The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!
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There are many here on CC that like Joseph Prince. Some members will actually come after you if you say anything negative about him.
But why? When I watch him on TV he's no different than any other televangelist. And like any televangelist, he has his share of false doctrines that he teaches. He's Word of Faith, he teaches hypergrace(Yeah, it's different than the grace we know), he teaches Mother Grace doctrine (RCC), & other things I can't remember.
We will show without a shadow of a doubt he teaches some of these doctrines by video out of his own mouth.
As the Op I will strive to be civil & not twist scripture or lie about any statements I make. It's my desire that the readers will make up their own minds about Joseph Prince.
The videos that will be shown are not perfect. Their job is to show BY AGREEMENT they all say the same thing about Joseph Prince. Their purpose is to testify as to who he really is.
Warning: This thread may get volatile. There are those that will lie, make unsubstanciated claims, even twist the Scriptures..... they will do anything in their power to ruin this thread. Don't let them get to you. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in their vain disputes. Please pray for me that I won't get caught up in it either. It's my prayer that you the reader will see thru their shenanigans with spiritual discernment & learn the truth for yourself. You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth.
One more thing to remember.....
Galatians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Enjoy the videos.
Stephen63
But why? When I watch him on TV he's no different than any other televangelist. And like any televangelist, he has his share of false doctrines that he teaches. He's Word of Faith, he teaches hypergrace(Yeah, it's different than the grace we know), he teaches Mother Grace doctrine (RCC), & other things I can't remember.
We will show without a shadow of a doubt he teaches some of these doctrines by video out of his own mouth.
As the Op I will strive to be civil & not twist scripture or lie about any statements I make. It's my desire that the readers will make up their own minds about Joseph Prince.
The videos that will be shown are not perfect. Their job is to show BY AGREEMENT they all say the same thing about Joseph Prince. Their purpose is to testify as to who he really is.
Warning: This thread may get volatile. There are those that will lie, make unsubstanciated claims, even twist the Scriptures..... they will do anything in their power to ruin this thread. Don't let them get to you. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in their vain disputes. Please pray for me that I won't get caught up in it either. It's my prayer that you the reader will see thru their shenanigans with spiritual discernment & learn the truth for yourself. You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth.
One more thing to remember.....
Galatians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Enjoy the videos.
Stephen63
don't ya'll think it is a bit un-Christian for some to bash the same person over and over. I mean, why do some seem to disdain the Grace of God so much. it is the ONLY thing that keeps any of us out of hell, which is where we all deserve to go, because we HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
some folks need to let that truth sink in, it levels the playing field for us all.
# I know ( or care ) nothing about mr. prince.
some folks need to let that truth sink in, it levels the playing field for us all.
# I know ( or care ) nothing about mr. prince.
This has been shown to be false in the deceitful way it has been portrayed. ...and he was using an analogy. He does not say that grace is Mother Grace as in it is a God. That's the heretic hunter's deceitful words used in capitals to make it "appear" to be different then the intent it was used.
Read Galatians 4 and you will see the two covenants contrasted. Law and grace. He is saying we come the from grace covenant.
You know about this and this has been shown to be what it really is a few times and yet you still proceeded with this malicious slandering?
Your malice is deceiving you and you are going to end up in a Hebrews 12:15 situation and you just might be there now as you are attempting to defile others now.
Stephen63 stop this nonsense before you defile yourself and others any more.
Read Galatians 4 and you will see the two covenants contrasted. Law and grace. He is saying we come the from grace covenant.
You know about this and this has been shown to be what it really is a few times and yet you still proceeded with this malicious slandering?
Your malice is deceiving you and you are going to end up in a Hebrews 12:15 situation and you just might be there now as you are attempting to defile others now.
Stephen63 stop this nonsense before you defile yourself and others any more.
Of course they have been addressed - many times by many different people...go read any thread like this one and you will see that all has been addressed before.
BUT this hasn't stopped the malicious slandering from continuing. As someone says - by their fruits you will know them.
The reality is - discredit the messenger - you discredit the gospel of the grace of Christ.
I have said this a few times on CC as well as others too...I don't agree with everything Prince or any other teacher in the body of Christ says - but as far as the gospel of Christ and the constant lifting up of the wonderful work of grace, love and person of Christ is concerned - Prince is right on!
BUT this hasn't stopped the malicious slandering from continuing. As someone says - by their fruits you will know them.
The reality is - discredit the messenger - you discredit the gospel of the grace of Christ.
I have said this a few times on CC as well as others too...I don't agree with everything Prince or any other teacher in the body of Christ says - but as far as the gospel of Christ and the constant lifting up of the wonderful work of grace, love and person of Christ is concerned - Prince is right on!
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Watch this one..... no additions, no comments. Joseph Prince tells us that this last generation is the "Benjamin generation", & that the church will have 5 times more blessings & 5 times more prosperity.
This is solely Joseph Prince's prophecy to the church. He takes it from Genesis where Joseph gave Benjamin 5 times more than his brothers AND the silver cup that Joseph used to charge Benjamin with stealing.
There is no scripture anywhere that even comes close to confirming such a prophecy. MOTHER GRACE is mentioned in this prophecy, too.
BTW, this prophecy was given in 2012. Prince also wrote a book about it.
[video=youtube;g5vpLiTSoRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5vpLiTSoRo[/video]
I warned about this sort of thing on another thread, but because the ministry was unpopular to most people on CC, my warning simply got run down and ignored.
I personally am not a big fan of Joseph Prince, but I don't like this sort of thing when a ministry/person is defamed by taking short clips and taking them out of context - you can run anyone into the ground by doing such things.
I think we need to be able and willing to discuss and preachers or ministry, but if you want to post and discuss such a thing on a thread, you need to be willing to take the time to research and document: and do it fairly and know what you are talking about. This thing of shortcutting and taking clips or quotes from another ministry that no one knows if they are telling the truth or not is utter nonsense.
But this is what makes me quite upset. The thread I mentioned in the opening line was "119 Errrors?" On Post #24 I pointed out that the thread was simply a quote from what I tried to document was a website that had a doctrinal statement that I think most here on CC would not be comfortable with or agree with.
So this 119 Ministries was supposedly selling " tassels (they even sell them for $19.95)" -- So people were joking about these tassels! Did anyone check it out to see if this was true? I doubt it! (But if somebody did - God bless you - that is what we need to do!)
Now I am definitely not a supporter of 119 Ministries either: but here is my point: Let's not support and encourage this type of quoting and video clips at any time or any place. If we support it and use it against ministries we don't like, then we have no right to make a big fuss when someone else does the same thing against people or ministries we do like.
Discussing people or ministries and what they teach needs to and should be done: but let's do it fairly, wisely, and with Biblical love.
I personally am not a big fan of Joseph Prince, but I don't like this sort of thing when a ministry/person is defamed by taking short clips and taking them out of context - you can run anyone into the ground by doing such things.
I think we need to be able and willing to discuss and preachers or ministry, but if you want to post and discuss such a thing on a thread, you need to be willing to take the time to research and document: and do it fairly and know what you are talking about. This thing of shortcutting and taking clips or quotes from another ministry that no one knows if they are telling the truth or not is utter nonsense.
But this is what makes me quite upset. The thread I mentioned in the opening line was "119 Errrors?" On Post #24 I pointed out that the thread was simply a quote from what I tried to document was a website that had a doctrinal statement that I think most here on CC would not be comfortable with or agree with.
So this 119 Ministries was supposedly selling " tassels (they even sell them for $19.95)" -- So people were joking about these tassels! Did anyone check it out to see if this was true? I doubt it! (But if somebody did - God bless you - that is what we need to do!)
Now I am definitely not a supporter of 119 Ministries either: but here is my point: Let's not support and encourage this type of quoting and video clips at any time or any place. If we support it and use it against ministries we don't like, then we have no right to make a big fuss when someone else does the same thing against people or ministries we do like.
Discussing people or ministries and what they teach needs to and should be done: but let's do it fairly, wisely, and with Biblical love.
Why is it garbage grace? What do you know about the word of faith movement? Who started it and what do they teach? I know prince believes that kenneth hagin is a great man who is one of the early fathers of wof. Do you know what he taught grace? One thing he taught was, "What you say with your mouth you receive." In other words, "blab it and grab" theology.
Prince also has the classic wof view of Isaiah 53:5 where it says, "By His stripes you are healed." In other words, the verse to them means there is physical healing in the cross. You also mentioned 1 Peter 2:1,2 about getting off baby formula and start drinking milk but do you know what 1 Peter 2: 2324,25 says about Isaiah 53:5?
"and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; FOR BY HIS STRIPES/WOUNDS YOU WERE HEALED. What kind of healing is the Apostle Peter talking about? Vs25 gives the answer. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd fand Guardian of your souls." Does that sound like physical healing is in the atonement to you grace?
This type of blantant eisogesis gives to the followers false hope and who do you think prince leaned it from? Kenneth Hagin, E.W Kenyon (who was actually before Hagin) Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Creflo $ollar, and dozens more of word of faith false teachers and prophets I might add. And the ironic thing is the fact that I only gave one little verse they rip out of its context to deceive others. And btw, spare me the "lame" excuse" that "Oh their just taken out of context" because this is what the so-called "heresy hunters" do. To you I say, "Horse Hockey!" Milk anyone?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Prince also has the classic wof view of Isaiah 53:5 where it says, "By His stripes you are healed." In other words, the verse to them means there is physical healing in the cross. You also mentioned 1 Peter 2:1,2 about getting off baby formula and start drinking milk but do you know what 1 Peter 2: 2324,25 says about Isaiah 53:5?
"and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; FOR BY HIS STRIPES/WOUNDS YOU WERE HEALED. What kind of healing is the Apostle Peter talking about? Vs25 gives the answer. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd fand Guardian of your souls." Does that sound like physical healing is in the atonement to you grace?
This type of blantant eisogesis gives to the followers false hope and who do you think prince leaned it from? Kenneth Hagin, E.W Kenyon (who was actually before Hagin) Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Creflo $ollar, and dozens more of word of faith false teachers and prophets I might add. And the ironic thing is the fact that I only gave one little verse they rip out of its context to deceive others. And btw, spare me the "lame" excuse" that "Oh their just taken out of context" because this is what the so-called "heresy hunters" do. To you I say, "Horse Hockey!" Milk anyone?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well that's great yonah? Just ignore the words of Jesus and some of the other Apostles and kinda of hope the Fathers arm (which is not short ) will take care of everything huh?
What did Jesus say at Matthew 24:5? "For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ, yet shall deceive many. Did you get that yonah, men will arise representing Jesus Christ will end up actually deceiving others including themselves as being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13, "But evil men AND IMPOSTERS will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." And what is your advice yonah, everybody sing "kumbaya" and let the Father handle things hoping His
Spirit will straighten things out?
So if a guy like Kenneth Copleand a key word of faith teacher/preacher says the following propheycy, "Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you are God ... They crucified Me for claiming I was God. I didn't claim that I was God; I just claimed that I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah! That's what you're doing ..." ("Take Time to Pray," Believer's Voice of Victory, 2/87, p. 9)."
Did Jesus Christ claim to be God yonah? Of course He did and that is why they crucified Him for the crime of blasphemy. And btw, I have the "Believers Voice of Victory" maganzine from 1987 where Copeland made this prophecy. And guess what he says in the next paragraphs? He says that a woman will be in her kitchen baking whatever, let's say brownies and she will be immediately "astro projected" to another country like India and will preach the gospel to them. This is how far out Copeland is. Needless to say none of this has happened.
So if you want to sit on your hands and say nothing about teachers and preachers going around the landscape teaching flase doctrine, go ahead because you will be held responsible for your actions of not doing anything. In fact, here is what Ezekiel 3:18,19 says, "When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; AND YOU DO NOT WARN THE SICKED from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND." Vs19, Yet IF YOU HAVE WARNED THE WICKED, and he does not not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; BUT YOU HAVE DELIVERD YOURSELF." I suggest you read Acts 20:28-31. Need I say more?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
) will take care of everything huh? What did Jesus say at Matthew 24:5? "For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ, yet shall deceive many. Did you get that yonah, men will arise representing Jesus Christ will end up actually deceiving others including themselves as being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13, "But evil men AND IMPOSTERS will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." And what is your advice yonah, everybody sing "kumbaya" and let the Father handle things hoping His
Spirit will straighten things out?
So if a guy like Kenneth Copleand a key word of faith teacher/preacher says the following propheycy, "Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you are God ... They crucified Me for claiming I was God. I didn't claim that I was God; I just claimed that I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah! That's what you're doing ..." ("Take Time to Pray," Believer's Voice of Victory, 2/87, p. 9)."
Did Jesus Christ claim to be God yonah? Of course He did and that is why they crucified Him for the crime of blasphemy. And btw, I have the "Believers Voice of Victory" maganzine from 1987 where Copeland made this prophecy. And guess what he says in the next paragraphs? He says that a woman will be in her kitchen baking whatever, let's say brownies and she will be immediately "astro projected" to another country like India and will preach the gospel to them. This is how far out Copeland is. Needless to say none of this has happened.
So if you want to sit on your hands and say nothing about teachers and preachers going around the landscape teaching flase doctrine, go ahead because you will be held responsible for your actions of not doing anything. In fact, here is what Ezekiel 3:18,19 says, "When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; AND YOU DO NOT WARN THE SICKED from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, BUT HIS BLOOD I WILL REQUIRE AT YOUR HAND." Vs19, Yet IF YOU HAVE WARNED THE WICKED, and he does not not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; BUT YOU HAVE DELIVERD YOURSELF." I suggest you read Acts 20:28-31. Need I say more?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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There are many here on CC that like Joseph Prince. Some members will actually come after you if you say anything negative about him.
But why? When I watch him on TV he's no different than any other televangelist. And like any televangelist, he has his share of false doctrines that he teaches. He's Word of Faith, he teaches hypergrace(Yeah, it's different than the grace we know), he teaches Mother Grace doctrine (RCC), & other things I can't remember.
We will show without a shadow of a doubt he teaches some of these doctrines by video out of his own mouth.
As the Op I will strive to be civil & not twist scripture or lie about any statements I make. It's my desire that the readers will make up their own minds about Joseph Prince.
The videos that will be shown are not perfect. Their job is to show BY AGREEMENT they all say the same thing about Joseph Prince. Their purpose is to testify as to who he really is.
Warning: This thread may get volatile. There are those that will lie, make unsubstanciated claims, even twist the Scriptures..... they will do anything in their power to ruin this thread. Don't let them get to you. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in their vain disputes. Please pray for me that I won't get caught up in it either. It's my prayer that you the reader will see thru their shenanigans with spiritual discernment & learn the truth for yourself. You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth.
One more thing to remember.....
Galatians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Enjoy the videos.
Stephen63
But why? When I watch him on TV he's no different than any other televangelist. And like any televangelist, he has his share of false doctrines that he teaches. He's Word of Faith, he teaches hypergrace(Yeah, it's different than the grace we know), he teaches Mother Grace doctrine (RCC), & other things I can't remember.
We will show without a shadow of a doubt he teaches some of these doctrines by video out of his own mouth.
As the Op I will strive to be civil & not twist scripture or lie about any statements I make. It's my desire that the readers will make up their own minds about Joseph Prince.
The videos that will be shown are not perfect. Their job is to show BY AGREEMENT they all say the same thing about Joseph Prince. Their purpose is to testify as to who he really is.
Warning: This thread may get volatile. There are those that will lie, make unsubstanciated claims, even twist the Scriptures..... they will do anything in their power to ruin this thread. Don't let them get to you. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in their vain disputes. Please pray for me that I won't get caught up in it either. It's my prayer that you the reader will see thru their shenanigans with spiritual discernment & learn the truth for yourself. You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth.
One more thing to remember.....
Galatians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Enjoy the videos.
Stephen63
well Bluto how about you show me where I ignore the Saviors words huh? with such an accusation not even knowing exactly what I meant by what I wrote you not only falsely accuse me but then presume to council me about reading the bible... heres council for you: read prov. 18:13 and try to act less on your presumptions and try making righteous judgement before you go condemning anothers words without so much as one question to clarify what it is I do mean by my statement.
Why is it garbage grace? What do you know about the word of faith movement? Who started it and what do they teach? I know prince believes that kenneth hagin is a great man who is one of the early fathers of wof. Do you know what he taught grace? One thing he taught was, "What you say with your mouth you receive." In other words, "blab it and grab" theology.
Prince also has the classic wof view of Isaiah 53:5 where it says, "By His stripes you are healed." In other words, the verse to them means there is physical healing in the cross. You also mentioned 1 Peter 2:1,2 about getting off baby formula and start drinking milk but do you know what 1 Peter 2: 2324,25 says about Isaiah 53:5?
"and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; FOR BY HIS STRIPES/WOUNDS YOU WERE HEALED. What kind of healing is the Apostle Peter talking about? Vs25 gives the answer. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd fand Guardian of your souls." Does that sound like physical healing is in the atonement to you grace?
This type of blantant eisogesis gives to the followers false hope and who do you think prince leaned it from? Kenneth Hagin, E.W Kenyon (who was actually before Hagin) Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Creflo $ollar, and dozens more of word of faith false teachers and prophets I might add. And the ironic thing is the fact that I only gave one little verse they rip out of its context to deceive others. And btw, spare me the "lame" excuse" that "Oh their just taken out of context" because this is what the so-called "heresy hunters" do. To you I say, "Horse Hockey!" Milk anyone?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Prince also has the classic wof view of Isaiah 53:5 where it says, "By His stripes you are healed." In other words, the verse to them means there is physical healing in the cross. You also mentioned 1 Peter 2:1,2 about getting off baby formula and start drinking milk but do you know what 1 Peter 2: 2324,25 says about Isaiah 53:5?
"and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; FOR BY HIS STRIPES/WOUNDS YOU WERE HEALED. What kind of healing is the Apostle Peter talking about? Vs25 gives the answer. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd fand Guardian of your souls." Does that sound like physical healing is in the atonement to you grace?
This type of blantant eisogesis gives to the followers false hope and who do you think prince leaned it from? Kenneth Hagin, E.W Kenyon (who was actually before Hagin) Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Creflo $ollar, and dozens more of word of faith false teachers and prophets I might add. And the ironic thing is the fact that I only gave one little verse they rip out of its context to deceive others. And btw, spare me the "lame" excuse" that "Oh their just taken out of context" because this is what the so-called "heresy hunters" do. To you I say, "Horse Hockey!" Milk anyone?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Isaiah 53:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Matthew 8:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.