The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!

[Stephen63]

this is just so much tripe and more the battle cry of a disgruntled person, who for some reason, just cannot find peace with God, than it is anything else

there simply is not hyper grace..as I stated some weeks ago

there is only grace...you understand it or you do not

I cannot fathom the mindset that refuses to see what those they accuse actually post and instead must lie, exaggerate and accuse

does that sound like a Godly pastime? then why answer it!?!

I have never campaigned for OSAS...I have always thought we are responsible before God..to follow Jesus, to walk in the light, to have our sins forgiven when we sin and to make peace with others as much as is possible...as much as is possible, because it becomes painfully obvious, some do not even want peace

please be assured the only grace that is available is God's grace

frankly, if someone actually does have a relationship with Jesus, why are they so doggone busy trying to tell others that THEY don' have one?

there is no sneaking in any statements...what there is, is vitriol and false accusations coming from a 53 year old man that apparently has nothing better to do than attack people

who honestly? should not even be responded to ...so basically I am talking to YOU people...but I don't think you will listen either because for months I have said stop responding

and I see some of you saying stop responding but then you don't even take yourself seriously

you are never ever going to solve anything because you are trying to chase down something that for some reason, God Himself allows to operate

now, you either understand that or you do not

and I won't be answering the angry 53 year old man or responding to him...I'm not even posting this for him

why do you find it necessary to keep this going? is God glorified?

I dropped out of these conversations...because they do more harm then good and the op is ALWAYS angry...and so are a few others around here

there is nothing to be gained here...14 pages of regurgitated vomit...nothing good

Notice this poster said it's not hypergrace, it's grace.

• Grace with another definition
• Faith with another definition
• Repentance with another definition
• Confession with another definition
• Conviction with another definition
• No more Holy Spirit conviction or confession or repentance after changing our minds & accepting that Jesus did all & does all
• It's not Jesus' words that save.....it's Jesus himself. Most of what He said was "old covenant"
• We don't follow Jesus..... we're IN Jesus
• Jesus is a man in Heaven..... the only way He could be our Savior & make intercession for us.

​Nobody has to believe a single word I just wrote..... be a Berean & research it yourself.

The entirety of this false doctrine is to bring the Savior & the Gospel down to man's sinful level..... not bring us up to His.

 

[Stephen63]

Joseph Prince : A Different Gospel. Exposed.

[video=youtube;S-kD-4zVlMY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-kD-4zVlMY[/video]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Notice this poster said it's not hypergrace, it's grace.

• Grace with another definition
• Faith with another definition
• Repentance with another definition
• Confession with another definition
• Conviction with another definition
• No more Holy Spirit conviction or confession or repentance after changing our minds & accepting that Jesus did all & does all
• It's not Jesus' words that save.....it's Jesus himself. Most of what He said was "old covenant"
• We don't follow Jesus..... we're IN Jesus
• Jesus is a man in Heaven..... the only way He could be our Savior & make intercession for us.

​Nobody has to believe a single word I just wrote..... be a Berean & research it yourself.

The entirety of this false doctrine is to bring the Savior & the Gospel down to man's sinful level..... not bring us up to His.

forgive me and others if we feel your watered down version of Gods level. And the biblical version of Gods level, which is far and above anything any man or woman can accomplish.

It is sad that you are so determined to expose something you do not agree with, you will lie about them to make yourself appear right.

 

[HisHolly]

Notice this poster said it's not hypergrace, it's grace.

• Grace with another definition
• Faith with another definition
• Repentance with another definition
• Confession with another definition
• Conviction with another definition
• No more Holy Spirit conviction or confession or repentance after changing our minds & accepting that Jesus did all & does all
• It's not Jesus' words that save.....it's Jesus himself. Most of what He said was "old covenant"
• We don't follow Jesus..... we're IN Jesus
• Jesus is a man in Heaven..... the only way He could be our Savior & make intercession for us.

​Nobody has to believe a single word I just wrote..... be a Berean & research it yourself.

The entirety of this false doctrine is to bring the Savior & the Gospel down to man's sinful level..... not bring us up to His.

This I will 100% agree with. If that's what you see in his ministry then you are 100% correct.. While I think u lack tactfulness, the above, if true, can't in truth be fought.. The heart of JP, is God's to discern and judge.. All we can do is compare and give correction and pray those who follow, take it...

 

[PeterJens]

forgive me and others if we feel your watered down version of Gods level. And the biblical version of Gods level, which is far and above anything any man or woman can accomplish.

It is sad that you are so determined to expose something you do not agree with, you will lie about them to make yourself appear right.

The above language of changes the Lords boundaries is what man does all the time.
The reason why we need to be meek, humble and very careful, because we are not the authors
of Gods word, He is.

Man changes everything. Look at King Saul. Why not let the king live, be merciful when God
commanded death, that is being more loving surely?

God the creator of the universe is never mocked or slow in knowing the right thing to do.
If you play with God, he will play with you, and you will never see it coming.

The battle has never been about people or power but what is possible, and saving any lost
souls is almost impossible, because we appear so close yet impossibly lost.
Now EG lies continually, gets things wrong, miss-construes and distorts it all and then denies
it.

The funny thing is he believes he is winning, while we are learning more and more about HG
and its total moral bankcruptcy. Good people will always behave well, but if seriously disfunctional
people get among their group, chaos.

What we are charting for the wider christian community is the end of this movement and why it fails.
You will always get fine sounding teachers etc. but when it is rebellion against Gods word, that is the
end. Among their own, and their failed lives break out, they will eat each other and destroy each others
reputation to try and hang on to any credibility. It all hangs on the wealth of the churches that support
them, kill that, and these demigogs fall as well, because why should they bother, they were only in it for
the money.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The above language of changes the Lords boundaries is what man does all the time.
The reason why we need to be meek, humble and very careful, because we are not the authors
of Gods word, He is.

Man changes everything. Look at King Saul. Why not let the king live, be merciful when God
commanded death, that is being more loving surely?

God the creator of the universe is never mocked or slow in knowing the right thing to do.
If you play with God, he will play with you, and you will never see it coming.

The battle has never been about people or power but what is possible, and saving any lost
souls is almost impossible, because we appear so close yet impossibly lost.
Now EG lies continually, gets things wrong, miss-construes and distorts it all and then denies
it.

The funny thing is he believes he is winning, while we are learning more and more about HG
and its total moral bankcruptcy. Good people will always behave well, but if seriously disfunctional
people get among their group, chaos.

What we are charting for the wider christian community is the end of this movement and why it fails.
You will always get fine sounding teachers etc. but when it is rebellion against Gods word, that is the
end. Among their own, and their failed lives break out, they will eat each other and destroy each others
reputation to try and hang on to any credibility. It all hangs on the wealth of the churches that support
them, kill that, and these demigogs fall as well, because why should they bother, they were only in it for
the money.

Yep.lets water down Gods law. and make sure we are above the cut off. Of what is righteous and not righteous. (or we can be like a few in here, who think they no longer sin, even though they will not admit it)

Heck, Why do we need Christ, I can be righteous myself. I do not need Christ, He should have stayed in heaven, he di dnot need to die.

I am amazed at how people can say things, then not see in reality what they are really saying.

 

[Grandpa]

The above language of changes the Lords boundaries is what man does all the time.
The reason why we need to be meek, humble and very careful, because we are not the authors
of Gods word, He is.

Man changes everything. Look at King Saul. Why not let the king live, be merciful when God
commanded death, that is being more loving surely?

God the creator of the universe is never mocked or slow in knowing the right thing to do.
If you play with God, he will play with you, and you will never see it coming.

The battle has never been about people or power but what is possible, and saving any lost
souls is almost impossible, because we appear so close yet impossibly lost.
Now EG lies continually, gets things wrong, miss-construes and distorts it all and then denies
it.

The funny thing is he believes he is winning, while we are learning more and more about HG
and its total moral bankcruptcy. Good people will always behave well, but if seriously disfunctional
people get among their group, chaos.

What we are charting for the wider christian community is the end of this movement and why it fails.
You will always get fine sounding teachers etc. but when it is rebellion against Gods word, that is the
end. Among their own, and their failed lives break out, they will eat each other and destroy each others
reputation to try and hang on to any credibility. It all hangs on the wealth of the churches that support
them, kill that, and these demigogs fall as well, because why should they bother, they were only in it for
the money.

Who are they that rebel against Gods Word but them who attack Faith, Grace and Salvation?

Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by your flesh?

Matthew 16:16-18
[FONT=&quot]16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.[/FONT]

 

[Chester]

So what works would you have to do to remove yourself and be disinherited?

Is there anything you could do or would God Himself have to do it?

Have you ever had your son or daughter get super mad at you and tell you that you weren't their dad anymore? I have. It was really funny. They thought that by saying it it could be true. But guess what? I'm still their dad. Always have been. Even at the moment where they thought they could "divorce" me.

I like you Chester. You're fun.

My assurance of salvation has nothing remotely to do with "doing" things - Your questions are irrelevant to my beliefs and position.

I right now today am holding on with both hands to my Lord and Saviour - There is no one else to turn to! He alone is my friend, my Saviour, my Lord, and my everything. I daily love Him, I daily keep on repenting of sins in my life, I daily allow him to do good works through me, I daily worship Him, I daily . . . (and you haven't heard 1% yet of what He is to me)

Just being honest - you all can fuss and fuss and fuss and try to say that I can't have assurance of salvation - but you can't take it from me! I have gotten hold of my Saviour and am not letting go! No way!

Next line - I suppose you think I really believe in OSAS and really don't know it! Ha! If so, I bet you will be laughing at with) me (in a good deep happy sort of way) for a million years when we reach glory!

Actually - I bet you really do not believe in OSAS and really don't know it! Ha! If so, I will get to laugh at (with) you for a billion years

 

[PeterJens]

Yep.lets water down Gods law. and make sure we are above the cut off. Of what is righteous and not righteous. (or we can be like a few in here, who think they no longer sin, even though they will not admit it)

Heck, Why do we need Christ, I can be righteous myself. I do not need Christ, He should have stayed in heaven, he di dnot need to die.

I am amazed at how people can say things, then not see in reality what they are really saying.

I am surprised at this slander. Did Christ walk without sin? Did Jesus rebuke his disciples as
unrepentant sinners or as clean people?

Did Paul walk in holiness, purity and integrity or in sin and self condemnation?

So in reality these hyper legalists slander ordinary believers as hypocrites on the idea
they themselves do not need to be righteous because it is impossible. What a load of
junk. So everyone is now lost and a total slave to sin even though Christ died on the
cross so that we might be free.

But hey to these guys sin is not the problem it is believing in Jesus. But this is not Jesus
of the bible but a supernatural gift zapper, who makes you into creator beingings who can
command things into existance exnihilo - except this does not happen and has never happened
and is blasphemy. But then blasphemy is no boundary for these guys.

Sin has always been the issue between man and God, sin being caused by our lack of communion
with Christ.

But as they do not know this communion or victory over sin, everything has to be changed to make
sense of how they still believe and yet are still slaves to sin. And oh, its because they were deceived
before but now they see it is actually they are meant to be lost sinners who are saved to sin some more.
In fact the more you mature the more you know how much you sin and can do nothing about it.

Well this kind of hell is not what Jesus promised or did in my life, so I hope they enjoy it before they
face the real thing.

 

[PeterJens]

Who are they that rebel against Gods Word but them who attack Faith, Grace and Salvation?

Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by your flesh?

Matthew 16:16-18
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It is difficult to say I am rebelling against Gods word if I am walking in purity and righteousness.
That is what we are called to do, or did you miss that memo. It is what the people of God are,
the righteous. But hey, you cannot accept that God would accept lost, failed individuals,
sort them out, help them to be loving caring good people who shine with good works in
the face of others. But look at King David, or Saul, or Peter. Not the best of people, with
many flaws yet God used them and blessed them.

So you bunch of hyper legalists, stop being hypocritical and deal with the sin that besets
you and humble yourselves and obey God from the heart or face His judgement.

Condemning me who comes in Gods word, with Gods good news is exactly what the teachers
of the law did to Christ and the apostles. Only when we are straight before God personally
can any of us see properly to help others.

But hey you will just try and eat me up and spit me out, but I have done what God has called
me to do. God bless you, and may His love, which abounds unbelievably graciously among us
redeemed sinners, find acceptance in your hearts and that we might all meet before His throne
and give the Lord of Glory worship due to His Name, amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am surprised at this slander. Did Christ walk without sin? Did Jesus rebuke his disciples as
unrepentant sinners or as clean people?

Did Paul walk in holiness, purity and integrity or in sin and self condemnation?

So in reality these hyper legalists slander ordinary believers as hypocrites on the idea
they themselves do not need to be righteous because it is impossible. What a load of
junk. So everyone is now lost and a total slave to sin even though Christ died on the
cross so that we might be free.

But hey to these guys sin is not the problem it is believing in Jesus. But this is not Jesus
of the bible but a supernatural gift zapper, who makes you into creator beingings who can
command things into existance exnihilo - except this does not happen and has never happened
and is blasphemy. But then blasphemy is no boundary for these guys.

Sin has always been the issue between man and God, sin being caused by our lack of communion
with Christ.

But as they do not know this communion or victory over sin, everything has to be changed to make
sense of how they still believe and yet are still slaves to sin. And oh, its because they were deceived
before but now they see it is actually they are meant to be lost sinners who are saved to sin some more.
In fact the more you mature the more you know how much you sin and can do nothing about it.

Well this kind of hell is not what Jesus promised or did in my life, so I hope they enjoy it before they
face the real thing.

Slander?

Are you perfect peter? or do you still sin?

if you still sin, then according to Gods law, you are condemned and worthy of hell..

so how did I just slander you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is difficult to say I am rebelling against Gods word if I am walking in purity and righteousness.

Who said you were, Who is your guide, What law do you follow that tells you you are walking in a pure righteous lifestyle?

 

[Grandpa]

I right now today am holding on with both hands to my Lord and Saviour -

When you were a child and held on to your parents I bet you thought if you let go you would fall.

But its not true. Your parents would have continued holding you even if you let go.

If your earthly parents can give good gifts to their children How Much More will your Father in Heaven give?

Its all part of the I will never leave you nor forsake you stuff. What God has started inside you He is faithful to finish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When you were a child and held on to your parents I bet you thought if you let go you would fall.

But its not true. Your parents would have continued holding you even if you let go.

If your earthly parents can give good gifts to their children How Much More will your Father in Heaven give?

Its all part of the I will never leave you nor forsake you stuff. What God has started inside you He is faithful to finish.

Thats why I say it is a faith issue.

 

[Stephen63]

This I will 100% agree with. If that's what you see in his ministry then you are 100% correct.. While I think u lack tactfulness, the above, if true, can't in truth be fought.. The heart of JP, is God's to discern and judge.. All we can do is compare and give correction and pray those who follow, take it...

Perhaps I don't seem to have much tact because of obedience. You just cannot bless anybody, especially if they're evil.

9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

So, yes, I treat people differently. Jesus did, too.

 

[PeterJens]

Yep.lets water down Gods law.

Now this is a grevious slander, worthy of hell.
Gods law is Gods law, pure and simple. It is not added to or taken away from.

The accusation is Gods people are hypocrites because while they sin they claim they are
righteous. This is slander because unless specific examples about an individual are shown,
and something that says they have diluted a law, it is the equivalent of saying people are
worthy of judgement and the lake of fire.

But these people will lie and be unspecific at the drop of a hat. It is like lying is no problem,
taking Gods word and taking them however they feel rather than showing proper respect and taking
time and listening to as many sources and their heart as possible. It is why the HG movement
blasphemes about command authority, healing, prosperity, and everything in the gospel with complete
abandon.

But judgement will fall. And what faith they claim to have will evaporate, and they will be left
as broken people who will be mocked at their great claims to success and domination over others.
But even this does not bring fear to their hearts because they believe Jesus is on their side, even
though their hearts tell them all the time of their sin and failure which they are bound to, and cannot
get free from.

 

[PeterJens]

Who said you were, Who is your guide, What law do you follow that tells you you are walking in a pure righteous lifestyle?

So you are my accuser. What sin have I commited? What impure thing have I done?
What defiling action do I need to repent of? You do not know because you are just an unbeliever.
And the Law the people of God follow is the law of the Spirit, we are slaves to righteousness.

Maybe you read about that in romans. I suggest you start following it, if you want to really
get to know Jesus, but I think it is miles too late for you, because you already know where you
are, evil doer.

 

[HisHolly]

Perhaps I don't seem to have much tact because of obedience. You just cannot bless anybody, especially if they're evil.

9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

So, yes, I treat people differently. Jesus did, too.

You're not Jesus.. He did instruct us to bless.. If not how are different from those who are kind only to those who are kind to them? You know the unenlightened ones?

 

[LaurenTM]

here is a gentle reminder to stephen...he once apologized for the very behavior he is currently displaying




I am writing this thread to all of CC to ask your forgiveness for sins I have committed against many of you in the Bible Study Forum.


When I started reading this forum, I was at times ticked off & infuriated at some of the things that I witnessed that was happening. I saw decent, well-intentioned Christians open various Bible topics only to find themselves under attack by other users in the forum. This involved attacking their integrity, their reputation, their christian values, & almost always their theology. I witnessed users get banned because they would fly off the handle at someone that had set them off when under "normal" circumstances they probably wouldn't have done it.

As a result of this, I became heavily involved in "standing up" for some of these brethren & their beliefs, as well as my own. I personally stood against other users to try to put a stop to some of it. I thought I was doing a good thing, because sometimes it would yield results. I found myself committing the same sins I had set out to stop. I was wrong.

I myself had become angry, resulting in bitterness & vengeance. There were times I started feeling good about "telling it like it is". I did not know it at the time, but I was spiritually declining as a result of these "battles". I think what finally woke me up was I watched a Christian video posted on here called "Know your enemy". It showed a group of people called Jesuits who were trained to do whatever they needed to do to stop the Protestant Movement. They were told "The end justifies the means". This means whatever sinful thing they had to do was ok as long as they did it for their religion.

I realized I myself was doing this. I went as far to use the same tactics others were using to try & beat them at their own game. I discovered I was becoming unequally yoked with my opponents. The proof was I was slowly becoming one of them myself.

With all the pressure, persecution & temptations I've faced as a pastor for the past 6 years, by the grace of God I never succumbed to it. Yet on an international christian chat site I did an obvious wrong while not believing it was.

I have used rudeness, tactics, & vengeance without counting the cost. I realize now that there is no excuse for such behavior. I am ashamed & embarrassed by my actions. I believe if I committed these sins openly, I should also confess it openly. Nobody coerced me to do this....... I just believe it's the only right way. Since I am known by my fruits, to me this is the way to show I'm desiring to raise a different kind of crop.

I deeply regret my behavior on this site & ask those I've hurt & offended to please forgive me.

There are two other things I would ask of all of you. Learn from my mistakes & don't fall into the same sins I did. I wouldn't want that to happen to anybody. Second, Pray for me & others who have done these things. We need it!

Your brother in Christ,
Stephen63

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you are my accuser. What sin have I commited? What impure thing have I done?
What defiling action do I need to repent of? You do not know because you are just an unbeliever.
And the Law the people of God follow is the law of the Spirit, we are slaves to righteousness.

I am not God, I never said I was your accuser.

I asked what guide you use to prove you are walking in righteousness and holyness.

Why did you try to deflect from the question and slander me by saying I said or did something I never did.?

Again, I ask, Can you read and understand what people ask, Or do you have a problem?

Maybe you read about that in romans. I suggest you start following it, if you want to really
get to know Jesus, but I think it is miles too late for you, because you already know where you
are, evil doer.

So I ask you where you get your guide, and you call me evil. Should I assume that you can not answer what your guide is, so you attack me to make it y fault? How should anyone who reads this response to my question take you?

Dude should I report you. You have now called me names a few times today.

Can you answer me, What is your guide?