The Real Truth About Joseph Prince!

[Magenta]

[video=youtube;EYzfTdIZoP0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzfTdIZoP0[/video]

 

[PeterJens]

My observation as an enemy of some and brother to others.

Unless an action can be demonstrated as damaging to oneself or another or God it is not
a sin. To accuse someone of distorting Gods word needs to be explained carefully or one
is sinning against that person and possibly God and His word.

I try if I can to express the beliefs of all as they appear to me. It is based on looking at the
ideas and words and what they mean in various contexts. It will always be an approximation
but then that is the limitations of language.

Now I know this helps me and others to expand and explore the scenery. After thought some
including myself may change their perspective. I have about purity, holiness, walking in communion
with Christ. Paul is so much deeper in his appreciation of so many different issues and also how
practical and down to earth he is. So much is about who we are and our attitudes to so much,
and what we should do and not do. It is so detailed and complex one could get lost.

But then this is the power of bdf, if you can put on your armour and embrace Christ.
And Pilgrims Progress, Amen. So I hope I can encourage you all to search more into
Christ and His words. God made man spoke to us, the authority of all creation, yet in our complex
lives we take each word at first glance, when staring at some phrases you realise they
are almost infinite. I am a very poor believer, because I am only scratching the surface of my
King. So please, please spend more time in His word, in His life, in His presence, because in
Him is life, Amen

 

[PeterJens]

lol. Peter reminds me of myself 20 years ago Thats why I am so hard on him, I know he has hope. he just has to be shown his contradictions, like I was.

Thank you for the complement, I appreciate it. I appreciate you seeing I have hope.
God bless you, may the Lord bless you and bring peace to your soul.

 

[PinkDiamond]

Much love and many kudos to Stephen for that apology.

I don't think Stephen is hateful or malicious. I have enjoyed reading a lot of his posts in other threads. I think he has a lot of good views and insight to offer.

I didn't think this thread was a good idea though and I stated that earlier in this thread. I think Grace 777x70 posted the best advice way back on page one. I don't think these discussions produce anything fruitful and can be a snare for contention and strife. I really don't think anyone from either persuasion is going to be convinced to alter their beliefs from particioation in such a chaotic thread
.

 

[Chester]

I don't think Stephen is hateful or malicious. I have enjoyed reading a lot of his posts in other threads. I think he has a lot of good views and insight to offer.

I didn't think this thread was a good idea though and I stated that earlier in this thread. I think Grace 777x70 posted the best advice way back on page one. I don't think these discussions produce anything fruitful and can be a snare for contention and strife. I really don't think anyone from either persuasion is going to be convinced to alter their beliefs from particioation in such a chaotic thread
.

Too bad that you were not present when Paul and Barnabas argued over John Mark and each went their own ways! The story might have turned out differently!

Thanks for the spirit of love and Christ-likeness you portray.

 

[oldethennew]

for me and mine, there's just so much of 'nuff-said' here!!, it's just worn out!

 

[Stephen63]

here is a gentle reminder to stephen...he once apologized for the very behavior he is currently displaying

I am writing this thread to all of CC to ask your forgiveness for sins I have committed against many of you in the Bible Study Forum.


When I started reading this forum, I was at times ticked off & infuriated at some of the things that I witnessed that was happening. I saw decent, well-intentioned Christians open various Bible topics only to find themselves under attack by other users in the forum. This involved attacking their integrity, their reputation, their christian values, & almost always their theology. I witnessed users get banned because they would fly off the handle at someone that had set them off when under "normal" circumstances they probably wouldn't have done it.

As a result of this, I became heavily involved in "standing up" for some of these brethren & their beliefs, as well as my own. I personally stood against other users to try to put a stop to some of it. I thought I was doing a good thing, because sometimes it would yield results. I found myself committing the same sins I had set out to stop. I was wrong.

I myself had become angry, resulting in bitterness & vengeance. There were times I started feeling good about "telling it like it is". I did not know it at the time, but I was spiritually declining as a result of these "battles". I think what finally woke me up was I watched a Christian video posted on here called "Know your enemy". It showed a group of people called Jesuits who were trained to do whatever they needed to do to stop the Protestant Movement. They were told "The end justifies the means". This means whatever sinful thing they had to do was ok as long as they did it for their religion.

I realized I myself was doing this. I went as far to use the same tactics others were using to try & beat them at their own game. I discovered I was becoming unequally yoked with my opponents. The proof was I was slowly becoming one of them myself.

With all the pressure, persecution & temptations I've faced as a pastor for the past 6 years, by the grace of God I never succumbed to it. Yet on an international christian chat site I did an obvious wrong while not believing it was.

I have used rudeness, tactics, & vengeance without counting the cost. I realize now that there is no excuse for such behavior. I am ashamed & embarrassed by my actions. I believe if I committed these sins openly, I should also confess it openly. Nobody coerced me to do this....... I just believe it's the only right way. Since I am known by my fruits, to me this is the way to show I'm desiring to raise a different kind of crop.

I deeply regret my behavior on this site & ask those I've hurt & offended to please forgive me.

There are two other things I would ask of all of you. Learn from my mistakes & don't fall into the same sins I did. I wouldn't want that to happen to anybody. Second, Pray for me & others who have done these things. We need it!

Your brother in Christ,
Stephen63

That's not just a post..... That's a THREAD, made in 2013. And yes, I've learned some hard lessons since I've been on CC. I was open & honest about the circumstances. Let me put a little context with that since you dug it up..... Post #3

I've never seen any of your posts where I saw rudeness or attacking, Stephen. Of course, I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure any person reading your post can learn from what you've said. I definitely can see how this comes about because of all the conflicting points of view here, plus the fact that anyone from anywhere can come in here and call themselves Christian, and at least for a period of time, say cruel attacking things to anyone. I think most of the attacks are passive-aggressive so they get away with it. This "oh I'm fighting for a good cause; hence, I can be as cruel as I'd like" Machiavellian attitude many have on here is ridiculous, especially when they can't be sure they themselves are right about what they're saying. This self appointed "I know the truth and you don't" is what makes Christianity look so bad today, and I'm talking between Christians. The Christian world is tearing apart the body of Christ.

I remember my mom telling me once when I was a small child about the Civil War. She mentioned John Brown. She said he was an extremely bad man. She then said he was against slavery, and I said, "but that's a good thing, right?'' She said well sure, but John Brown was a fanatic, and that a fanatic really only cares about the cause and not real people. John Brown ended up murdering people and doing other terrible things in the name of his "cause." I didn't understand it then, but I sure do now.

Thanks, Lauren for the post. It confirms my reputation, my integrity, my desire for the truth. I voluntarily wrote that thread because the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sin & I had to repent.

To the HG's......

• When's the last time you repented of anything?
• When's the last time you confessed you did anything wrong?
• Are you fighting ,arguing, accusing, mocking, digging up dirt on others, twisting scripture, & redefining salvation for people, OR FOR YOUR CAUSE?

My apology to the whole CC is the fruit of my labor, & I'm not ashamed of it.

 

[PeterJens]

HG repent - change your mind and agree with God ( well ones own version )
confess - agree with God
Whenever possible slag off the opposition, tell everyone how stupid lost and empty
they are, and how this is the best ever approach, sit back and realise you are Christ so no
worries or issues to handle, front seat ride to paradise or is that 72 virgins. lol

 

[Stephen63]

we may forget what we say and what we promise to God and others but God does not forget

again, there is no hyper grace

the grace of God is all there is...

those who prefer to call it hyper, actually have personal arguments with those they accuse...that is what is really going on here

I DAILY go before God and ask for forgiveness and pray that He keep me from sin...yet...and I have read where others do the same

yet, this continual DEMONIC arguing goes on and on and on

no one is going to win here

no one

there are no points to be made...there is only one table and you are throwing food at each other

so, you false accusers, liars and twisters of truth...stop doing that...I have plainly now just said I go before God every single day and make sure my account with Him is settled because I do fear Him...in the right way...He is Holy, Just and True

be sure God is not glorified in this thread...read the op again...he CHALLENGED you to respond and to argue with him

that spirit is NOT from God

Here's the Op:

There are many here on CC that like Joseph Prince. Some members will actually come after you if you say anything negative about him.
But why? When I watch him on TV he's no different than any other televangelist. And like any televangelist, he has his share of false doctrines that he teaches. He's Word of Faith, he teaches hypergrace(Yeah, it's different than the grace we know), he teaches Mother Grace doctrine (RCC), & other things I can't remember.

We will show without a shadow of a doubt he teaches some of these doctrines by video out of his own mouth.

As the Op I will strive to be civil & not twist scripture or lie about any statements I make. It's my desire that the readers will make up their own minds about Joseph Prince.

The videos that will be shown are not perfect. Their job is to show BY AGREEMENT they all say the same thing about Joseph Prince. Their purpose is to testify as to who he really is.

Warning: This thread may get volatile. There are those that will lie, make unsubstanciated claims, even twist the Scriptures..... they will do anything in their power to ruin this thread. Don't let them get to you. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in their vain disputes. Please pray for me that I won't get caught up in it either. It's my prayer that you the reader will see thru their shenanigans with spiritual discernment & learn the truth for yourself. You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth.

One more thing to remember.....
Galatians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Enjoy the videos.
Stephen63

Now, what part did I personally challenge anybody?
Did the Op lie? One only needs to look at the last two pages to see I didn't.

I also noted you stated plainly the spirit that works in me is not from God.
First, you try to dig up dirt on me, & now you say I have an evil spirit..... Are you getting desperate?

What kind of spirit do I have when I say "You deserve to know the truth. God wants you to know the truth"?!?

 

[Stephen63]

STOP IT!!!

you are not his judge!

you are displaying the very same spirit that he is!

Again I ask you..... what spirit is that, since you are implying you discern spirits. Please tell all of us about my dirty laundry.

 

[PeterJens]

Again I ask you..... what spirit is that, since you are implying you discern spirits. Please tell all of us about my dirty laundry.

You know the funny thing with this stop it, they used to try that with me.
But we are adults with our own way of expressing things.

And are the HG crowd following some moral agenda or playing nice?
I have not seen it anywhere. They harange one individual and never get anywhere
because all the arguements are based on assumptions.

Change the assumptions you get a different point of view. And worse still "demons"
are involved, which is odd, considering the time of controlled discussion that is going
on, maybe delusion or projection of intent or emotion, but this crazy, nope.

But then again the lack of movement or even conceptual understanding being displayed,
maybe emotional self deception. And those mentioning malice and hatred, and even worse,
they may have some real issues, that have nothing to do with being innocent.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a great message about lifting Jesus up in our lives. It'll bless us as we put Jesus as the center of everything as He really is the center of everything. We are dependent on Jesus for all things. We have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3


[video=youtube;xWOzDZ0cRzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWOzDZ0cRzw[/video]

 

[Stephen63]

I really don't think anyone from either persuasion is going to be convinced to alter their beliefs from particioation in such a chaotic thread

This statement is spot on. IMO, absolutely true.
But..... This thread isn't to win the war argument, nor to win over HG's. It is for the readers..... to open their eyes to what's happening on CC in the BDF, to show them the truth about Joseph Prince.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is an example of what Prince teaches. He says that the battle is the Lord's. It's 16 minutes long. It's always good to hear it from the man himself when the video hasn't been edited by someone else and to see what is being said "in context".

This short teaching will bless you as you learn about the Lord going to battle for us! We have a great salvation in Him!

[video=youtube;BNGvS7gz_EU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGvS7gz_EU[/video]

 

[BenFTW]

This statement is spot on. IMO, absolutely true.
But..... This thread isn't to win the war argument, nor to win over HG's. It is for the readers..... to open their eyes to what's happening on CC in the BDF, to show them the truth about Joseph Prince.

You don't think it will just reveal your own ignorance to what Joseph Prince actually teaches in context? Then if confronted on your ignorance and presented with the truth will you still continue to speak falsely of a fellow believer and say he teaches something he does not?

VVhen is the point that a person is given a rebuttal and acknowledge they have been wrong all along? How many people have to correct you, and help you understand that what you believe the preacher is saying isn't actually what he is saying to then stop making such false accusations? I feel like people time and again have shown you that you have misunderstood Joseph Prince but you refuse to quit being defamatory.

So it goes on and on, to what end?

 

[Stephen63]

You don't think it will just reveal your own ignorance to what Joseph Prince actually teaches in context? Then if confronted on your ignorance and presented with the truth will you still continue to speak falsely of a fellow believer and say he teaches something he does not?

VVhen is the point that a person is given a rebuttal and acknowledge they have been wrong all along? How many people have to correct you, and help you understand that what you believe the preacher is saying isn't actually what he is saying to then stop making such false accusations? I feel like people time and again have shown you that you have misunderstood Joseph Prince but you refuse to quit being defamatory.

So it goes on and on, to what end?

Wow, now I'm ignorant.

Let me tell you sir, what you do to an ignorant man..... you sit by quietly & watch him prove his ignorance & hang himself.

So, why aren't you sitting in a corner quietly laughing to yourself?

I think the readers just looked right through you. (BTW, I'm sitting right now, laughing to myself)

 

[Stephen63]

Joseph Prince and the Marcionite Cult.Exposed.

[video=youtube;B8H76I6wGAg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8H76I6wGAg[/video]

 

[Grace777x70]

We love the book of Jude. Seeing this thread is all about Joseph Prince - Here is what Prince says about Jude and is grace really a license to sin? Let's find out! It's only 16 minutes long


[video=youtube;5fIqZ5sPSEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg[/video]

 

[Stephen63]

Marcionism was an Early Christian dualist belief system that originated in the teachings of Marcion of Sinope at Rome around the year 144.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Marcion believed Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chiefapostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of theNew Testament. This belief was in some ways similar to Gnostic Christian theology; notably, both are dualistic, that is, they posit opposing gods, forces, or principles: one higher, spiritual, and "good", and the other lower, material, and "evil" (compareManichaeism), in contrast to other Christian views that "evil" has no independent existence, but is a privation or lack of "good",[SUP][2][/SUP] a view shared by the Jewish theologianMoses Maimonides.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant ordemiurge (see also God as the Devil). Marcion was labeled a gnostic by Philip Schaff,[SUP][4][/SUP]while other scholars[SUP][who?][/SUP] have rejected that categorization. Marcion's canon consisted of eleven books: A gospel consisting of ten sections that also appeared in the Gospel of Luke; and ten Pauline epistles.
Marcion's canon rejected the entire Old Testament, along with all other epistles and gospels of the 27 book New Testament canon because they transmitted "Jewish" ideas.[SUP][5][/SUP]Paul's epistles enjoy a prominent position in the Marcionite canon, since Paul is credited with correctly transmitting the gracious universality of Jesus' message in opposition to the harsh dictates of the "just god".
Marcionism was denounced by its opponents as heresy, and written against, notably byTertullian, in a five-book treatise Adversus Marcionem, written about 208. Marcion's writings are lost, though they were widely read and numerous manuscripts must have existed. Even so, many scholars (including Henry Wace) claim it is possible to reconstruct and deduce a large part of ancient Marcionism through what later critics, especially Tertullian, said concerning Marcion.
-Wikipedia

 

[BenFTW]

Wow, now I'm ignorant.

Let me tell you sir, what you do to an ignorant man..... you sit by quietly & watch him prove his ignorance & hang himself.

So, why aren't you sitting in a corner quietly laughing to yourself?

I think the readers just looked right through you. (BTW, I'm sitting right now, laughing to myself)

That wasn't an insult. I am also ignorant of certain things, it does not mean I am insulting your intelligence. I am simply pointing out your lack of knowledge and/or understanding of what someone is teaching. For all I know your intent may be impure and you just wish to malign this preacher. Hopefully not, and it is simply just a case of misunderstanding.