The Samarians' Water vs Jesus' Water

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Webers.Home

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John 3:5 . . I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

There lacks a consensus among the experts as to the meaning of the water
about which Jesus spoke. But I think it's pretty simple because he spoke of it
again in the very next chapter to a no-account woman that he met on the
road to Samaria.

John 4:14 . .Whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the
water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.

In other words; the water that Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 isn't for baptism;
it's for drinking.
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Respectfully, I think it's a stretch to conclude that a word used in a specific context during a private conversation in Jerusalem is explained in an otherwise unrelated event in a foreign village, where Scripture doesn't say that is the explanation. While I wouldn't say your conclusion is "wrong", I would say that the reasoning by which you arrived at it is fallacious.
 

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John 3:6 . .That which is born of the flesh is flesh

The Greek word for "flesh" in John 3:3-8 is sarx (sarx) which basically refers
to the meaty parts of the body rather than its liquids.

Sarx incudes microscopic meaty parts too, for example:

Rom 1:3 . . His son Jesus Christ our Lord; which was made of the seed of
David according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah)
which in males typically refers to their reproductive stuff and/or their genetic
material; especially when the seed is according to the flesh-- according to
the sarx -- viz: biological seed rather than spiritual seed.

NOTE: There is a divine seed (1John 3:9) which is transferred by the Spirit
via John 3:6.

Anyway, in a nutshell: It would not profit people to start all over again in
their mother's womb because the only kind of life that women are equipped
to produce is human life; whereas among the varieties of life that the Spirit
is equipped to produce is eternal life; in other words: that which is divine
rather than human. In point of fact, according to John 5:24, people lacking
eternal life are quite dead on the hoof, and in grave danger of the sum of all
fears.

BTW: Rom 1:3, along with Gen 3:15, is bad news for people who resolutely
refuse to accept that Jesus Christ is biologically related to Adam.
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John 3:5 . . I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


There lacks a consensus among the experts as to the meaning of the water
about which Jesus spoke. But I think it's pretty simple because he spoke of it
again in the very next chapter to a no-account woman that he met on the
road to Samaria.


John 4:14 . .Whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the
water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.


In other words; the water that Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 isn't for baptism;
it's for drinking.
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I think it is one of those without parables Christ spoke not hiding the unseen spiritual understanding from those who are not interested in studying to search out the meaning.

Water like blood, or water and blood are used as metaphor in many parables. like that of John 4 the woman (to represent the bride of Christ) by the well to represent the pouring out from heaven (Inspiration) His unseen Spirit.

Not inspired earthly of the devil the one who turns things upside down to take away the understanding that comes from above. By that of kind of inspiration falling down publishes the authority of the Lord

In that way it would seem to help us distinguish the doctrines of God falling from form life on earth . Not earthly inspired from the devil. Water it is used in many different kinds of applications. Like for instance. . . the commandment... husbands wash your wives with the water of the word as the doctrines of God. Just as he washes his loved ones call His bride the church. Living water the gospel the source of a living faith

Again setting the standard for hearing the doctrines of men One of the purposes of living water, living will .

Deuteronomy 32:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Water it would seem is used to represent the purifying work of the Spirit of Christ as a labor of love.. . . also called work of His faithfulness

Acts 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV)And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.(the water of the word or hearing of God ) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Interesting parable in the Old tesetemmt which also helps discover other mysteries hid in parable ... like the idea of drinking the blood used to represent the spirit of men .. Literal blood cannot be drank( cannibalism) Catholics create a illusion (you get that which is not there). and the JW's attribute blood as if it was the life of the spirit rather than the other way around.

The life of the flesh (spirit ) is in the blood but corrupted flesh and blood cannot produce spirit life as the essence of Spirit life. It comes from the father not seen .He pours it out on us as if it was H20

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life has no redeeming value. We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the flesh the temporal .

There in the parable David in prison God defeating the enemy without David .It would seem God had given David a literal thirst for water as if giving David famine for hearing of the Spirit of God drawing David to give him rest... a prison break . Who I would think like John the Baptist was having doubts and needed some kind of confirmation the lord had not deserted him..


2 Samuel 23:14 And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.

Bethlehem = house of bread

2 Samuel 23:15 And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!

A thirst for hearing the gospel by the gate. gate represented Christ by which we enter fellowship.

2 Samuel 23:16 And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.

David after hearing the gospel would not dare take away the honor of the Lord and refused to drink the water that represents the unseen Spirit of Christ. like the work of Christ pouring out his blood to represent the unseen work of the Spirit .it as a law must be poured out into the dust so that it can return to the corrupted rudiments of this world

2 Samuel 23: 17 And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood (spirit) of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

There he defines the drinking of blood as one pouring out the work of spirit in jeopardy for another I think it is a beautiful picture of the work of the gospel .The gospel thread woven throughout the bible it as it is written kept the Old tesetemmt saint moving forward

Is it not the Spirit of Christ that the father poured Spirit life in jeapory of His own Holy Spirit? Then in respect to whos spirit .
 

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I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born
of water and the Spirit.

Assuming that the water Jesus spoke of in that passage is the living water
that he spoke about to the woman in John 4:10-14, then what can be known
about it?

Well; for sure we know that it is intimately related to eternal life.

John 4:14 . .Whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the
water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.

The Old Testament says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Well, in this
scenario, the life of eternal life is in the living water that Jesus spoke of.

This is all a mite confusing but it seems to me that the living water itself isn't
eternal life, rather, the living water sustains eternal life just as normal water
sustains human life.

In other words: eternal life need not carry a canteen in order to keep itself
hydrated because eternal life is conjoined to a source of water. In a nutshell;
eternal life and the living water are joined at the hip, so to speak; i.e.
they're a unity.
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Assuming that the water Jesus spoke of in that passage is the living water
that he spoke about to the woman in John 4:10-14, then what can be known
about it?


Well; for sure we know that it is intimately related to eternal life.

John 4:14 . .Whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the
water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.


The Old Testament says that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Well, in this
scenario, the life of eternal life is in the living water that Jesus spoke of.


This is all a mite confusing but it seems to me that the living water itself isn't
eternal life, rather, the living water sustains eternal life just as normal water
sustains human life.


In other words: eternal life need not carry a canteen in order to keep itself
hydrated because eternal life is conjoined to a source of water. In a nutshell;
eternal life and the living water are joined at the hip, so to speak; i.e.
they're a unity.
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I would offer... Both living blood. . . and living water are metaphors that represent the unseen work of pouring out the Holy Spirit .They are interchangeable Same metaphor used differently in parables.

For example. In the parable in John 4 there is Jesus, a Jew from Judah not from the tribe of Levi who was forbidden by law to commune gentile women. She it would seem is being drawn to a familiar well where she heard that God spoke to a gentile woman named Rebecca. Jesus the high priest after the new order preaches the gospel.... the woman becomes saved and with her new tongue preaches the gospel, prophesying to the men from her gentile town , confirming the sign of Joel the new manner of God's word as prophecy . . . pouring His Holy Spirit through woman and men no difference from all the nations of the world . . . telling the wonders of her true husband Christ who she had met by the well .They who heard and believed and were moved to meet Jesus

Acts 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

A picture from both parables of Christ drawing his bride the church.

Rebecca, meaning "to bind"

I would call it the "Parable of Rebecca". . . preached by Deborah

Deborah, meaning "Mrs. Bee"

LOL Made those guys run must of smelled that honey The kind of food he was teaching his disciples of It would interesting to hear the gathering of the gentile believers It would seem he sent them both out saying the fields are white onto harvest. . . get to work, stop murmuring .

Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. .John 4:30-32
 

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Jer 17:13 . . O Lord . . those who turn away from You will be written in the
dust because they have forsaken The Lord, the spring of living water.

The Hebrew word for "Lord" in that verse is Yehovah (a.k.a. Jehovah). It is
definitely one of the Bible's eureka revelations because the verse shows that
in order for someone to have the living water within them that Jesus spoke
of in John 4:10-14, it is necessary to have Jehovah within them.

Jehovah is there in the person of the Spirit.

1Cor 6:19 . . Do you not know that your body is a temple of the holy Spirit
within you, whom you have from God,

Christ too is there in the person of the Spirit.

2Cor 13:5 . . Examine yourselves to see whether you are living in faith.
Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you? --unless, of
course, you fail the test.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

In other words: Christ and Jehovah are housed within the bodies of Jesus'
followers via the Spirit.

John 7:37-39 . . Jesus stood and cried out, saying: If any man is thirsty,
let him come to me and drink. He who believes in me, as the Scripture said:
From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water. But this he spoke
of the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive; for the Spirit
was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

This is one of the supernatural elements of Christianity that has to be taken
on faith because the presence of the three aspects of The Deity within
someone's body is not readily apparent.
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John 7:38 . . He who believes in me, as the Scripture said: From his
innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.

There is no punctuation in the Greek manuscripts. So translators insert
punctuation arbitrarily, at their own discretion, where they think it might do
the most good.

The problem is, the punctuation in the verse above is misleading. There are
no passages anywhere in the Old Testament that say "From his innermost
being shall flow rivers of living water."

However, the verse is still useful if we but relocate the arbitrary punctuation
so that the text reads like this;

"He who believes in me as the Scripture said; from his innermost being shall
flow rivers of living water."

In other words: when people believe in Jesus in accord with what the
Scripture says about him, they get the water. For example:

Gen 3:15 . . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and
between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike
his heel.

Gen 12:1-3 . . The Lord said to Abram . . . in you all the families of the
earth shall be blessed.

Isa 52:13-15 . . See, my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted
up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him--
his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form
marred beyond human likeness-- so shall he sprinkle many nations.

Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Ps 16:9-10 . . My heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will
rest secure, because you will not abandon me to sheol, nor will you let your
Holy One see decay.

There's more. The ones above are only a starter list.

Luke 24:25-27 . . And He said to them: O foolish men and slow of heart to
believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the
Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory? And beginning with
Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning
Himself in all the Scriptures.
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John 3:5 . . I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


There lacks a consensus among the experts as to the meaning of the water
about which Jesus spoke. But I think it's pretty simple because he spoke of it
again in the very next chapter to a no-account woman that he met on the
road to Samaria.


John 4:14 . .Whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the
water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal
life.


In other words; the water that Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 isn't for baptism;
it's for drinking.
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The woman was spiritual thirst, to make her not thirst, she have 7 mans, she drink wrong water that Will make her more thirst.

Jesus over another water, He talk in spiritual sense.

If she seriously drink or invite Jesus in her hearth, she Will not thirst anymore.

I believe most people know that free sex is not good and danger. But people is so thirsty to the point that they can't control themselve but to drink or do free sex.

Jesus offer solution, He offer the water for you to drink and make you not thirsty anymore.

Some may say, I am Christian but I do free sex.

That because we seriously accept Him and invite Him to our heart.
 

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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.

John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit
is upon him without measure or limit

John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.

John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus instructed the Samarian woman that she could have the living water
merely by asking him for it. I've done that.

Jesus instructed his countrymen that whoever believes in him would be
given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of their being if all they did
was approach him for it. I've done that too.

So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.

The steps I took to successfully obtain the living water and the Spirit, were
essential components of my baptism into Jesus' body.

1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.

NOTE: It's risky to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for obtaining
the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and speak up for them as
Jesus instructed.

John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will
not reject anyone who comes to me

Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
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