My words have been simple, and the Revelation is a simplistic interpretation which has no myth, fable, or mystery to it.
Then why the long spiel about milk and meat?
There are greater than you who shall resist as well because they have much more to lose.
Well that's all very heroic...
But what exactly do we have to lose?
you have been the one playing 'devil's advocate'
I had to laugh at this because if you're right then I really was playing devil's advocate wasn't I? But I don't have any reason to think you're right...
and you shall say that you prophesied correctly about my running out of sub. things to say
I'm neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I've been in a lot of conversations like this one, so it was an edumaceted guess.
Through all of this i can say this: whereas i have made many claims to what i beleive is the TRUTH, you have made none
Yes, I did. I claimed that the serpent, Adam, and Eve are three different persons. I made a lot of other truth claims too, but I guess that's the most relevant one.
whereas i can point to my Source with one finger
Well I've tried to show that your finger is just pointing at your head, where all your assumptions lie.
you seem to have many to point at.
I think I only appealed to reason, Scripture, and once I appealed to two commentaries on Scripture. I believe Scripture is the highest and final authority, but I don't believe it is the only authority. I agree with Francis Turretin when he said "reason is minster." I'm Reformed in my theology and us reformed folk have always seen reason as playing an ancillary role in theology, I can't make any apologies for that.
the difference between assupmtion and fact is faith.
So I can turn all my assumptions into facts by having faith in them.
For whereas i take it on faith that GEN 1 is complete as written, you leave the door open for uncertainty when you say GOD could have left something out.
Uncertainty isn't always a bad thing. Deuteronomy 29:29 says “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law." We might say that there are two types of things in this world, things we can know and things we can't. Ironically, we need to know when we can't know a thing and when we can. Doing that requires looking at a thing from different angles, flushing out the various possibilities, knowing the extent of what is implied and what can be inferred, and understanding the difference between possibility and probability.
Talking about having faith in the completeness of Genesis 1 is, again, very heroic sounding, but in my view it's just a little naive. There are lots of things Genesis doesn't tell us. Like every book of the Bible, it has a particular focus. It's not just recording facts to record facts like an almanac. It's trying to get a point across and to do that it leaves out some things and emphasizes others.
And let's keep in mind the type of "completeness" we are talking about here. Your "completeness" has to do with the notion that the command in Gen. 2 is a verbatim and exhaustive record. I'm saying that we don't know that is the case. Why am I saying that? Not because I'm into skepticism but because I can point to other places
in Scripture where we have the same thing. So my uncertainty is based on Scripture. Your certainty is based on your own presumptuousness.
Since you are certain the Revelation is untrue
Can you not see that it's *your
interpretation of revelation* that I think is untrue? Can you not distinguish between your interpretation and the actual Word of God or have the two things become one and the same in your mind?
start a new thread giving your beliefs on angel creation and the 'Fall' of them and man, and point to the sources from which you derive these.
Why should I do that? I'm not very interested in angels. I'm not one of those people who has an "angels are watching over me" bumper stickers. I don't know that they are and, frankly, I don't think it makes much difference either way.
As a christian, do you not desire that we should know the TRUTH, knowing that the TRUTH can set one free (Matt 8:32)? i, too, wish not to be deceived anymore about anything.
I'm all about knowing the truth, but I really find it boring to uselessly speculate about things. For example, I couldn't care less whether there is life on other planets. I'd rather go to the dentist than here someone talk about whether Melchizedek had parents or whether Nephilim are hybrid angel-people or whether we have guardian angels.. And I don't have the slightest inclination to speculate on how or when angels were created or how and when they fell.