You posted a lot of scripture I agree with. I don't see how your whole argument supports this statement. One can also be an Israelite and be blinded, reject Christ, and not be on good terms with the God of Israel. In Romans 11, Paul uses 'Israel' to include such people as well.
Ethnicity does not save us. That does not mean that God no longer sees nations and kindreds. God promised Abraham that through Him all the kindreds of the earth would be blessed. There is also this verse in Isaiah 19,
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
(NKJV)
Equating 'Israel' with 'being saved' clearly does not work when we are reading and interpreting Romans 11, either.
Ethnicity does not save us. That does not mean that God no longer sees nations and kindreds. God promised Abraham that through Him all the kindreds of the earth would be blessed. There is also this verse in Isaiah 19,
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
(NKJV)
Equating 'Israel' with 'being saved' clearly does not work when we are reading and interpreting Romans 11, either.
I’m not equating one israel with being saved you are I’m saying there is an old israel defined By the old covenant because they are of abrams bloodline and jacobs descendants of jacobs sons ( the children of Israel ) and a new Israel born of Christ from any nation beginning at Christ not Adam
the reason there are two is explained in the Old Testament prophets in prophecy like this but you have to let it be relevant to what we’re talking about for it to make any sense
“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
Isaiah 65:1-9, 11-18 KJV
when Paul is talking about israel what he’s talking about is written in prophecy in the ot of the Bible is what I’m getting at his word is coming from what the law and prophets said out things like israel because it’s thier history. They’ve always been the people who received Gods word and then carried it out to the earth
“who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:4-8
What he’s saying and then goes into later is in Isaiah and other prophecy
All this stuff is well explained in the prophets and is quoting from them is my point Mainly
“even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; And her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; There shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: for he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: And whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
Romans 9:24-33 KJV
that’s basically all quotes from the prophets but to fully grasp it we need to find those prophecies and read them as a whole message and the. We find it’s just repetitive and keeps pointing to Jesus in every way
but brother I don’t feel as if you need to agree or anything with me and everything I say is just what I myself think , my opinions change when I hear something that makes more sense and then I just go with that if it fits better so I’m always open truly and always think we all have something to learn and share and teach