The Question of Homosexuality: Sin or Safe Bet?

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The question of homosexuality is a very touchy topic in this day and age. In our community, it begs the question of if such behavior is sinful. The research I have conducted points to the conclusion that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin.

Before I explain why I have been lead to believe this, I must make a disclaimer. The ideas following this have zero intention to strip these individuals of their humanity or rights, I am just exploring what I have discovered regarding this topic. If I have made an error in judgment of any sort, please point it out so that I may take it into consideration, and either better explain my thoughts or correct my view.

To begin, we will start with one of the very first mentions of homosexuality in the Bible, Leviticus 18 & 20. (There is a mention in Genesis, in the tale of Sodom, but that includes many other issues that become interlined and bring more harm than good in this argument). Leviticus 18:22 states "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.", and Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.". Now, these passages are quite obviously very clear cut in what they state. Despite this, many people have argued that this passage comes from a now irrelevant book of laws, and cannot any longer be applied. However, the only pieces of the Bible that are to no longer be adhered to are those that God and Jesus specifically stated are no longer applicable after our salvation through Him. (i.e. clean/unclean animals in Peter's dream).

However, if the conflict with the book of laws is too much of an issue, there is a verse in the new testament from Paul, which is an even better example.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. No explanation will help this verse, it's about as clear as it gets. Paul states that God does not condone homosexuality.

Another verse by Paul with the same statement:
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy. 1:9-10


I have made my judgment based largely off of these three verses. Two other verses with this in it (while they have more confusing factors and are not as useful) are Romans 1:18 - 32, and Genesis 19.
 
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Yes, This is something long understood by most on here. It's good you took the time to find this answer for yourself but few on this site are likely to not have already known this. There are limited scriptures on the subject, but the few that exist are clear.
I was your age in the 90s, it was a touchy subject then as well. That's when much of what you see now, in regards to this subject, started. And has remained a touchy subiect ever since.
 
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What do you mean by "safe bet"??

NOTHING about homosexuality is safe..
 
Roughsoul1991

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sushiseggrolls said:
The question of homosexuality is a very touchy topic in this day and age. In our community, it begs the question of if such behavior is sinful. The research I have conducted points to the conclusion that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin.

Before I explain why I have been lead to believe this, I must make a disclaimer. The ideas following this have zero intention to strip these individuals of their humanity or rights, I am just exploring what I have discovered regarding this topic. If I have made an error in judgment of any sort, please point it out so that I may take it into consideration, and either better explain my thoughts or correct my view.

To begin, we will start with one of the very first mentions of homosexuality in the Bible, Leviticus 18 & 20. (There is a mention in Genesis, in the tale of Sodom, but that includes many other issues that become interlined and bring more harm than good in this argument). Leviticus 18:22 states "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.", and Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.". Now, these passages are quite obviously very clear cut in what they state. Despite this, many people have argued that this passage comes from a now irrelevant book of laws, and cannot any longer be applied. However, the only pieces of the Bible that are to no longer be adhered to are those that God and Jesus specifically stated are no longer applicable after our salvation through Him. (i.e. clean/unclean animals in Peter's dream).

However, if the conflict with the book of laws is too much of an issue, there is a verse in the new testament from Paul, which is an even better example.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. No explanation will help this verse, it's about as clear as it gets. Paul states that God does not condone homosexuality.

Another verse by Paul with the same statement:
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy. 1:9-10


I have made my judgment based largely off of these three verses. Two other verses with this in it (while they have more confusing factors and are not as useful) are Romans 1:18 - 32, and Genesis 19.
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The ideas following this have zero intention to strip these individuals of their humanity or rights, I am just exploring what I have discovered regarding this topic.
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I'm sure we agree but what is the homosexuals rights?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
They have the right to do whatever they want within their homes -- without endangering anyone else. AND THEN SHUT UP!
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they wont shut up, Satan started an advertising campaign for them sometime ago, to justify there lifestyle choice, with the help of evil leaders and the mainstream media, he is succeeding . Now its not unusual to see in my city of 100,00 to see men in warm embraces downtown, and one young guy in particular wearing women's clothes and high heel shoes! The deception has worked.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Nehemiah6 said:
They have the right to do whatever they want within their homes -- without endangering anyone else. AND THEN SHUT UP!
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But doesn't that so called right endanger the public with disease?
 
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so what is the remedy, is God going to kill them all?
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
But doesn't that so called right endanger the public with disease?
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Well the fact remains that people are free to do whatever they wish within their homes, unless it is a crime. There was a time when sodomy was a felony, but it is not any longer. As to AIDS, if there are two consenting adults, they are wilfully taking that risk.

It is only when these people knowingly infect others without their consent then that becomes a crime. And that has happened a few times (as known publicly) but who knows what was never published or brought to light.
 
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Relic said:
so what is the remedy, is God going to kill them all?
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Unless they repent they face eternal damnation. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah took place to warn future generations about the consequences of degeneracy.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Nehemiah6 said:
Well the fact remains that people are free to do whatever they wish within their homes, unless it is a crime. There was a time when sodomy was a felony, but it is not any longer. As to AIDS, if there are two consenting adults, they are wilfully taking that risk.

It is only when these people knowingly infect others without their consent then that becomes a crime. And that has happened a few times (as known publicly) but who knows what was never published or brought to light.
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But the disease isn't contained in the home as people do spread it. The question becomes is it such a danger we should put laws on? Hypothetically speaking. I know our country would never support that but we do make laws to restrain sin all the time. For example drunkenness may not be against the law but if you do something to hurt others then it can be. If God has such clear warnings, then it must be extremely bad for society.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
I'm sure we agree but what is the homosexuals rights?
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Many times, when people disagree with the ideas of these people, they consider it a personal attack, and misread the conversation as an attempt to strip their human rights (life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education etc.). I wanted to make it clear that this was not the argument I wanted to get involved with.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
They have the right to do whatever they want within their homes -- without endangering anyone else. AND THEN SHUT UP!
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I was referring to basic human rights, as many people seem to think that disagreeing with their choices in sin are an attempt to take away the basic givens of life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education etc.
 
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Relic said:
so what is the remedy, is God going to kill them all?
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Once upon a time, things such as transgenders used to be seen as a mental disorder, and was prescribed medication. Now these poor people simply perform a gender swap instead of being taken care of. It's very sad. How many people have to regret their decision before people finally realize? We were right to begin with but for some reason it all fell apart.

As far as the heavenly "remedy" it has been stated that such peoples are condemned to eternal damnation, but that is up to God, not us (but you knew that already). The best we can do is educate in a way specific to each and every person whether that be hard condemnation or a gentle explanation. It's not going to be easy, and people are not going to be happy, but that's all part of fighting for Christianity, just like our ancestors.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
But the disease isn't contained in the home as people do spread it. The question becomes is it such a danger we should put laws on? Hypothetically speaking. I know our country would never support that but we do make laws to restrain sin all the time. For example drunkenness may not be against the law but if you do something to hurt others then it can be. If God has such clear warnings, then it must be extremely bad for society.
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You are absolutely right! It IS bad for society. But people let their moral compass become twisted, and those who disagree become afraid and comply, leading to them believing it themselves. So-called "society" is often a tool of the devil meant to put fear into peoples hearts instead of the thirst for knowledge and true understanding.
 
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Subhumanoidal said:
Yes, This is something long understood by most on here. It's good you took the time to find this answer for yourself but few on this site are likely to not have already known this. There are limited scriptures on the subject, but the few that exist are clear.
I was your age in the 90s, it was a touchy subject then as well. That's when much of what you see now, in regards to this subject, started. And has remained a touchy subiect ever since.
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For many people (especially the latest generation) this is a complicated topic. While it's true most people understand it, I hope I can help a few who might not! Thank you for the background on the subject, it helped me put a perspective on how the problem arose to the heights it has today.
 
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I don't see it as touchy. Its not what man thinks about it. The word GOD says its a sin. And it would seem as if its a major sin yet its so close to God because MAN + WOMAN become one. The only way Children are born.

Yet we all know we can get stuck in some sin. So people can be stuck in homosexuality. The sin is when you say its not and then do it freely.. like ANY other sin. You know you can LOVE anyone. :) the bed room... yes.. married man woman can do anything. But same sex.. that is a sin. We don't get a say in this. He can set you free. So that desire for the same sex is gone forever. Seen it happen so many times.
 
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