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Hi, the Sabbath under the New covenant only come when we "believe " the Gospel. See Hebrews 4.
Is not like the Old covenant Sabbath of the 7th day where no one can enter into it as God declared in Hebrews 4:5

Understanding two covenants with it's law, commands, regulations etc is important.
Was Abraham under the old covenant?
 

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Can you reconcile these statements with these verses:
[Rev 22:2, 14 KJV] 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. ... 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You need to stop inserting "The 10 Commandments" whenever you see the word "commandments". That causes a lot of bad doctrine and religion.
 

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Scripture says something different as does Jesus who kept the Sabbath and as a Christian, means to be a follower of Christ. Jesus kept the Sabbath in the NT Luke 4:16 and all of the commandments John 15:10 if we abide in Him we will aslo follow in His footsteps.

His faithful followers did that as well, according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Because

Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath keeping

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

To enter God's rest one also ceases from their works, as God did, on the seventh day

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;


The wages of sin is death, God is not talking about the first death on earth. He had done everything possible to and for man and when we reject His commandments, we are told we are rejecting God Rom 8:7-8 Eze 22:26

Two resurrections - one for the saints, the other for the lost. Our decisions we make lead us on the path we end up. Once Jesus comes all decision have been made Rev 22:11

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Below is the instruction by the apostles in how to follow Jesus.

Acts 15:29
That you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from acts of
sexual immorality; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.

Are you saying that we will not do well?

Will you deny the instruction of the Council of Jerusalem?

I am asking you a simple question?
 
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Below is the instruction by the apostles in how to follow Jesus.

Acts 15:29
That you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from acts of
sexual immorality; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.

Are you saying that we will not do well?

Will you deny the instruction of the Council of Jerusalem?

I am asking you a simple question?
That was to instruct the gentile proselytes of the gate on how to behave themselves so they wouldn't get kicked out of the synagogues. It was nothing new because they already knew those rules. Those rules have nothing to do with Christians apart from that context. You can drink all of the blood you want and eat strangled animals if you have the faith to do so because nothing a person takes into their body can defile them
 

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That Holy Spirit guy isn't so bad either.
He's the seal of the deal! :cool:

"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise..."
 

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No he wasn't. Neither was there a 4th commandment
But, there was a Sabbath which was blessed by God at the creation:

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Do you think Abraham kept the Sabbath even though it isn’t specifically mentioned? Why would he create another day unless it served a purpose?
 

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You need to stop inserting "The 10 Commandments" whenever you see the word "commandments". That causes a lot of bad doctrine and religion.
Ok, which other commandments stand out in the Bible and were written by God in stone?
 
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But, there was a Sabbath which was blessed by God at the creation:

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Do you think Abraham kept the Sabbath even though it isn’t specifically mentioned? Why would he create another day unless it served a purpose?
No I don't think Abraham "kept the sabbath". The 7th day of the week wasn't important enough to even be mentioned until Moses. The 7th day of creation is not the weekly sabbath
 

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Ok, which other commandments stand out in the Bible and were written by God in stone?
You make a good point: why are some so impressed with stone when the same God populated the heavens and made life itself.

Another question: what commandments were NOT added because the Israelites sinned?

You'll find many examples before Sinai and after the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 

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No

No I don't think Abraham "kept the sabbath". The 7th day of the week wasn't important enough to even be mentioned until Moses. The 7th day of creation is not the weekly sabbath
Do you have any scripture backing these statements?



The Bible says that the Sabbath have always been important to God:
[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
 
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Where did you see that in the Bible?
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40
 

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That was to instruct the gentile proselytes of the gate on how to behave themselves so they wouldn't get kicked out of the synagogues. It was nothing new because they already knew those rules. Those rules have nothing to do with Christians apart from that context. You can drink all of the blood you want and eat strangled animals if you have the faith to do so because nothing a person takes into their body can defile them
I don't think your correct in your summary, ChristRoseFromTheDead.

Synagogues do not proclaim the Christ rather synagogues proclaim the law of Moses.

Not the kind of place that any Gentile should enter.

Here is how Chat GPT explained Acts 15.

Below is the question I asked Chat GPT.

The instruction by the apostles and elders to the Gentile churches in Acts 15.
If the Gentiles follow the apostle's instruction will they do well?
How do you understand Acts 15?

ChatGPT said:

Acts 15 is a pivotal chapter in the New Testament that addresses a significant issue in the early church: whether Gentile (non-Jewish) converts to Christianity were required to follow the Mosaic Law, including practices like circumcision, to be fully accepted into the community of believers.

Context:
The Problem: Some Jewish believers argued that Gentile Christians needed to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses (Acts 15:1, 5). This created tension in the early church, as Gentiles were coming to faith in large numbers.

The Council: The apostles and elders met in Jerusalem (the first "church council") to deliberate this matter (Acts 15:2-6). Key figures like Peter, Paul, Barnabas, and James (the brother of Jesus) contributed to the discussion.

Key Points:
Peter’s Argument: Peter reminded the council that God had already shown His approval of the Gentiles by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He had done for the Jews. He emphasized that salvation comes through grace, not the works of the law (Acts 15:7-11).

Paul and Barnabas’ Testimony: They shared how God had been working among the Gentiles through signs and wonders, demonstrating His acceptance of them (Acts 15:12).

James’ Conclusion: James, as the leader of the Jerusalem church, referenced Amos 9:11-12 to show that the inclusion of Gentiles was part of God’s plan. He proposed a practical solution: Gentiles should not be burdened with the full Mosaic Law but should follow a few specific instructions to maintain harmony with Jewish believers (Acts 15:13-21).

The Decision:
The council agreed to send a letter to the Gentile churches, instructing them to:

Abstain from food sacrificed to idols.
Avoid consuming blood.
Refrain from eating the meat of strangled animals.
Avoid sexual immorality.

These guidelines were meant to:

Promote unity between Jewish and Gentile believers by respecting Jewish sensitivities.
Encourage Gentiles to live in a way that reflected their new faith in Christ.

Understanding Acts 15:

Grace Over Law: Acts 15 underscores that salvation is by grace through faith, not adherence to the Mosaic Law. This was a defining moment in establishing the nature of the gospel.

Unity and Sensitivity: The instructions for Gentiles were not about earning salvation but about maintaining fellowship between diverse groups in the church. The council sought to remove barriers to unity while honoring cultural and spiritual convictions.

Practical Wisdom: The decision reflects a balance between doctrinal clarity (salvation by grace) and practical wisdom (guidelines for harmonious living).

Doing Well: The phrase "If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well" (Acts 15:29) suggests that these instructions were not exhaustive rules but a way for Gentiles to show respect for their Jewish brothers and sisters and live out their faith in a God-honoring way.

In summary, Acts 15 highlights the inclusive nature of the gospel and the importance of unity in the body of Christ, demonstrating that the church can address cultural and doctrinal challenges through prayerful discussion and reliance on the Holy Spirit.