The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!

[bluto]

Joseph Prince speaking of his influence by EW Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin, and Kenneth Copeland.

[video=youtube;vS3GyyIBzhc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS3GyyIBzhc[/video]

Here you go stephen, a little synopsis of the three key word of faith teachers that prince mentioned in the video that he holds in high regard. And btw, it's not hard to elaborate with tons of heretical teachings of these three people and other key figures that also follow them.

THE CAST OF CHARACTERS​

Twisted texts, make-believe miracles, and a counterfeit Christ are all common denominators of the Faith movement’s leading teachers. And, as all who look into the matter will clearly see, it all began with the metaphysical teachings of Essek William Kenyon.

Essek William Kenyon​

Essek William Kenyon, whose life and ministry were enormously impacted by such cults as Science of Mind, the Unity School of Christianity, Christian Science, and New Thought metaphysics,[SUP]23[/SUP] is the true father of the modern-day Faith movement. Many of the phrases popularized by present-day prosperity preachers, such as “What I confess, I possess,” were originally coined by Kenyon. Kenneth Hagin, to whom we next turn our attention, plagiarized much of Kenyon’s work, including the statement, “Every man who has been ‘born again’ is an Incarnation, and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an Incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.”[SUP]24[/SUP]

Kenneth E. Hagin​

As I thoroughly demonstrate in my book Christianity in Crisis (Harvest House, 1993), Kenneth Hagin takes Kenyon’s theology from bad to worse. Not only does he boast of alleged visits to heaven and hell, he recounts numerous out-of-body experiences (OBEs) on the earth as well.
On one occasion, Hagin claims he was in the middle of a sermon when, suddenly, he was transported back in time. He ended up in the back seat of a car and watched as a young woman from his church committed adultery with the driver. The entire experience lasted about fifteen minutes, after which Hagin abruptly found himself back in church, summoning his parishioners to prayer.[SUP]25[/SUP]
Despite his propensity for telling tall tales and describing false visions, virtually every major Faith teacher has been impacted by Hagin — including such “luminaries” as Frederick K. C. Price and Kenneth Copeland.

Kenneth Copeland​

Kenneth Copeland got his start in ministry as a direct result of memorizing Hagin’s messages. It wasn’t long before he had learned enough from Hagin to establish his own following. To say his teachings are heretical would be an understatement — blasphemous is more like it. Copeland brashly pronounces God to be the greatest failure of all time, boldly proclaims that “Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross” (emphasis in original),[SUP]26[/SUP] and describes Christ in hell as an “emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit.”[SUP]27[/SUP]
Yet, despite such statements, Benny Hinn ominously warned that “those who attack Kenneth Copeland are attacking the very presence of God!”[SUP]28

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto[/SUP]

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I agree! and for further clarification the finished work of Christ is also taking about the resurrection and ascension of Christ too. Without the resurrection we would not be made new creations in Christ Jesus.

There is a process...

1) the cross ( where we have died too - this is how we carry our cross daily - recognizing that we have died on the cross with Jesus )

2) the burial - Christ was buried - and so were we. This shows that we too were buried with Him and water baptism is an outward symbol of what happened to us in Christ.

3) the quickening - made alive by the Holy Spirit which brought Jesus back from the dead - through His own blood. Hebrews 13:20 ( we too were quickened by the Holy Spirit )

4) the resurrection - in which Jesus was raised up and we too have been raised up with Him. Romans 6

5) the ascension - we too with Christ has ascended with Him to sit with Him at the right hand of the Father. Eph. 2

In order to grow up in Christ - we need to walk in all of these truths but the cross is the start and how we should be viewing ourselves and others as having been crucified with Him. Gal.2:20 Romans 6:6

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV).

As we live this resurrection life we are being saved through sanctification until we receive our glorified bodies. The Cross of Christ is the power of God. So important is the cross that “when you fail to make the cross the central focus of your life–your identity in Christ–you run the risk of experiencing extreme disconnection in the various areas of what you do.” It affects absolutely everything; there is nothing it does not touch.

 

[Grace777x70]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV).

As we live this resurrection life we are being saved through sanctification until we receive our glorified bodies. The Cross of Christ is the power of God. So important is the cross that “when you fail to make the cross the central focus of your life–your identity in Christ–you run the risk of experiencing extreme disconnection in the various areas of what you do.” It affects absolutely everything; there is nothing it does not touch.

Yep!..I agree ..that is why I said the cross is crucial in my previous post. We must identify with the fact that we too died with Christ on the cross in order to walk in the subsequent truths of the finished work of Christ.

Also...the "being saved" is in the present passive - which means that it is happening to us - we are not doing it ourselves.

It's exciting to behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror, when we do that the Holy Spirit transforms us ( again present tense with the passive voice is used here for this transformation done by the Spirit of God within us ) from glory to glory to reflect Christ that is already in us in our inner man. 2 Cor. 3:17-12

People will "see" Christ in us as we walk in our true identity in Christ - and this all came about because of the cross of our loving Lord Jesus Christ who died for us so that we could be with Him and the Father. Their love and grace was and is that great for us!

 

[Stephen63]

Joseph Prince - Future Sins Theology Exposed by Dr Brown

[video=youtube;y8YiHSQQ7jw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8YiHSQQ7jw[/video]

 

[Grace777x70]

Forgiveness is a done deal - either believe it or don't believe it.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present time. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

 

[Stephen63]

Here you go stephen, a little synopsis of the three key word of faith teachers that prince mentioned in the video that he holds in high regard. And btw, it's not hard to elaborate with tons of heretical teachings of these three people and other key figures that also follow them.

THE CAST OF CHARACTERS​

Twisted texts, make-believe miracles, and a counterfeit Christ are all common denominators of the Faith movement’s leading teachers. And, as all who look into the matter will clearly see, it all began with the metaphysical teachings of Essek William Kenyon.

Essek William Kenyon​

Essek William Kenyon, whose life and ministry were enormously impacted by such cults as Science of Mind, the Unity School of Christianity, Christian Science, and New Thought metaphysics,[SUP]23[/SUP] is the true father of the modern-day Faith movement. Many of the phrases popularized by present-day prosperity preachers, such as “What I confess, I possess,” were originally coined by Kenyon. Kenneth Hagin, to whom we next turn our attention, plagiarized much of Kenyon’s work, including the statement, “Every man who has been ‘born again’ is an Incarnation, and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an Incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.”[SUP]24[/SUP]

Kenneth E. Hagin​

As I thoroughly demonstrate in my book Christianity in Crisis (Harvest House, 1993), Kenneth Hagin takes Kenyon’s theology from bad to worse. Not only does he boast of alleged visits to heaven and hell, he recounts numerous out-of-body experiences (OBEs) on the earth as well.
On one occasion, Hagin claims he was in the middle of a sermon when, suddenly, he was transported back in time. He ended up in the back seat of a car and watched as a young woman from his church committed adultery with the driver. The entire experience lasted about fifteen minutes, after which Hagin abruptly found himself back in church, summoning his parishioners to prayer.[SUP]25[/SUP]
Despite his propensity for telling tall tales and describing false visions, virtually every major Faith teacher has been impacted by Hagin — including such “luminaries” as Frederick K. C. Price and Kenneth Copeland.

Kenneth Copeland​

Kenneth Copeland got his start in ministry as a direct result of memorizing Hagin’s messages. It wasn’t long before he had learned enough from Hagin to establish his own following. To say his teachings are heretical would be an understatement — blasphemous is more like it. Copeland brashly pronounces God to be the greatest failure of all time, boldly proclaims that “Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross” (emphasis in original),[SUP]26[/SUP] and describes Christ in hell as an “emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit.”[SUP]27[/SUP]
Yet, despite such statements, Benny Hinn ominously warned that “those who attack Kenneth Copeland are attacking the very presence of God!”[SUP]28

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto[/SUP]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bluto again.

 

[JGIG]

Joseph Prince - Future Sins Theology Exposed by Dr Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8YiHSQQ7jw

[video=youtube;QS2mzHP1Cx4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2mzHP1Cx4[/video]

 

[PeterJens]

I find myself in an odd situation.
Dyed in the wool legalists turned liberationists who are happy to lie and distort everything
are quite a contradiction. There appears no conscience or point you can make that will
strike home because they have no conscience or desire to keep it clean. Why should they
they are forgiven.

Everything sounds one way, but is actually totally different. God does not care about behaviour
only faith. Mans problem is not accepting Jesus is giving out free tickets to heaven, no strings
attached, and once in never lost. Sounds more like satans horde repainting the church as the
world and saying it is all a shame, just words. And their scheme is to conquer the world and rule
it with Christ for 1000 years.

The problem is in a wealthy nice society this is all very twee and nice, get a bit real and brutal,
and there is nothing left. In the time of Jeremiah they were exactly the same, peace, peace, God
will bless you etc. This is their end

The land is full of adulterers;
because of the curse the land lies parched
and the pastures in the wilderness are withered.
The prophets follow an evil course
and use their power unjustly.
“Both prophet and priest are godless;
even in my temple I find their wickedness,”
declares the Lord.
“Therefore their path will become slippery;
they will be banished to darkness
and there they will fall.
I will bring disaster on them
in the year they are punished,”
declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 23:10-12

 

[CharlieGrown]

Wow, 11 pages of Joseph Prince, Okay then....

 

[Grace777x70]

Joseph Prince - Future Sins Theology Exposed by Dr Brown

[video=youtube;y8YiHSQQ7jw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8YiHSQQ7jw[/video]

Unfortunately Dr. Brown - being an Armenian ( which means people loser their salvation which is in some sects of the Pentecostal religion ) would definitely be against the truth that our sins are forgiven in Christ.

Dr. Brown is wrong about that if we don't forgive others - then God will not forgive us. That's NOT the gospel. It is in fact the complete opposite of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Look at the word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of Christ being preached and no where does it say to "forgive first or you will not be forgiven" I'll give you the exact scripture references . Peter - Acts 10:43 and Paul Acts 13:38

Have you ever heard Billy Graham say " Forgive people first before you come to receive Christ's forgiveness"?..of course not..it is anti-the gospel.

It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by mad-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.

The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us.

We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.

 

[Grace777x70]

Joseph Prince - Future Sins Theology Exposed by Dr Brown

[video=youtube;y8YiHSQQ7jw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8YiHSQQ7jw[/video]

Did Peter and Paul had it wrong when they preached the gospel? How can we mis-interpret the scriptures that talk about forgiveness after the Cross?

Here's Peter..shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Here is exactly what Peter said when he "preached the gospel of the grace of Christ to Cornelius' household"

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."


And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus" ...selah


Here is what Paul said to the Jews when he "preached the gospel of the grace of Christ" to them:

Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

 

[PeterJens]

Sin is death, poison, that which rots and destroys all that has come from the Lord

We are to flee sin, not embrace it and ignore it as if it does not matter.
Conscience is the instrument of a clean heart. A normal functioning person has
a sensitive heart.

But here believers are saying the hurt they create in those around and in God does not
matter, it is just forgiven. Ok minor issues, ignore them, they do not add to much.

But start stealing, living a sexually immoral life, lying, manipulating others for your own
benefit, what have you become and are? A person doomed to hell.

But none of this matters. Because you are saved, and you can never conquer.

This is walking in hypocracy and death. There is no hope for people who intend to walk like
this and claim they follow Christ. They are doomed to their final destination, Hell, the lake of
fire. Nowhere does Jesus compromise with sin, ever. He died on the cross to free us from sin
not to make it acceptable.

 

[PeterJens]

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Heb 10:14

A liar will say, look at this scripture, God did not lay conditions on these people, just repent
and believe, and walk in holiness.

Oh but all they meant was Jesus's holiness, because sinners are always sinners and defeated
so it is all Christ, or it is all fake, no power, no victory, no reality.

Only a liar could take the cross and preach sin is ok.

 

[mpaper345]

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(material and monetary): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

God says plain and simple withdraw yourself from those that preach the prosperity Gospel,for having food,and clothing,be content.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

They pray wrongly to consume it upon their lusts.

The thing I do not like about the prosperity Gospel is they lust for things of the flesh,material things,and monetary,when God only blesses us with out needs,and if we can to help the poor,for God loves people not giving saints lots of money for personal use.

Another thing about name it and claim it,it is like they are almost demanding God do it,because they name it,as if God does not have a say so in the matter.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

This is addressing the saints that if they err from the truth,which how can this happen if it is once saved always saved,and if a saint converts the sinner,but how can this be if once we are converted,we are always converted,shall save a soul from death,how can this happen if it is once saved always saved,for if the soul is dead then it is eternally lost,for the flesh can be dead,but the soul cannot be dead or it will be eternally lost,but how can a saint truly been saved,get in a position where their soul is dead,and needs converting to cause their soul to be alive.

So if the person saved,sins,until it is given up,that person has erred from the truth,and his soul dead,and has to be converted again,so abstaining from sin is essential.

So how is future sins taken care of if they can get in the position where they are lost when they sin,and stay lost until they repent.

So when we sin we have to repent,and give it up,a thing we do on our part,not it is automatically covered,and forgiven,despite us sinning.

 

[heavenly_bound]

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(material and monetary): from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

God says plain and simple withdraw yourself from those that preach the prosperity Gospel,for having food,and clothing,be content.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

They pray wrongly to consume it upon their lusts.

The thing I do not like about the prosperity Gospel is they lust for things of the flesh,material things,and monetary,when God only blesses us with out needs,and if we can to help the poor,for God loves people not giving saints lots of money for personal use.

Another thing about name it and claim it,it is like they are almost demanding God do it,because they name it,as if God does not have a say so in the matter.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

This is addressing the saints that if they err from the truth,which how can this happen if it is once saved always saved,and if a saint converts the sinner,but how can this be if once we are converted,we are always converted,shall save a soul from death,how can this happen if it is once saved always saved,for if the soul is dead then it is eternally lost,for the flesh can be dead,but the soul cannot be dead or it will be eternally lost,but how can a saint truly been saved,get in a position where their soul is dead,and needs converting to cause their soul to be alive.

So if the person saved,sins,until it is given up,that person has erred from the truth,and his soul dead,and has to be converted again,so abstaining from sin is essential.

So how is future sins taken care of if they can get in the position where they are lost when they sin,and stay lost until they repent.

So when we sin we have to repent,and give it up,a thing we do on our part,not it is automatically covered,and forgiven,despite us sinning.

"Without me you can do absolutely nothing", says our precious Savior; not even "repentance"!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

If Christ did not take away the sin of the world - then all our sins would not be forgiven. All sins done after Christ died were in the future. Forgiveness is based on blood. The blood of Jesus.

Through "Him" we have redemption - the forgiveness of sins. That is the gospel and it goes against the religious traditions that were taught to us.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

Colossians 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:


Matthew 26:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.



Hebrews 9:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

 

[CeileDe]

I didn't read through all the posts because this just feels like Deja Vu. I don't belong to the hyper grace camp nor the Joseph Prince Nazi Squad. I can find any pastor, minister, evangelist, priest etc.... and critique them until I find something they said that I don't agree with or something I might think they said that doesn't line up with the Bible.

I have listened to Joseph Prince, Andrew Wommack, Paul Washer, John MacArthur and so on and so on. I have found things I didn't agree with with all the above mentioned people. I have found things that I could say sounded like they weren't lining up with scripture. Does this make each of these men heretics or Non-Christians?

If we are all so perfect then why aren't we out there spilling our hearts out witnessing and preaching to the masses? Man I wish I was perfect where I don't make mistakes everyday or make a claim about scripture and oooops, I was wrong.

I follow the Celtic Tradition and don't agree completely with things some members of this tradition say. Do I call them out on it and head hunt until they agree with my stance on biblical interpretation? What we need to do is talk about our common ground, things that we agree on within scripture. Once we can do this then maybe we will be mature enough to handle the tougher questions we all might have. Lets not automatically accuse and think we are the right answer on everything within scripture.

 

[bluto]

You don't know what your talking about grace regarding Matthew 6:14-15 and Dr. Brown is right. This has nothing to do with the gospel which is nicely outlined at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as it pertains to salvation proper. The believer's concern in this prayer is for other believers, and he must be sure he is not allowing unforgiven sins, trespasses, transgressions to mar the fellowship with others. The reason is the fact that our relationship with others "AFFECTS" our relationship with God.

The Bible is clear and teaches that a person cannot be right with God and have a wrong attitude towards others. Why do you think that Dr. Brown brought up his wife as an example of there being tension between the two of them for whatever reason and it will affect his relationship with God. Why do you think 1 John 1:7-10 is in the Bible?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Grace777x70]

"Without holiness no man shall see the Lord" - now there is a common scripture used out of context to serve up a religious dish.

Let's have a look at that scripture to see "in context" what it is talking about.

We need to take scripture in context or that text will con you. Take Hebrews 12:14 as an excellent example.

Taken isolated - we dream up all sorts of man-made traditions. But it context with "other" scriptures around it - it becomes evident what is being spoken about here.

Hebrews 12:12-15 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble,

[SUP]13 [/SUP] and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.

[SUP]14 [/SUP] Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

The context of this verse, Hebrews 12:13 instructs us to not walk in a manner that will cause others to stumble. It is talking about keeping our members strengthened and helping them out that are weak. ( verses 12-13 )

Therefore, I believe this verse isn’t talking about us seeing God in the future but rather that if we don’t act in a holy manner, no one will see the Lord in our lives. ( we are a living epistle )

That would certainly be a true statement that is not only consistent with Hebrews 12:14 but leads perfectly into Hebrews 12:15.


Our actions don’t earn the grace of God. That wouldn’t be grace (Romans 11:6). Therefore, we don’t fall from grace by not being holy enough to earn it.

Galatians 5:4 speaks of falling from grace by putting faith in our works instead of having our faith firmly placed in Christ and what He did for us. So, the way people “fall from the grace of God” is through legalism.


Hebrews 12:15 - Notice that bitterness in our lives doesn’t just hurt or poison us but many people. Again the context of this verse shows that we are supposed to walk in a manner that influences others in a positive way. If we get bitter, that bitterness will affect others.

Works-based salvationsists have used this verse to beat people with for years as we know we are sanctified forever in our inner man now and we do need to work out what is already in us in Christ in our outward behavior.

This has nothing to do with " becoming un-born " and not seeing the Lord ourselves and thus losing the free gift He gave us in Christ's finished work.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here's a novel idea - why don't we just believe the Lord when scripture says He has redeemed us with His blood and that we in fact do have forgiveness of sins.

As you can see we have been taught in our church traditions that 1 John 1:9 was like a bar of soap for believers and yet there is no scripture that talks about it at all. Paul who wrote 1/3 of the NT didn't say anything about this except that we have forgiveness of sins in a continuous state.

I believe well meaning people think they are defending the faith when they oppose this truth about having complete forgiveness of sins but in reality they are just defending their man-made tradition.

This kind of a stronghold in our minds is a really tough one to root out but the Holy Spirit does reveal to us the awesome truth of what our Lord Jesus has done for us and that we are free in Him!

I say let's be believers and actually start believing in what Jesus has done for us.

If this confessing of sins "in order" to receive forgiveness is so important to believers...why wouldn't Paul talk about it in any of his epistles?

I believe all Christians should be confessing all things with their Father and Lord. We should be confessing ( which means to say the same thing, to agree with - in Greek ) not only all sins but everything Jesus has provided for us in His finished work.

1 John 1:9 was telling those people that didn't believe that there is "sin" at all or that they in fact do sin but 1 John 1:9 was saying to confess that there is sin and that you need a Savior.

The sins of unbelief in the work of Christ is the one sin that will cause you to spend eternity without experiencing the life of God in us.