The Roman Catholic Church vs. The Word of God

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ResidentAlien said:
That's right, they're holding the bowls full of incense which are the prayers of God's people. How does that qualify as intercession? They aren't petitioning God for anyone; the people's own prayers are ascending directly to God.
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let me put up an analogy.
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The guy can sing solo, why he needs a choir? It sounds better!

God is the King upon His throne,
yet His friends stand close beside Him.
When we pray, our voices rise —
but when the saints join in, our prayers become a choir.
We do not need them to reach the King,
but love makes us ask them to sing with us.
For the King delights to hear His friends pray as one.

You can always sing alone in your bathroom!
 
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Three Main Heresies of Oneness / “Jesus Only” / UPCI Teaching

You will run across a lot of it on this site.

  1. Denial of the Trinity – They reject the biblical view of one God in three eternal Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and teach Modalism — one Person appearing in different roles.
     Refuted by: Matthew 3:16–17 (KJV), John 1:1–2 (KJV), John 14:16 (KJV)
  2. Baptismal Regeneration – They claim salvation and forgiveness come only through baptism “in Jesus’ name,” rather than through faith in Christ’s finished work.
     Refuted by: Acts 10:43–48 (KJV), Romans 10:9–10 (KJV), Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV)
  3. Tongues as Proof of Salvation – They insist speaking in tongues is the necessary sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
     Refuted by: Romans 8:9 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:30 (KJV)

Salvation is by grace through faith, not by water or works — and the true God is eternally Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


Grace and peace.
 
LightBearer316 said:
Three Main Heresies of Oneness / “Jesus Only” / UPCI Teaching

You will run across a lot of it on this site.

  1. Denial of the Trinity – They reject the biblical view of one God in three eternal Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and teach Modalism — one Person appearing in different roles.
     Refuted by: Matthew 3:16–17 (KJV), John 1:1–2 (KJV), John 14:16 (KJV)
  2. Baptismal Regeneration – They claim salvation and forgiveness come only through baptism “in Jesus’ name,” rather than through faith in Christ’s finished work.
     Refuted by: Acts 10:43–48 (KJV), Romans 10:9–10 (KJV), Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV)
  3. Tongues as Proof of Salvation – They insist speaking in tongues is the necessary sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
     Refuted by: Romans 8:9 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:30 (KJV)

Salvation is by grace through faith, not by water or works — and the true God is eternally Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


Grace and peace.
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A person doesn't 'go to hell because they had the wrong theology'.
Innocent ignorance or misunderstanding is not sinful.
 
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beechan said:
A person doesn't 'go to hell because they had the wrong theology'.
Innocent ignorance or misunderstanding is not sinful.
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The issue isn’t about innocent misunderstanding — it’s about deception that leads people away from the true Gospel.

If someone is drawn into a system that denies the true Christ or preaches another way of salvation, i.e. works based or whatever else that’s not saving faith — it’s misplaced faith. Paul warned plainly:

“If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9 KJV)

You’re taking someone else’s eternity far too lightly when you treat these things as mere differences of opinion. This isn’t about winning arguments — it’s about truth that determines where a soul spends eternity.

Sincerity can’t save anyone; only truth in Christ can.

Grace and peace.
 
beechan said:
A person doesn't 'go to hell because they had the wrong theology'.
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“A person doesn’t go to hell because they had the wrong theology.”

But that depends on what kind of “wrong theology” we’re talking about. Buddhism, Islam, or Oneness theology that denies the true nature of Christ — those aren’t minor errors, they’re false gospels.

Jesus said plainly, “If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24 KJV)

So yes — believing the wrong thing about who Christ truly is has eternal consequences. This isn’t about pride or argument; it’s about truth that determines salvation.

Grace and peace.
 
beechan said:
A person doesn't 'go to hell because they had the wrong theology'.
Innocent ignorance or misunderstanding is not sinful.
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That kind of lax, “no worries, it’s all good” attitude toward doctrine is dangerous.

This isn’t about being harsh — it’s about realizing that eternity is at stake. When people treat the truth of the Gospel like it’s just one opinion among many, they minimize the very message that saves.

Christ wasn’t casual about truth, and neither should we be.
Grace and Peace
 
beechan said:
A person doesn't 'go to hell because they had the wrong theology'.
Innocent ignorance or misunderstanding is not sinful.
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You kind of remind me of those radar operators at Pearl Harbor — they saw the signal coming in but didn’t think it was anything to worry about.
Except this wasn’t a false alarm — it was four Japanese carriers’ worth of aircraft: Mitsubishi A6M “Zero” fighters, Aichi D3A “Val” dive bombers, and Nakajima B5N “Kate” torpedo bombers — all inbound while people assumed everything was fine. And that complacency turned Pearl Harbor into a slaughterhouse.

That same attitude toward spiritual danger — ignoring clear warnings — is how deception slips in and overwhelms truth.

Grace and Peace
 
LightBearer316 said:
The issue isn’t about innocent misunderstanding — it’s about deception that leads people away from the true Gospel.
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I was talking about someone with wrong theology.
You was talking on someone who leads people away from the true Gospel on purpose.

They are two different scenarios. The latter ine is sin, of course.
 
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LightBearer316 said:
You kind of remind me of those radar operators at Pearl Harbor — they saw the signal coming in but didn’t think it was anything to worry about.
Except this wasn’t a false alarm — it was four Japanese carriers’ worth of aircraft: Mitsubishi A6M “Zero” fighters, Aichi D3A “Val” dive bombers, and Nakajima B5N “Kate” torpedo bombers — all inbound while people assumed everything was fine. And that complacency turned Pearl Harbor into a slaughterhouse.

That same attitude toward spiritual danger — ignoring clear warnings — is how deception slips in and overwhelms truth.

Grace and Peace
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As far as I know the two radar operators did report the signals. It was their superior officer who ignored the report. The radar operators were not charged with negligence of duty.

We are just laymen (the radar operators), so leave the judgement to people on top: lieutenant, captain, colonel, or four stars generals.

Over-reaction toward spiritual danger would bring us back to the Inquisition Era.

Your church is the boat. If Jesus were with you on the same boat, what worries you?
“Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

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Is it Jesus not in your boat?

Like the Flying Spaghetti Monster god and church, it lasts just briefly.
 
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beechan said:
As far as I know the two radar operators did report the signals. It was their superior officer who ignored the report. The radar operators were not charged with negligence of duty.

We are just laymen (the radar operators), so leave the judgement to people on top: lieutenant, captain, colonel, or four stars generals.

Over-reaction toward spiritual danger would bring us back to the Inquisition Era.

Your church is the boat. If Jesus were with you on the same boat, what worries you?
“Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

Is it Jesus not in your boat?

Like the Flying Spaghetti Monster god and church, it lasts just briefly.
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That response is mixing metaphors and trying to deflect with humor and false equivalence.
The radar operators still saw what was coming — and that’s the point.

When deception is visible, silence or “leaving it to those in charge” isn’t faith — it’s neglect. Scripture never calls us to blind passivity. It calls us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 1:3 KJV).

The Inquisition was about enforcing man’s authority; contending for truth is about defending God’s. There’s a world of difference.

If Christ is truly in the boat, then He expects His people to sound the alarm, not sleep through the storm.

Grace and peace.
 
LightBearer316 said:
If Christ is truly in the boat, then He expects His people to sound the alarm, not sleep through the storm.

Grace and peace.
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In the parable of jesus calming the storm, Jesus was actually sleeping on the boat and rebuked the disciples to have wakened him up.
 
beechan said:
In the parable of jesus calming the storm, Jesus was actually sleeping on the boat and rebuked the disciples to have wakened him up.
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Exactly — and that’s the point.

Jesus could sleep because His faith was perfect. But when the storm rises, the disciples are called to cry out to Him and recognize the danger, not ignore it.

The lesson isn’t to stay asleep — it’s to stay alert and trust Christ enough to act when deception and danger appear.

Grace and Peace
 
beechan said:
Could it also mean that I can goto sleep too if my faith were perfect?
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You could — if your faith were perfect, your discernment would be too.

But until any of us reach that level, Scripture still calls us to “watch and be sober” (1 Thessalonians 5:6 KJV).

Faith isn’t about sleeping through the storm; it’s about trusting Christ enough to stay awake and warn others when danger’s approaching.

Grace and peace.
 
LightBearer316 said:
But until any of us reach that level, Scripture still calls us to “watch and be sober” (1 Thessalonians 5:6 KJV).
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You cut out this verse out of context to fit your theology, like most Protestants do.


The verse 1 Thessalonians 5:6:
“Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober,”
is not directed against heresy.


Paul is talking about spiritual vigilance in view of the Day of the Lord’s coming, not doctrinal error. The “sleep” here means spiritual laziness or moral indifference, not falling into false teaching.
 
beechan said:
You cut out this verse out of context to fit your theology, like most Protestants do.


The verse 1 Thessalonians 5:6:
“Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober,”
is not directed against heresy.


Paul is talking about spiritual vigilance in view of the Day of the Lord’s coming, not doctrinal error. The “sleep” here means spiritual laziness or moral indifference, not falling into false teaching.
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Actually, that interpretation reinforces my point rather than refutes it.

Paul’s warning against spiritual sleep includes both moral and doctrinal indifference — the failure to stay alert to deception is part of spiritual laziness. Throughout Scripture, watchfulness always involves guarding against falsehood (see Matthew 24:4, 11 KJV; Acts 20:28–31 KJV).

So yes, 1 Thessalonians 5:6 KJV is about readiness for the Lord’s coming, but readiness includes vigilance against error that dulls faith. The two are inseparable.

Grace and peace.
 
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The faith once delivered to the saints isn’t something to handle casually. When we treat doctrine like it’s just a matter of opinion, we end up trivializing the very truth Christ died to reveal. Spiritual maturity shows in how seriously we take God’s Word — not in how lightly we brush it aside.

It does sound like you are taking a very casual, almost dismissive approach towards serious biblical issues, which can often reveal a lack of maturity or depth in handling Scripture.

A “spiritual easy rider” mindset tends to:
  • Prioritize comfort over conviction,
  • Treat theological discussion like opinion-sharing rather than truth-seeking, and
  • Use clever replies or humor to deflect correction instead of weighing Scripture carefully.
That doesn’t necessarily mean you are malicious, but it more often reflects shallow discipleship or a tendency to view faith emotionally rather than doctrinally.

Grace and Peace
 
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