The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

[Trula]

In that 1 cor chapter, Paul said clearly that tongues are a sign to the unbelievers. My claim is based on that verse.

It’s like healing, they also serve as signs but of course, that does not mean there are no other benefits. It clearly benefits the one being healed, for example.

I fully understand why the gift of tongues was given in Acts. It served its purpose well.
But what I see today is that those who say they have the gift are not using it in the same manner nor for the same purpose so that is why I say I see no value in it today.
I do not need the gift of tongues when witness to others, I have the Bible and we speak the same language.
I will also say that I so not need the gift of tongues to know without a doubt that His Spirit is present with my spirit.
I do not need a physical outward sign to know that He is there.
So , no I do not feel any guilt as you suggest.
I am not here to mock or offend any of you, but at the same time I object to those that suggest that because my belief is different that I am in some way less spiritual, less useful in the Lord's service or even as some have suggested, do not possess the Holy Spirit.

There is a local preacher I have had this discussion with several times and each time we end our discussion, his last word to me is
"I am praying for your salvation."
He is certain I am not saved because I do not speak in tongues.

TO DWR----THE TRUTH-
You are not less spiritual than others because you do not speak in tongues, that depends on your time in the word and in God's presence. As I mentioned to you before, there are some who stopped using their gift and "fell asleep", but because they lacked spending time in the word and with God. And, you don't have to have this gift to be saved either. HOWEVER, you are going against the scripture that states:
1Cor 14:1
Pursue [this] love [with eagerness, make it your goal], yet earnestly desire and cultivate the spiritual gifts [to be used by believers for the benefit of the church], but especially that you may prophesy [to foretell the future, to speak a new message from God to the people].

And unfortunately, this local preacher you mentioned is dead wrong if he is somehow insinuating that you have to have this gift to be saved. But you should in turn pray for him to be illuminated! So, for your sake, and not to prove this preacher right or wrong, pursue the gifts as written in scripture. Don't let this preacher make you hold a grudge (which would be understandable, but not advisable) and forego a supernatural walk with God.
And by the way, when I replied to one of your posts where you "X" disagreed with Kelby, it was God who told me to tell you that you were blessed. I did not write that because I was being a good little Christian, or because I wanted to diffuse any possible retaliatory anger from you. No, instead, I was going to write more, when God told me to write that you are blessed. Why? I have no idea. All I know is that He must love you very much to interrupt my writing to tell you that. -And, this is 100% true. Now, this is from me: May God continue to bless you, regardless of which path you decide to take. Amen.

 

[Trula]

I fully understand why the gift of tongues was given in Acts. It served its purpose well.
But what I see today is that those who say they have the gift are not using it in the same manner nor for the same purpose so that is why I say I see no value in it today.
I do not need the gift of tongues when witness to others, I have the Bible and we speak the same language.
I will also say that I so not need the gift of tongues to know without a doubt that His Spirit is present with my spirit.
I do not need a physical outward sign to know that He is there.
So , no I do not feel any guilt as you suggest.
I am not here to mock or offend any of you, but at the same time I object to those that suggest that because my belief is different that I am in some way less spiritual, less useful in the Lord's service or even as some have suggested, do not possess the Holy Spirit.

There is a local preacher I have had this discussion with several times and each time we end our discussion, his last word to me is
"I am praying for your salvation."
He is certain I am not saved because I do not speak in tongues.

TO DWR----THE TRUTH-
You are not less spiritual than others because you do not speak in tongues, that depends on your time in the word and in God's presence. As I mentioned to you before, there are some who stopped using their gift and "fell asleep", but because they lacked spending time in the word and with God. And, you don't have to have this gift to be saved either. HOWEVER, you are going against the scripture that states:
1Cor 14:1
Pursue [this] love [with eagerness, make it your goal], yet earnestly desire and cultivate the spiritual gifts [to be used by believers for the benefit of the church], but especially that you may prophesy [to foretell the future, to speak a new message from God to the people].

And unfortunately, this local preacher you mentioned is dead wrong if he is somehow insinuating that you have to have this gift to be saved. But you should in turn pray for him to be illuminated! So, for your sake, and not to prove this preacher right or wrong, pursue the gifts as written in scripture. Don't let this preacher make you hold a grudge (which would be understandable, but not advisable) and forego a supernatural walk with God.
And by the way, when I replied to one of your posts where you "X" disagreed with Kelby, it was God who told me to tell you that you were blessed. I did not write that because I was being a good little Christian, or because I wanted to diffuse any possible retaliatory anger from you. No, instead, I was going to write more, when God told me to write that you are blessed. Why? I have no idea. All I know is that He must love you very much to interrupt my writing to tell you that. -And, this is 100% true. Now, this is from me: May God continue to bless you, regardless of which path you decide to take. Amen.

 

[DWR]

I decided to re-read the guidelines for the BDF before answering your question to be sure that answering your question would not be construed as a personal attack, and that I can support my position with biblical examples.

Because "no speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit" seems to be the criteria used in Acts 19, 10, 8 (and actually 2), Yes, I use the same criteria today. If I find believers, I ask them if they have received the Holy Ghost since they believed, because according to the book of acts, it is not only possible, it is recorded that people could both believe and be baptized and yet NOT HAVE the Holy Ghost. And I continue to pray for them until the either get it or die. (just meaning I don't stop praying for them if they're still alive. ) It's just that believers who have yet to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost are either told that they don't need it, or sometimes are overly pressured to receive it....few are taught "Tarry until you receive it". So I try to teach them to Tarry/wait and not give up.

The baptism of the Holy Ghost came with speaking in tongues in the book of Acts and it still does today. Again, because God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. There is only one thing biblically declared as "my spirit prayeth" and that is speaking in tongues. "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth". People are able to claim all sorts of other things to be spirit-prayer, but speaking in tongues is the only one with a bible statement to back it up. So I'm trusting the bible over man.

BTW, I seldom try to apply the word "saved" to people because that particular part is between them and God, not them and me per Philipians 2:12. So if someone wants to call themselves "saved" I basically just say "That's nice" and probably will ask them about the Holy Ghost and correct baptism (Like Paul did in Acts 19). But I don't see the need to argue over whether or not they call themselves "saved".

I hope that (especially the bold part) was clear enough to answer your question, and thorough enough for anyone who wants to know more.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Very clear but a simple yes would have been sufficient.

 

[DWR]

Tongues followed the infilling of the Holy Spirit..

The purpose of the infilling has tongues accompanying it.
After that tongues plays diverse roles.

One dimension of praying in tongues is that
1) the Holy Spirit is praying perfectly through me
2) the devil is clueless as to what is happening.

I agree that the gift of tongues accompanied the infilling but the purpose was a sign for the unbelieving Jews gathered in Jerusalem from all over the Roman empire,
The 120 went out and preached the Gospel and all heard it in their own tongue.

 

[Scribe]

What was the purpose for the gift of tongues to those in the upper room?

Luke 24: 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The emphasis in the text appears to be on POWER

 

[KelbyofGod]

Luke 24: 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The emphasis in the text appears to be on POWER

Was "the promise of the Father" power, or was it the Comforter (which brings power)?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Was "the promise of the Father" power, or was it the Comforter (which brings power)?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." - John 14:26 KJV

@Scribe You don't realize what you have.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. [5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." - Acts 1:4&5​

They were waiting for the Holy Ghost. <--THAT is the promise of the Father

"But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified." - John 7:39 KJV​

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." - John 16:7 KJV​

Jesus had to die on the cross, resurrect from the dead, AND DEPART to his Father before the Holy Ghost could be given. That's why in Acts 1 Jesus is commanding them to wait (abide, continue, tarry) until they receive the Holy Ghost. (Because he hadn't yet departed to his Father.)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Scribe]

Was "the promise of the Father" power, or was it the Comforter (which brings power)?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

He had already breathed on them (the 11) John 20:22 and said receive ye the Holy Ghost. This event seems to emphasize the Power they would receive by the Holy Ghost. Power to be witnesses. Not witnessing in tongues, they never preached the Gospel in foreign tongues as some want to say, they spoke the wonderful works of God. It appears that they must have been praising God, they went from praying in their own language to a prophetic, praise and prayer in tongues which others from other nations heard in their own language howbeit the speakers didn't know what they were saying or what language. The Gospel was preached by Peter in the common language, probably Aramaic, possibly Hebrew, but not in tongues. So the gift was not given for them to preach the gospel to other nations because that never happened. The power to be a witness was given by the Holy Ghost, tongues was an evidence that they had been given supernatural Holy Ghost power. The power itself would continue to work through them to be a witness daily and to spread the Gospel while facing all sorts of persecution. The gift of the Spirit would assist them in the infilling of the power of the Spirit on a daily basis. Praying in tongues was one way they would be edified (built up, charged up like a battery) Singing in the spirit would also produce this infilling of the Spirit/Power to be a witness. This was not a one time event. They could pray in tongues as often as they wished after this initial event.
Eph 5: 18 ...but be filled with the Spirit; 19Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
1 Cor 14:3 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; (Builds Up)
1 Cor 14:2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh ...unto God: ... in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Cor 14: 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also
Jude 1:20 “But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,”
There is a direct connection to praying and singing in tongues that results in being built up or filled up with the Holy Ghost! For Power to be a witness. Holy Ghost Power.

 

[notuptome]

Roger,
Aren't you one who claims speaking in tongues no longer occurs? And if you claim it no longer occurs, why do you present yourself as someone who knows how it works??

Either speaking in tongues is something that currently occurs and could most accurately be described by those that have it, or speaking in tongues is not something that currently occurs, and no one would have it. In both cases, you exclude yourself as having any authority to speak because you either claim not to have it, or claim it doesn't exist.

I would love it if you were able to grasp the meaning of errors like this, but historically you just switch gears to try to justify yourself, or you move to attack the other person, or you just avoid that person for some time as if the problem will just go away. But those problems don't go away. Once they've been presented to you, it doesn't matter how you try to avoid them. They are written in the books and kept until judgement day.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I know what the bible teaches on the subject. For one who claims to speak in unknown tongues you should be able to show from scripture where you receive the ability and the purpose before God.

You cannot even show that the tongues in 1 Cor 12-14 are the same tongues in Acts. The passages read so differently that it is not possible to reconcile the two. What you and many others claim to do is not recorded in scripture. The concept of praying in tongues is foreign to the truth. Add in the concept of angelic tongues and the whole thing becomes an obvious fabrication drawn from erroneous exegesis of the scriptures.

It is what scripture declares not what you claim or any person claims. When what Pentecostals do differs from scripture then they are in error. To hide the error they resort to contorted explanations of scripture and willful ignorance of other scriptures.

The measure by which you judge others you will be judged also. You will give account for the words you utter against the word of God. You will not account to me but to the Savior who alone is worthy of an answer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

For the record:
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.

The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.

Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Correction it was written by the Holy Spirit to correct men who were out of order and doing harm to the body of believers. Folks like you denying the word of God and going about to establish your own set of standards of righteousness.

So little is written about tongues and we do not know if the apostles spoke in tongues after Pentecost so to build a central doctrine of Pentecostalism around it is not wise. There is far greater sound doctrine that should be taught that is neglected no wonder the church is filled with believers that lack any serious biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I know what the bible teaches on the subject. For one who claims to speak in unknown tongues you should be able to show from scripture where you receive the ability and the purpose before God.

You cannot even show that the tongues in 1 Cor 12-14 are the same tongues in Acts. The passages read so differently that it is not possible to reconcile the two. What you and many others claim to do is not recorded in scripture. The concept of praying in tongues is foreign to the truth. Add in the concept of angelic tongues and the whole thing becomes an obvious fabrication drawn from erroneous exegesis of the scriptures.

It is what scripture declares not what you claim or any person claims. When what Pentecostals do differs from scripture then they are in error. To hide the error they resort to contorted explanations of scripture and willful ignorance of other scriptures.

The measure by which you judge others you will be judged also. You will give account for the words you utter against the word of God. You will not account to me but to the Savior who alone is worthy of an answer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

no you don't know what the Bible teaches on the topic. You think you do. We have shown fro the word of Jesus Himself in scripture you do not even agree with Jesus. Acts say they all spoke in Tonues as the Spirit gave them the ability Acts 2

1Corinthians chapter 12 to 14 says that The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are given by the HS and Tongues and interpretation of tongues are two of the gifts of the Holy Spirit I'm sorry you think the HS was wrong.
You can't even prove 1cor 13:8-10 say now that the Bible was made tongues are no longer need as prophecies , and Knowledge as the verse say. You keep lying on that too. Pentecostals are not doing anything different You just are wrong Biblically and to prideful to say it. No One has ignored Scripture just you. Now he going to try and scare us with his " judgement factor " because we don't agree with him now we are not agree with God.

"YOU WILL GIVE ACCOUNT FOR THE WORDS YOU UTTER AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. "

You are not the word of God and the only thing that happened here is many have disagreed with you are now you are trying to seek some kind of self justification and make people be silent before they suffer your Judgement call. You have lost the argument and the ability to influence anyone as to what you have to say. it i sad, You area bully, and you have been playing this game for sometime. it will not work anymore you are in error and just plain mean.

 

[Scribe]

///The speaker knows what he is saying but the audience cannot understand what is said without an interpreter.

Tongues are unknow to the hearer not to the speaker. ]
For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, you may have already discussed with others but I do not recall. I am assuming your understanding is sincere but I am not sure where you developed this idea that they understood what they were saying when they spoke in tongues. I like to read Matthew Henry but I do recall that he thought that when they got the gift of toungues it was a miracle of their understanding that they suddenly were given understanding in the foreign language given to them and could go forth and use it to preach. Maybe it was from him that you got that idea. That was one of the interpretations that Matthew later realized he had made a mistake about because he forgot about the verses below in 1 Cor 14:14

If the speaker new what he was saying when he spoke in tongues wouldn't he be able to "translate" afterwards?
The gift of interpretation being one given by the Holy Spirit is also a supernatural gift and not the simple natural act of translating a foreign language by someone who is bilingual. Any bilingual unbeliever could do that without a gift of the Holy Spirit called the gift of interpretation.

1 Cor 14: 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Why would he need to pray for the gift on interpretation if he knows what he is saying?

Now if Paul knew what he was saying when he spoke in tongues why would he then have written the following:
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If Paul said he did not have understanding when he prayed in an unknown tongue why would you think that he really did?

Let us exegete (determine authorial intent) the scriptures as you suggest that we should. I am wondering how you and I can both read this and NOT see the same thing? That is that, Paul did not understand what he was saying when he prayed in tongues.

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

Roger, you may have already discussed with others but I do not recall. I am assuming your understanding is sincere but I am not sure where you developed this idea that they understood what they were saying when they spoke in tongues. I like to read Matthew Henry but I do recall that he thought that when they got the gift of toungues it was a miracle of their understanding that they suddenly were given understanding in the foreign language given to them and could go forth and use it to preach. Maybe it was from him that you got that idea. That was one of the interpretations that Matthew later realized he had made a mistake about because he forgot about the verses below in 1 Cor 14:14

If the speaker new what he was saying when he spoke in tongues wouldn't he be able to "translate" afterwards?
The gift of interpretation being one given by the Holy Spirit is also a supernatural gift and not the simple natural act of translating a foreign language by someone who is bilingual. Any bilingual unbeliever could do that without a gift of the Holy Spirit called the gift of interpretation.

1 Cor 14: 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Why would he need to pray for the gift on interpretation if he knows what he is saying?

Now if Paul knew what he was saying when he spoke in tongues why would he then have written the following:
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

If Paul said he did not have understanding when he prayed in an unknown tongue why would you think that he really did?

Let us exegete (determine authorial intent) the scriptures as you suggest that we should. I am wondering how you and I can both read this and NOT see the same thing? That is that, Paul did not understand what he was saying when he prayed in tongues.

without speaking to Paul or someone who knew him well or without hearing straight from the spirit or God what it is, you probably cannot determine for sure what the actual authorial intent was.

but i see another meaning of those words myself when i read them and i think i saw what you were saying also. if you think harder or meditate on them more and it may come to your understanding as well - the other meaning, or another even? i am not saying i know, i am just saying that i can see something else in this, also.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Well, I had hoped. *shrugs*

Love in Jesus to those who accept it,
Kelby

 

[Trula]

I agree that the gift of tongues accompanied the infilling but the purpose was a sign for the unbelieving Jews gathered in Jerusalem from all over the Roman empire,
The 120 went out and preached the Gospel and all heard it in their own tongue.

I HOPE THIS TIME YOU RESPOND, OR AT LEAST PONDER WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN TO YOU. THIS IS THE STRONGEST POST I HAVE EVER WRITTEN, AND YOU DESERVE IT TOO.
Again, you persist with a very narrow perspective. Have you read the New Testament? How is it that you claim to be an expert of something you know nothing about. YOU ARE BEING ARROGANT to pretend you know, when you don't know. I APPRECIATE that you are loved and blessed by God, but that will not stop me from telling you that you are wrong ...because you are AND you are doing harm. You have the option of walking away from all this if you choose, but don't argue with the Holy Spirit and HIS dispensation of the gifts. FOR WHO ARE YOU TO TELL HIM (HOLY SPIRIT) WHAT GIFTS, AND WHEN TO GIVE HIS GIFTS FOR HIS CHURCH?!!! THE ARROGANCE!!! If you had read the much earlier posts on this thread, you would have seen explanations for the different types of tongues. BUT HEY, I GUESS YOU ARE THE EXPERT, RIGHT?...OF SOMETHING YOU YOURSELF HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED...BE IT OUT OF YOUR INNATE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN OR BECAUSE OF YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND ARROGANCE.

YOU KEEP IGNORING SCRIPTURES THAT DON'T FIT YOUR NARROW VIEW---AND YOU ARE GOING AGAINST SOME AS WELL.

1st Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, next miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, various kinds of tongues.
SO, you say that there is only 1 type of tongues?!!! REALLY? Again, have you really read the New Testament?

Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy 1COR 1:14
ARE WE SUPPOSE TO IGNORE THIS TOO MR. MRS. DWR?
WELL, LET'S JUST THROW OUT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, AS YOU STATED, IT IS OUTDATED IN EVERY SECTION THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT...RIGHT? SO, THEN THIS SCRIPTURE ON DESIRING THE GIFTS IS NO LONGER VALID BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED FOR TONGUES?...so technically, in your expert opinion, you are not going against this scripture, RIGHT?

WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN THAT DOES NOT NEED FOR PEOPLE TO EDIFY THEMSELVES???!!!
Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 1COR 14:4
So, I guess here you will tell me THAT NO ONE....NO ONE NEEDS TO EDIFY THEMSELVES in this time and climate we live in? REALLY...TONGUES IS OF NO USE??? We must build ourselves up constantly to help the church in turn. To say otherwise is to BE PRIDEFUL...LIKE YOU ALWAYS "HAVE IT TOGETHER"....THAT'S HOW FOOLISH MEN FALL.

I was 17 when I received my first gift of speaking in tongues. I am 58 now, almost 59. At the time, I did not know about any of this-the holy spirit and His gifts- when it happened. I had been raised somewhat Catholic, somewhat non-denominational...I merely wanted to feel close to God...And later, I received a sound beating from my mother. Much of my hair had been pulled out, my lip was torn, swollen and bleeding. I had bruises on my face, and I had lost consciousness. I thought I was going to die with her hands on my throat...because I had a gift she thought I should not have. Not because she was against the gift, but because she thought I was undeserving at my age. Yes, she was jealous, and I paid for her anger and jealousy.
And, along the way, I have lost many, many acquaintances and even family because I always choose God, and because I wasn't "cool". God doesn't care, they'd tell me...I was even told once that it must be easy for me to believe in God because I come from ignorant Hispanic people, and therefore my supposed stupidity was innate. (I have a masters with a 4.0 GPA, by the way, in case you too think I am ignorant for believing in the Holy Spirit and His gifts) I simply refuse to box God in to MY RATIONALS of what HE SHOULD, AND SHOULD NOT BE. He is not a fairy tale God from yesteryear that is confined only in written word on the pages of dusty books, and can only be visited in these pages. My God is not impotent, NO, He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

In my christian journey, I have given up all of these things, but I have gained something more precious, a relationship with the living, breathing God. I have since operated in other gifts, especially during missionary trips, and each time, I was surprised...yes, each time. I did not ask or conjure up these gifts, but they presented themselves in times when the need was there.....AND you say that there is no need...WHAT DO YOU KNOW??? SERIOUSLY! There is as much, if not more need in today's world for the gifts to be in operation. Perhaps you have always lived a privileged and cushy life, but others do NOT.
IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THIS POST, WELL, THEN TAKE IT TO GOD IN PRAYER...LET'S SEE WHAT HE SAYS.

 

[Scribe]

I agree that the gift of tongues accompanied the infilling but the purpose was a sign for the unbelieving Jews gathered in Jerusalem from all over the Roman empire,
The 120 went out and preached the Gospel and all heard it in their own tongue.

Those that heard them said they spoke the marvelous works of God. They did not preach the gospel in tongues. Peter preached the gospel using the common language, probably Aramaic, possibly Hebrew. But not in tongues.

There is no record in the book of Acts or in church history of the 120 going and preaching the gospel in tongues after this day.
Preaching the gospel in tongues never happened.

 

[Chester]

Those that heard them said they spoke the marvelous works of God. They did not preach the gospel in tongues. Peter preached the gospel using the common language, probably Aramaic, possibly Hebrew. But not in tongues.

There is no record in the book of Acts or in church history of the 120 going and preaching the gospel in tongues after this day.
Preaching the gospel in tongues never happened.

Well, I am not a charismatic or pentecostal by any means, but even in my tradition, I have heard (first hand from people I trust) stories of evangelists preaching the gospel in English, and some in the crowd hearing the preaching in their own language. Now to me, that is tongues and the preaching of the gospel.

 

[Chester]

I HOPE THIS TIME YOU RESPOND, OR AT LEAST PONDER WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN TO YOU. THIS IS THE STRONGEST POST I HAVE EVER WRITTEN, AND YOU DESERVE IT TOO.
Again, you persist with a very narrow perspective. Have you read the New Testament? How is it that you claim to be an expert of something you know nothing about. YOU ARE BEING ARROGANT to pretend you know, when you don't know. I APPRECIATE that you are loved and blessed by God, but that will not stop me from telling you that you are wrong ...because you are AND you are doing harm. You have the option of walking away from all this if you choose, but don't argue with the Holy Spirit and HIS dispensation of the gifts. FOR WHO ARE YOU TO TELL HIM (HOLY SPIRIT) WHAT GIFTS, AND WHEN TO GIVE HIS GIFTS FOR HIS CHURCH?!!! THE ARROGANCE!!! If you had read the much earlier posts on this thread, you would have seen explanations for the different types of tongues. BUT HEY, I GUESS YOU ARE THE EXPERT, RIGHT?...OF SOMETHING YOU YOURSELF HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED...BE IT OUT OF YOUR INNATE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN OR BECAUSE OF YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND ARROGANCE.

YOU KEEP IGNORING SCRIPTURES THAT DON'T FIT YOUR NARROW VIEW---AND YOU ARE GOING AGAINST SOME AS WELL.

1st Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, next miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, various kinds of tongues.
SO, you say that there is only 1 type of tongues?!!! REALLY? Again, have you really read the New Testament?

Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy 1COR 1:14
ARE WE SUPPOSE TO IGNORE THIS TOO MR. MRS. DWR?
WELL, LET'S JUST THROW OUT THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, AS YOU STATED, IT IS OUTDATED IN EVERY SECTION THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT...RIGHT? SO, THEN THIS SCRIPTURE ON DESIRING THE GIFTS IS NO LONGER VALID BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED FOR TONGUES?...so technically, in your expert opinion, you are not going against this scripture, RIGHT?

WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN THAT DOES NOT NEED FOR PEOPLE TO EDIFY THEMSELVES???!!!
Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 1COR 14:4
So, I guess here you will tell me THAT NO ONE....NO ONE NEEDS TO EDIFY THEMSELVES in this time and climate we live in? REALLY...TONGUES IS OF NO USE??? We must build ourselves up constantly to help the church in turn. To say otherwise is to BE PRIDEFUL...LIKE YOU ALWAYS "HAVE IT TOGETHER"....THAT'S HOW FOOLISH MEN FALL.

I was 17 when I received my first gift of speaking in tongues. I am 58 now, almost 59. At the time, I did not know about any of this-the holy spirit and His gifts- when it happened. I had been raised somewhat Catholic, somewhat non-denominational...I merely wanted to feel close to God...And later, I received a sound beating from my mother. Much of my hair had been pulled out, my lip was torn, swollen and bleeding. I had bruises on my face, and I had lost consciousness. I thought I was going to die with her hands on my throat...because I had a gift she thought I should not have. Not because she was against the gift, but because she thought I was undeserving at my age. Yes, she was jealous, and I paid for her anger and jealousy.
And, along the way, I have lost many, many acquaintances and even family because I always choose God, and because I wasn't "cool". God doesn't care, they'd tell me...I was even told once that it must be easy for me to believe in God because I come from ignorant Hispanic people, and therefore my supposed stupidity was innate. (I have a masters with a 4.0 GPA, by the way, in case you too think I am ignorant for believing in the Holy Spirit and His gifts) I simply refuse to box God in to MY RATIONALS of what HE SHOULD, AND SHOULD NOT BE. He is not a fairy tale God from yesteryear that is confined only in written word on the pages of dusty books, and can only be visited in these pages. My God is not impotent, NO, He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

In my christian journey, I have given up all of these things, but I have gained something more precious, a relationship with the living, breathing God. I have since operated in other gifts, especially during missionary trips, and each time, I was surprised...yes, each time. I did not ask or conjure up these gifts, but they presented themselves in times when the need was there.....AND you say that there is no need...WHAT DO YOU KNOW??? SERIOUSLY! There is as much, if not more need in today's world for the gifts to be in operation. Perhaps you have always lived a privileged and cushy life, but others do NOT.
IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THIS POST, WELL, THEN TAKE IT TO GOD IN PRAYER...LET'S SEE WHAT HE SAYS.

So does your master's degree and your gift of speaking in tongues elevate you above the rest of us? How can I achieve your level of spirituality?

 

[Trula]

So does your master's degree and your gift of speaking in tongues elevate you above the rest of us? How can I achieve your level of spirituality?

Take it to God in prayer. ...And your racist attitude too.