The Rapture of the Church is not biblical.
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And we don't need someone's commentary with an inserted ROMAN prince. That's adding to scripture in order to make it fit a man-made theory.
"Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times"
As I see it. Likewise... Jesus is capital P and Antichrist is lower case p in verse 26. Just as it's He versus he.
Sure, just make it up as you go along. This is one of the reasons we can't have a sensible discussion about these things.
The scriptures identify him as a Roman prince...
Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."
Yes, Messiah was cut off/crucified (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - it gives a clue by saying the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince is someone from the revived Roman empire.
Continuing......
Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering (he will break the contract)
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
There's a distinction made between "He" in V26 and "he" in V27. A capital letter is always used when God is mentioned, and a lower case for everyone else. This is just additional confirmation, because as I see it the prince in V27 is Antichrist, not Jesus.
None of verse 27 has been fulfilled yet, so it points to a future time.
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All I've done is quote scripture. Capitals are always used for God and lower case for everyone else.
It's He versus he and Prince versus prince. 2 are mentioned in Daniel 9.
The antichrist, the "He," that ruler, doesn't come at the 69th week. The Messiah is cut off at the 69th week of years. The antichrist, the ruler, the "He" of Dan.9:27, is the one who initiates that last seven years, which is yet future. The last seven will be in fulfillment of the seventy sevens that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem in Dan.9:24.
You don't have enough study in end-time events yet.
Indeed, verse 25 describes only the messiah- when He comes and when He is cut off but people knowing that Jesus stayed a total of 33 years (4 weeks), are forced to explain other things because it won't fit into their calculation knowing that only one week should be left.
The capital letters in English don't have any connection with capital letters in Hebrew because Hebrew doesn't have capital and lower-case letters.
All you've done is quote scripture PLUS:
You've imposed all that commentary onto one point about a comma in verse 25.
You can't address verse 25. If the Messiah is killed on the 69th week and we know the messiah lived for 4 weeks, therefore according to you, the messiah came on:
69-4= 65th week
That's not what the angel said:
25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the commandTo restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince,There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;The street shall be built again, and the wall,Even in troublesome times"
The messiah comes on the 69th week, not 65th week.
I did not such thing! I copied and pasted that verse. It separates the Messiah from the coming prince, that ruler. It really is pointless to try and show you what this means, because you don't understand the plan. Therefore, you can believe as you will. The order of events are as follows:
* That gathering of the church
* The antichrist makes his covenant with Israel for one seven year period
* In the middle of the seven, the antichrist puts a stop to the sacrifice and offerings and sets up the abomination
* 3 1/2 years later the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom
Yes, the only one that fits and should have been known by Israel, is when Nehemiah received the letters (decrees) from Artaxerxes to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which were those letters to pass through the area of the Trans-Euphrates and letters to take wood from the kings. If you will look in the margin of your Bible, you will see that that they have this taking place at about 446 BC.
7x7 = 49 years
62 x 7 = 434 years
Total = 69 seven year periods or 483 years
446 BC minus 483 years = 37 AD
With the calendar changes, that puts the time of the Messiah being cut off right in the ball park of the time of the Lord's crucifixion. Nehemiah is a detailed account of the seven 'sevens' to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. With 62 sevens added on to that equals 69 sevens, which is when Messiah was cut off. Daniel 9:27 has to do with the future fulfillment of that last seven years which will take place after the church has been gathered. The church must be gathered prior to the established of that last seven years, because it is also during that time when God's wrath will be poured out of which we are not appointed to suffer.
The man who will be the antichrist is most likely currently waiting in the wings, but can't be revealed until the One who is restraining him from being revealed is taken out of the way, which is the Holy Spirit through the indwelling of every believer in the church. Therefore, when the Holy Spirit is removed, then the church must also be removed with Him and then that man of lawlessness will be revealed (2 Thes.2:4-10). In the middle of the seven years is when that antichirst/beast will set up that abomination. From that time on he will have 3 1/2 years where during that time he will make war and conquer the great tribulation saints and the inhabitants whose names have not been written in the book of life from the beginning of the world, will worship him.
Denying the rapture can be considered Heresy but denying an Irvin/Darby/Scofield fantasy about it isn't
Just FYI, those are weeks of years, i.e. seventy sets of seven year periods, not literal weeks. You would be hard pressed to find fulfillment of seventy sets of weeks for the restoring and rebuilding of Jerusalem and the Messiah being cut off. Also, and as I previously stated, the Messiah and the prince are two individuals. You need to look at and compare the other translations:
"New International Version
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble."
The Anointed One and the ruler, are two separate individuals. The ruler is the same as the "the ruler of the people" mentioned in Dan.9:26.
"Until the Anointed One, the ruler comes," i.e. the ruler comes after the Anointed One. Two separate individuals.
Sorry, it would be very dishonest for me to read it that way. It just isn't worded as two separate people in THAT verse. (9:25)
You can't have a theory first then change the Bible to fit your theory. We need The Bible first, then CHANGE the theory to fit the Bible.
New International Version
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
New Living Translation
Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler--the Anointed One--comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.
English Standard Version
Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
New American Standard Bible
"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
King James Bible
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Christian Standard Bible
Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an Anointed One, the ruler, will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat, but in difficult times.
Contemporary English Version
You need to realize that from the command to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Chosen Leader, it will be 7 weeks and another 62 weeks. Streets will be built in Jerusalem, and a trench will be dug around the city for protection, but these will be difficult times.
Good News Translation
Note this and understand it: From the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until God's chosen leader comes, seven times seven years will pass. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, and will stand for seven times sixty-two years, but this will be a time of troubles.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince will be seven weeks and 62 weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat, but in difficult times.
International Standard Version
So be informed and discern that seven weeks and 62 weeks will elapse from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed Commander. The plaza and moat will be rebuilt, though in troubled times.
NET Bible
So know and understand: From the issuing of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives, there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will again be built, with plaza and moat, but in distressful times.
New Heart English Bible
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks. It shall be built again, with open spaces and a moat, but in times of distress.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Learn, then, and understand that from the time the command is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed prince comes, seven sets of seven time periods and sixty-two sets of seven time periods will pass. Jerusalem will be restored and rebuilt with a city square and a moat during the troubles of those times.
JPS Tanakh 1917
Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto one anointed, a prince, shall be seven weeks; and for threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with broad place and moat, but in troublous times.
New American Standard 1977
“So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to cause the people to return and to build Jerusalem unto the Anointed {Heb. Messiah} Prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks, while the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times.
King James 2000 Bible
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times.
American King James Version
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
American Standard Version
Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times.
Darby Bible Translation
Know therefore and understand: From the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the Prince, are seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks. The street and the moat shall be built again, even in troublous times.
English Revised Version
Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.
Webster's Bible Translation
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
World English Bible
Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times.
Young's Literal Translation
And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader is seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.
Regardless of what Irvin/Darby/Scofield or MacDonald may have believed or taught, makes no difference to those of us who study end-time events and that because we get our information straight from scripture and not by the teaching of any of those men. People use them as an apologetic to discredit those who are looking forward to and anticipating the promise of the Lord, the Blessed Hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, of which Paul told us to comfort each other with that promise.
Noooooo, no one is talking of 70 weeks of weeks and your explanation (the whole of it), starting from the decree is just far far from the truth.
Don't worry, i'm come to give you understanding, but it is a difficult one. i know you won't agree but it is what it is.
Here is the complete context:
"Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
He (the ruler) will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Now, if you want to make the Messiah the same as "the ruler" in all three verses, then it would mean that Jesus would have to be the One performing the following:
* Establishing a seven year covenant with Israel
* Destroy the city and the sanctuary
* Put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings and set up the abomination
Jesus did not perform any of those events above. The "He" in verse 27 is the one who establishes the seven year covenant with Israel and the one who breaks it and causes the sacrifices to cease and the one who sets up the abomination.
The word "bdelugma" is defined as "a reeking stench which goes up before God. An abominable thing, an accursed thing." Therefore, if you make the "He" in the context as referring to Jesus, then you have Jesus setting up the abomination, which would be blasphemy against God the Father and himself, ergo, "the ruler" has to be someone other than the Messiah.
I'm not speaking off the cuff of my sleeve. I know what I'm talking about. I've studied it enough and I know the plan. I can't help it if you guys don't.
605 BC – Nebuchadnezzar begins to reign in Babylon
-19yrs
586 BC- Nebuchadnezzar takes captives from Judah (Daniel and the rest- Jer 52:12)
-70yrs of captivity and Daniel prays.
516 BC-.A heavenly decree is given to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:23)
-49 yrs of rebuilding
467 BC – Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
-33 yrs
434 BC- Remainder of 62 weeks
-434 yrs (62 X7=434)
0 – There’s no 0 BC but this is the exact time the messiah is born, dividing the two time periods.
+33yrs The life of messiah here on Earth
33 AD- Messiah is killed
-33 yrs– Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
0 back to zero (The antichrist comes but is restrained until the gospel is spread to all the nations by the disciples and apostles- the two witnesses)
+3.5 yrs (half of the last 7 yrs where the apostles and disciples spread the gospel as a witness to the nations)
3.5 AD The antichrist takes reign of the world and first order is to kill the two witnesses.
+3.5yrs (figurative and must be calculated – his (antichrist’s) number is 666. So hemust rule for a total of:
3.5 x 666 x360/365.25=2297.49 yrs
3.5 AD +2297.49yrs= 2300.99yrs
Dan 8:14 He said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored."
I'll tell you why there's an attempt to change times and why Jesus lived for 33 yrs only.
-19yrs
586 BC- Nebuchadnezzar takes captives from Judah (Daniel and the rest- Jer 52:12)
-70yrs of captivity and Daniel prays.
516 BC-.A heavenly decree is given to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:23)
-49 yrs of rebuilding
467 BC – Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
-33 yrs
434 BC- Remainder of 62 weeks
-434 yrs (62 X7=434)
0 – There’s no 0 BC but this is the exact time the messiah is born, dividing the two time periods.
+33yrs The life of messiah here on Earth
33 AD- Messiah is killed
-33 yrs– Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
0 back to zero (The antichrist comes but is restrained until the gospel is spread to all the nations by the disciples and apostles- the two witnesses)
+3.5 yrs (half of the last 7 yrs where the apostles and disciples spread the gospel as a witness to the nations)
3.5 AD The antichrist takes reign of the world and first order is to kill the two witnesses.
+3.5yrs (figurative and must be calculated – his (antichrist’s) number is 666. So hemust rule for a total of:
3.5 x 666 x360/365.25=2297.49 yrs
3.5 AD +2297.49yrs= 2300.99yrs
Dan 8:14 He said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored."
I'll tell you why there's an attempt to change times and why Jesus lived for 33 yrs only.
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