The Role of the Woman

[Hepzibah]

I understand that is your opinion but are you saying that is what that passage of the Bible says?

I am saying that it very well could be and I understand it as such as it makes more sense.

 

[CeileDe]

I am saying that it very well could be and I understand it as such as it makes more sense.

I'm just not sure how you get that from Romans 1:24-27. This entire passage in the Bible is about Sexual sin. What part of it do you see that says anything else? Please break down each verse and explain how you come up with that conclusion?

 

[Hepzibah]

I have explained how I am interpreting Romans in the thread of that name. It would help if you read that.

 

[CeileDe]

I have explained how I am interpreting Romans in the thread of that name. It would help if you read that.

Well I will just leave it at this; you are completely wrong in your interpretation of it. I would take the time to read it if I could find anything in it that even comes close to what you are saying.

 

[Jeff_56]

un- un- un-

interjection..... husband/wife 'teams' for preaching the GOSPEL ?

have never, ever, never seen it work....

in Scripture or in the untied states...

except

ONCE, in chain, (reorganize the letters to make a country name) ....

they were missionaries from canada.... last name Goforth, around the time of the boxer rebellion...

 

[daggy]

Genesis 2:18-25New King James Version (NKJV)[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]A woman[SUP][a][/SUP] should learn in quietness and full submission. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[SUP][b][/SUP] she must be quiet.
What religious man could possibly accept that? I for one believe we are all equal , male , female , and to judge one above the other is totally insane , unless you may believe that the bible wasn`t written by men

 

[daggy]

I think the interruption of the words should be forgotten , they have changed over so many years no one know what was written , The feeling should be followed . he ,them , her , it ,shouldn't matter , .... The only thing that matters is do you think you are doing good ? . And if you are without following the Holy Grail you have succeeded.

 

[Jeff_56]

just like right before the flood, eh? "they all did what was right in their own eyes" (thought they were doing good).... and they all died, except 8 in the whole world who were saved.

and
to follow up,
there are those who do know what is written (and what was written),
abiding in christ jesus by yahweh's grace.


those who don't know, and don't seek, maybe/probably don't care and don't find......

 

[daggy]

so do you believe you are superior to a woman , who nurtures a child ? yes . the males who wrote the bible thought so to but only if their missus let them

 

[daggy]

only a male would think he owns the world

 

[daggy]

willing to debate with the males who think we should own the world , and the females should serve us , I figure that wasn't a godly believe

 

[ember]

daggy...you are not sure of your faith...ie you are not a believer

you could start your own thread if you would like to make fun...

 

[daggy]

I will make one more comment, this whole society has been built on mothers , daughters , females , not us clowns who run around with sticks beating each other to prove we are the best . families and loyalty has been the cornerstone of society . Not some new aged messiah name jesus , buddah , and whatever else is out there . You wish to pray to someone ? , your mother is just around the corner

 

[daggy]

not making fun

 

[daggy]

so ? would you go as far as to say males are superior ?

 

[daggy]

honestly all , i think everyone needs something to believe in , but i don't think the almighty is hanging about to listen to me , but it may be a comfort

 

[Stephen63]

Hi

I have brought over a post I made in the Romans thread as I feel that it is appropriate to the discussion.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain [8] God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. I think that a truer meaning is given in the AV. To begin, the word lust in the Greek has been wrongly interpreted in most translations, to be sexual lust when in fact it just means any strongly felt desire - for anything. Unfortunately it is being wrongly translated.

even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly.


Now I know that the following is going to be controversial and probably no-one will agree with me due to accepting the traditional way of thinking for so long, but this is how I see it as fitting into the rest of the letter.

I do not agree that Paul is talking about sex here. Is that the natural use of women!?! Is that what women have been created for!?! Well sadly, some men do think this way.

No, woman was created to be an equal partner to man, her use if it can be put that way, is to balance out the nature of man for she is one half of the human population after all, and what is suitable for men is not necessarily suitable for women. God's order is that the two sexes should share in everything that God wills for us.

Unfortunately since the fall, man has dominated woman and this is against God's will. It is also seen in the church. Women have been barred from translating and interpreting scriptures and it is only very recently that women have been allowed to 'do' theology. So we have a Bible that is coming from only one perspective and that is, the male one. One example is that sexual sin is seen from a male viewpoint as being a huge issue, but that is generally only where men are concerned.

In fact for women, their biggest sin is passivity. Sexual lust is just not something they suffer from in the main.

So we have Paul talking here about the biggest problem for mankind and especially for those in the church. However, the traditional interpretation of Paul is saying that male homosexuality is the biggest issue and the number one problem for mankind with no mention of lesbians. Is this what happens commonly when men do not acknowledge their maker or is this a biased interpretaion of what the translators, all men, think is the worst that men can fall into?? Really ?? Worse than murder?? We also have to take into acount that scripture speaks much more strongly and colourfully than the way it is today.

My understanding is that Paul is naming the biggest problem in the church not the outside world and this has happened when men put themselves on the throne of their heart and remove Christ, and thus showing the evidence for it, in that men prefer to join with men in running the church and denying women the role that Christ gave them to be equal in all things and needed by men moreover otherwise the churcgh cannot function as it should.

The result of this is that they fall into very backsliding sinners.

Congratulations..... no one else wants to talk about this thread anymore except you & your disagreeing friends. BTW, this seems to me to be nothing more than biblical disinformation..... not worth diddly.

This thread must be very important to Satan to try to burn christians against it..... busted!

 

[Stephen63]

How do these great women of God fit into your theology?

Anne Hutchinson 1591-1643 Anne was a preacher in 17th century Massachusetts
Margaret Fell 1614-1702
She co-founded the Quakers with George Fox. One of the books she wrote was called Women's Speaking Justified, Proved and Knowed of the Scriptures.
Anne Dutton 1692-1765 Anne was a theologian
Selina, Countess of Huntingdon 1707-1791 Selina was a key figure in the Methodist Movement of the 18th Century.
Sarah Osborn 1714-1796 Sarah was a Christian leader and writer
Sarah Crosby 1729-1804 Sarah was a famous Methodist preacher
Ann Lee 1736-1784 Ann was a Quaker missionary
Hannah More 1745-1833 Hannah was a famous writer and philanthropist.
Hannah Adams 1755-1831 Hannah was a famous Christian writer.
Elizabeth Ann Seton 1774-1821 She was a Christian writer
Ann Judson 1789-1826 Ann was a missionary to Burma
Phoebe Palmer 1807-1874 Phoebe was a famous evangelist and writer
Antoinette Brown 1825-1921 In 1853 she became the first ordained Congregationalist woman minister
Catherine Booth 1829-1890 was a preacher. She married William Booth in 1855. (At first William disagreed with the idea of women preachers but he changed his mind after hearing Catherine preach!). Catherine and William founded the Salvation Army in 1865.
Hannah Whitall Smith 1832-1911 Hannah was a writer and evangelist
Maria Woodworth-Etter 1844-1924 She was a famous evangelist
Eva Burrows 1930- She was an Australian evangelist
Aimee Semple McPherson 1890-1944 She is probably the most famous women evangelist of the early 20th century
Marilyn Hickey
Kathryn Kuhlman
Paula White
Joyce Meyer.

And thousands more...

It looked good till the last five..... then you shot yourself in the foot.

 

[ember]

Congratulations..... no one else wants to talk about this thread anymore except you & your disagreeing friends. BTW, this seems to me to be nothing more than biblical disinformation..... not worth diddly.

This thread must be very important to Satan to try to burn christians against it..... busted!

Is there something you want to talk about Stephen?

Maybe why you sound so angry?

The devil will work either side of the coin...

 

[ember]

so ? would you go as far as to say males are superior ?

only you obviously