Holy Spirit's enlightenment will ever want to denounce Christ --their lives have just been made to good to even think about denouncing Christ ----that is a truly Saved forever person -----THE ONCE SAVED WILL ALWAYS WANT TO STAY SAVED ------
God's blessings ----to His Children
Protection ---against your enemies
God's favor to give you opportunities beyond your human capabilities----
Healing both Spiritually and Physically ---
Guidance in your every day life ----
Stability in all you do ----
Prosperity ---gives success in whatever you put your hands to -----
Provision----will supply all your needs
Peace in your Body --Mind and Spirit ----
Ask yourself ----would you give these Blessings up to go back to this Cursed World and be under Satan's rule again ----to live under the Curses of God ------
Only those who have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who have not experienced God's Blessings and ---who just think they are saved will remain unsaved ----and just think they have lost their Salvation that they didn't have in the first place -----they are under the Curses of God not the Blessings ----
Want to know the curses ----all unbelievers remain under the curses -----Deuteronomy 28
You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and
the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. [1]
The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.
The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish.
The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies.
I say -----
I don't think there is much hope for a True Saved Christian leaving God's Blessings to go back into the Curses -----
Jesus said this -----warning to those who just think they are saved ------by doing good works ---going to Church on sunday ----or that God's Love has saved them ----or by believing that Jesus is the Messiah by their own human intellectual faith is enough all that is need to be saved ----etc ----so much false Doctrine out there to make one believe they are Saved ------BUT they are NOT -----
God's blessings ----to His Children
Protection ---against your enemies
God's favor to give you opportunities beyond your human capabilities----
Healing both Spiritually and Physically ---
Guidance in your every day life ----
Stability in all you do ----
Prosperity ---gives success in whatever you put your hands to -----
Provision----will supply all your needs
Peace in your Body --Mind and Spirit ----
Ask yourself ----would you give these Blessings up to go back to this Cursed World and be under Satan's rule again ----to live under the Curses of God ------
Only those who have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who have not experienced God's Blessings and ---who just think they are saved will remain unsaved ----and just think they have lost their Salvation that they didn't have in the first place -----they are under the Curses of God not the Blessings ----
Want to know the curses ----all unbelievers remain under the curses -----Deuteronomy 28
You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and
the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. [1]
The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.
The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish.
The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies.
I say -----
I don't think there is much hope for a True Saved Christian leaving God's Blessings to go back into the Curses -----
Jesus said this -----warning to those who just think they are saved ------by doing good works ---going to Church on sunday ----or that God's Love has saved them ----or by believing that Jesus is the Messiah by their own human intellectual faith is enough all that is need to be saved ----etc ----so much false Doctrine out there to make one believe they are Saved ------BUT they are NOT -----
Not sure I agree with this.
Those that the Father has given to Jesus will not be lost.
Jesus said he would not lose one of them (expect incoming because many on here belive he will lose them because they will renounce their faith)
Therefore those that the Father has given to Jesus will not renounce their faith but can struggle and wander of the path but Jesus seeks them out and brings them back.
I attest to that cause I am of one them.
Those that the Father has given to Jesus will not be lost.
Jesus said he would not lose one of them (expect incoming because many on here belive he will lose them because they will renounce their faith)
Therefore those that the Father has given to Jesus will not renounce their faith but can struggle and wander of the path but Jesus seeks them out and brings them back.
I attest to that cause I am of one them.
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I don't speak in tongues and have been told I am not saved.
Been told I'm not saved because I have been baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit only.
Any other burdens to be added to salvation?
We are saved by faith through grace. ONLY THAT.
As a result those who repent of the sin of unbelief in Jesus will want to be like him.
It's the Holy Spirit who works in us to be like Jesus.
Been told I'm not saved because I have been baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit only.
Any other burdens to be added to salvation?
We are saved by faith through grace. ONLY THAT.
As a result those who repent of the sin of unbelief in Jesus will want to be like him.
It's the Holy Spirit who works in us to be like Jesus.
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We get baptized in the name of the Father when He chooses you to receive His Holy Spirit by granting the repentance necessary for you to turn to Him for forgiveness. You get baptized in the name of the Son, when through preaching, you put your faith and trust on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. You get baptized by the Son in the name of the Holy Spirit when both Father and Son enter our beings through this portal. We become part of the body of Christ and in the family of the Father. The road to damnation is wide and the road to salvation is narrow, and few are those that find it. When you are truly saved, you know it because you can feel the love that is in you.
He will lose none.
Those believers who continue in a life of sin or continue in a life of human good WILL BE SAVED.
Saved as if through fire, is all their WORKS being burned up.
What we are witnessing on this thread is believers who are relying on their works, fruits, following commands to maintain their salvation. They have fallen away from Christ ALONE.
Saved, but an unfruitful life.
Those believers who continue in a life of sin or continue in a life of human good WILL BE SAVED.
Saved as if through fire, is all their WORKS being burned up.
What we are witnessing on this thread is believers who are relying on their works, fruits, following commands to maintain their salvation. They have fallen away from Christ ALONE.
Saved, but an unfruitful life.
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John said those born of God can nto continue in a life of sin..
those who do have never seen or known God.
1 John 3:
. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
The language used here is on going habitual sin..
those who do have never seen or known God.
1 John 3:
. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
The language used here is on going habitual sin..
Yes, our new nature CANNOT SIN and will not sin.
Our flesh has never seen Him nor known Him.
If we grieve or quench the Spirit.....We are operating from our flesh and not abiding in Him.
1 John 1:9....Sadly many believers do not use Gods plan for them to get back in fellowship/abiding.
Saved as if through fire.
Our flesh has never seen Him nor known Him.
If we grieve or quench the Spirit.....We are operating from our flesh and not abiding in Him.
1 John 1:9....Sadly many believers do not use Gods plan for them to get back in fellowship/abiding.
Saved as if through fire.
Sounds to me like you're making things up. I can just as easily take the other side and say the epitome of hating our siblings is to make them think there is nothing expected of them in the Christian Life. God's Standards are our concern and frankly the concern of all mankind even if they don't want this to be the case.