The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.

[ATG]

WE BOTH SEE THE DAYS ARE SHORTEBED.
It is in Rev 14, a gathering RIGHT BEFORE THE WRATH.

Correct. For His elect's sake on earth, the Lord will shorten the days of wicked man's tribulation and wrath upon them.

The Lord will harvest all His righteous saints from the earth, both the living and dead in Christ, immediately before His own tribulation and wrath upon those wicked.

Rev 14:15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Rev 14:18
And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[markss]

Bingo.
Postrib wife beater doctrine.
The theory is we need "cleansing", and the AC will beat us into worthiness.

Posribbers can not read the pretrib verses
They are forbidden by some strange force.

The rejection of God's various dispensations causes those who disbelieve to "rework" a number of passages to make them "fit".

The antidote is to insist on a literal understanding of the Scriptures, and a belief that God keeps His promises.

Much love!

 

[ATG]

You generalize everything out of context.

STOP the generalized out of context NONRESPONSE.

STOP? Really? I mean, anyone can accuse anyone of anything. But a personal 'command' to STOP?

It's the irrational effort of a failed argument. Just give details of overgeneralizing the Scriptures quoted, and I'll be glad to look at it.

Otherwise, I'll STOP responding to you, when you STOP posting to me.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
"Already corrected 2 times by Scripture."
MAT 25
10;And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

And so, we see that the bride enters into the marriage with the Lord at His second coming. The door is shut to them not prepared.

Nothing about them all then going back to heaven with the Lord to have their marriage supper.

mat 26
2;But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

This time you've corrected your error, that the Lord only drinks the new wine back in heaven. He drinks it new in the Father's kingdom, which is in God's kingdom coming to earth with Him, not back in heaven:

Luk 22:18
For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Luk 11:2
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

This is your first half-correction of your errors. An unexpected, but reasonable start. Good job.

The marriage, supper, and drink will be in the kingdom of God with the Lord in the air, when He comes again to Personally establish God's kingdom on earth, as it is in heaven.

It fulfills the oldest hope of the people of kingdom, and the first prophecy of the Lord's coming with His kingdom rule on earth:

Psa 82:8
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Psa 96:13
Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Psa 67:40
Let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

NT Prophecy simply shows that His coming to inherit and govern the earth, will be with His first resurrected saints, to rule with Him over the cities and nations of the earth. For a thousand years.

Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:

Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

All prophecy of Scripture must not only be taken exactly at the Lord's words, but also be taken altogether, in order to see the exact whole fulfillment thereof.

Those who change, add, or take away from the words of prophecy, and/or isolate Scriptures of prophecy from each other, are teaching false prophecy of their own making and lying imagination:

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[ATG]

Wow
Way way way off.
You are totally in the dark.

Just a little advice. Exaggerated exclamations of a being wrong, always signal a nothing-burger coming. And many times a false accusation, as in this case.

A simple, False. No. Wrong. Suffices to show a proof of error.

Adult debate is a disciplined exercise in facts, points, and counterpoints. Not a childish wide mouth ogling of eyes and flailing of arms, that never lead to the facts at hand.

ATG Said:
Jesus is the first resurrection of a man from the dead.

Not the first resurrection of His church from the dead.
You just tried to prove Jesus is not the firstfruits of the resurrection.

You just tried to say that Jesus is not the firstfruits of the resurrection, by being the first resurrected man from the dead.

Jas 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Rev 20:5
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Jesus is the firstfruits of God resurrecting a man from the dead. Jesus' firstfruits on earth are the firstfruits of the first recurrection of His church from the dead.

 

[Omegatime]

No. The Lord's tribulation and wrath upon the earth, after He harvests His righteous people, only puts an end to open rebellion against Him. His righteous Millennium will begin with naturally good and obedient sheep, but there will still be transgressors among their offspring during the thousand years. Even as there was after Noah, among the children Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and among offspring of the saints in Christ Jesus today.

Everyone on earth must choose to serve the Lord or sin, for themselves.

Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Sinning on earth will not end, until the destruction of this world the last great rebellion of nations against God. Which will b immediately following the end of the Lord's thousand years reign:

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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Daniel 9:24 says it does include an end to sin

 

[ATG]

Mat 26 has the believers in heaven at the marriage feast.

If you are once again saying the kingdom of heaven and God come with the Lord to earth, is in heaven, then corrected it enough.

Mat 25 has the bride going into the wedding chamber and the door shut.
( you centered on who was shut out, instead of what happened....trying so hard to cast down what is there)

I center on what Scripture says: Entering the door to meet the Lord at His coming against to earth, who is in the air with the midnight cry and call to His marriage.

You add the Lord goes back to heaven for the marriage, rather than remains on earth to then destroy His enemies, and rule with His resurrected bride on earth.

The Lord comes down out of heaven first to earth in the flesh, to die for sins. The Lord comes again to earth, to receive His bride unto Himself, and to rule with them over the earth.

The Lord does not return to heaven from earth a second time, and then return again to earth a 3rd time.

There is no second return to heaven from earth, nor a 3rd coming to earth out of heaven.

Rev 19 has the Church in heaven during the trib and it PLAINLY says "...AND THE BRIDE IS NOW THE WIFE...IN HEAVEN"

Bride entering kingdom of God to meet Jesus in the air is now the wife...not in heaven.

Corrected enough times.

Apparently you are running out of things to repeat to yourself. Unless you have something new, I'll be moving on.

 

[ATG]

There is no rapture of the church at Rev 19.

False.

There is no first resurrection and rapture of the church spoken of in Rev 19, where the marriage and coming of the Lord again to earth is spoken.

And it's false to say there is no second coming of the Lord in Rev 20.

His second coming is not spoken of in Rev 20, where the first resurrection and reigning of the church is spoken.

And it's also false to say there is no resurrection of Christ from the dead in Is 53.

His resurrection is not spoken of in Is 53, where Messiah's suffering unto death for our sin is spoken.

Isolating Scripture from Scripture, to take prophecy of Scripture out of context of all Scripture, is false teaching and prophecy against Scripture of truth:

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[ATG]

You are saying the rapture happens AFTER 1 Thessalonians 4's gathering of the church.

Lie #2 changing teaching of others.

The resurrection a rapture of the church happens with 1 Thess 4' gathering of the church from the earth, to meet the Lord in the air.

The saints do not come out of heaven with the Lord, and then rise from their earthen graves to meet Him at His coming out of heaven.

Rev 14's GATHERING BY JESUS, in verse 14, is Before the wrath.

Correct. The harvest of His church from the earth, while He is in the air with clouds, is before His wrath upon the wicked remaining on the earth.

Remember , your deal has angels gathering APART FROM JESUS in mat 24.
( impossible for that to be the rapture)

Lie #3 changing teaching of others.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The angels sent by Jesus in the air, to gather the resurrected saints from the 4 winds to meet Him where He is when He comes again, is not angels gathering the church together apart from Jesus being there with clouds.

Rev 14:15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Rev 14;14, I thes 4, and mat 25, have JESUS GATHERING.

Half truth #2.

The Lord reaps His people to Himself in the air, by sending His angels to gather them together to meet Him there.

 

[ATG]

The idea of a rapture, a mass disappearing of people, is a grand satanic deception. One of the major deceptions of the end times, leading to the false prophet. Using special technology the evil doers plan to kill millions at once and will want the remaining public to believe the 'rapture' has happened.

Very interesting indeed. Never heard it.

It's true that the rapture is not a 'great disappearance' of Christians from the earth, and yet is a widely taught and popularized lie.

However, there are problems with your theory of the great AC using it for his own purposes:

1. The rapture does lead to the open display of the AC as God, but not to the rise of the AC.
2. It's that AC beast that is already persecuting the saints, before the Lord comes to resurrect them to Himself in the air.
3. His miracle of calling fire down from heaven to destroy His enemies, is in the sight of men. Not a disappearance from their sight.
4. And of course, since the Lord's coming and rapture of His church is in fact visible to all eyes on earth, then they can hardly be decieved about the saints disappearing from their sight.

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

5. And finally, the last great AC beast will gather his national leaders to Armageddon, to fight the Lamb and His saints in the air. They will be in seen in the air, and coming with clouds to battle.

Neither the rapture of His saints, nor their coming to fight with the beast and nations on earth, is invisible, but is visibly seen by all on earth. Therefore, no great disappearance rapture, nor the so-called secret 2nd coming of the Lord to earth, can be believed at that time.

Both the secret 2nd coming and rapture are simply false prophecies by decieved Bible readers, that has gained widescreen popularity on the earth. While in fact, writing a book with the visible facts of prophecy is much more awesome. But then, the Bible with Revelation is already written...

The real question is why should anyone want to believe the false prophecy of a hidden 2nd coming and rapture of the church.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 does not say we are taken to heaven, it says we meet the Lord in the clouds, in the air. In Revelation 19:14 the phrase 'which were' is an added in phrase denoted by italics in many Bibles.

Correct. Another question is why believe the lie, that the Lord and His resurrected saints go back to heaven, rather than remaining on earth to rule all nations for a thousand years.

"The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses....." Is how it should read.

Well done. 'Which were' certainly is added by translation, and not necessary, unless heaven of the heavens is confirmed in the verse. Which it is not.

This is where context is important: The heaven is opened, and the Lord is seen coming, which we know from Rev 1 is with clouds. Therefore, the sky is better when speaking of following armies and events. We can add Rev 4 where John is certainly still on earth at Patmos, when he sees heaven's door opened. Therefore, the events in Rev 4 are from earth, followed by things seen in heaven, and the events in Rev 19 are from heaven, followed by things seen in the sky.

Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

'Which were' in heaven is not false, since they followed Him from heaven, but grammatically and contextually less specific.

Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:14
And the armies in the sky followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Good observation, thanks.

How do they get up in the sky? In the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.

Well, here you have a twofold problem. First, the context of the twinkling of the eye, is the resurrection and changing of the mortal bodies to immortality on earth:

1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Their ascension into the air to be gathered by angels and meet with the Lord, is not part of the twinkling event. If it were, then there certainly would be a great disappearance event: In one moment, they are on earth, and the next moment they disappear into the air...

Even as the resurrected Lord ascended from the earth in to heaven with a cloud, seen by His disciples, so shall His resurrected saints ascend from the earth into the sky, and seen by all.

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

 

[Blade]

Why.. why can't we just say.. you believe He is coming for you.. praise GOD glory to Jesus. You are watching waiting. I just disagree with Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib or Post-Trim.

"We have a false doctrine that John Nelson Darby invented and spread during 1830-1833 " this is not true. Fact.. I give just two. You can find something written in 1600's about Jesus coming before the great tribulation for His Church. Or you can read the original scrolls of a Hymn writer in 300-400bc about Jesus coming before the great tribulation for the Church.

Some mock make fun of...those watching for Him now. " skeptics or "scoffers" in the last days mocking the promise of Jesus Christ's return, noting that life seems to continue as it always has." 2nd Peter. Not me they mock..

There is not one person here Christ (Sweet holy Spirit) told you pre was wrong or mid was wrong or post is wrong. He has never told anyone this nor will He. He said He's coming back for us is that alone not enough? I was not promised tomorrow.. its no where written so.. why have hope Hes coming Easter or Sept or Nov? I might not be alive tomorrow so.. hmm to me the wise smart thing to do is watch be ready for Him now. He has never once gone against my free will so I don't see Him taking me today if He came.. if I was not watching did not believe. Ask Him.. ask Him if you do not believe He can come today and He did.. would you go?

You believe your passional view and your talk shows not love not Him. If He told you I am coming back for you soon. Then be ready.. now

 

[ATG]

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Daniel 9:24 says it does include an end to sin

Ok, I see now what you were referring to. However, you're out of context:

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

When the Lord comes again, He will end rebellion and sin on earth at that time, but certainly not forever. Since, as I showed you already, His reign will begin with only the natural good sheep entering into His heavenly kingdom on earth, but after the end, there will be one last great rebellion of nations:

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Only at that time will all sin end on this earth, since the earth itself will be consumed with fire along with the last of the wicked.

2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

However, even at that time sinning will still not end forever, because Gd will created a new heaven and earth with natural people living therein. And, so long as there are natural born men and women, created in the image of God, then there always will be choice to serve God and the Lamb, or sin and trespass.

Also ss I've shown you, on the new earth the gates of the eternal Holy City will be kept by His angels, to guard against transgressors entering therein:

Rev 21:24
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

And so, in fact, there will be the eternal new heaven and earth, with God enterally dwelling among men in the New Jerusalem, and saints forever serving God and the Lamb. But, there will also be natural people and nations, with some transgressors still committing sins and trespasses.

And, by what we see in the prophecy, the unrepentant will simply die off in their own sins outside of the city of God and the Lamb, because only within is the tree of life eaten for the healing of natural men and women:

Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The sinless 'utopia' , that some imagine will be everywhere forever, will only be within the New Jerusalem of the new heaven and earth, where God dwelleth with good and righteous men and women, that go in and out freely...

There's also people that imagine a time where there will be no more time, which in itself is self-contradictory, since there creation itself is with time passing:

Heb 1:10
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

 

[ATG]

Why.. why can't we just say.. you believe He is coming for you.. praise GOD glory to Jesus. You are watching waiting. I just disagree with Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib or Post-Trim.

Why.. why can't you just say.. you believe He is coming for you.. praise GOD glory to Jesus. You are watching waiting.

Why.. why do you then go on to say you just disagree with Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib or Post-Trib?

It's one thing for the few righteous, to come out here to debate-land, and huff about all the debating. But then to debate too?

"We have a false doctrine that John Nelson Darby invented and spread during 1830-1833 " this is not true. Fact.. I give just two. You can find something written in 1600's about Jesus coming before the great tribulation for His Church. Or you can read the original scrolls of a Hymn writer in 300-400bc about Jesus coming before the great tribulation for the Church.

Some mock make fun of...those watching for Him now. " skeptics or "scoffers" in the last days mocking the promise of Jesus Christ's return, noting that life seems to continue as it always has." 2nd Peter. Not me they mock..

There is not one person here Christ (Sweet holy Spirit) told you pre was wrong or mid was wrong or post is wrong. He has never told anyone this nor will He. He said He's coming back for us is that alone not enough? I was not promised tomorrow.. its no where written so.. why have hope Hes coming Easter or Sept or Nov? I might not be alive tomorrow so.. hmm to me the wise smart thing to do is watch be ready for Him now. He has never once gone against my free will so I don't see Him taking me today if He came.. if I was not watching did not believe. Ask Him.. ask Him if you do not believe He can come today and He did.. would you go?

You believe your passional view and your talk shows not love not Him. If He told you I am coming back for you soon. Then be ready.. now

This Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib or Post-Trib rant is too garbled to know if it is Pre-Trip or Mid-trib or Post-Trib, or none of the above.

So, settle down, take your time, and make one point at a time. In the meantime, we can still watch and wait for the Lord to come and receive His own unto Himself in the air...Or, be found transgressors and be appointed to wrath with the hypocrites of the earth.

 

[BBerean]

The secret rapture is not false doctrine!
The secret rapture will remain a secret never to be seen . So it’s true .

I like in revelation, the last Trump will sound and every eye will see him verse …

 

[JayWalker]

The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.

When the catching away of the faithful happens it won't be any secret.

The world will notice a few million people are suddenly gone.

It'll be a big news item for several days as Nancy Grace and TMZ will be launching major investigative reports

 

[JayWalker]

Didn't Christ already return?

No, He has not return and has not set up His 1000 Year reign on earth as of yet.

 

[JayWalker]

If we are the body of Christ on earth, why would we be left to go through the tribulation. Why would Christ pour out wrath on his body?

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Exactly

 

[Psalm1]

Lie #2 changing teaching of others.

The resurrection a rapture of the church happens with 1 Thess 4' gathering of the church from the earth, to meet the Lord in the air.

The saints do not come out of heaven with the Lord, and then rise from their earthen graves to meet Him at His coming out of heaven.



Correct. The harvest of His church from the earth, while He is in the air with clouds, is before His wrath upon the wicked remaining on the earth.


Lie #3 changing teaching of others.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The angels sent by Jesus in the air, to gather the resurrected saints from the 4 winds to meet Him where He is when He comes again, is not angels gathering the church together apart from Jesus being there with clouds.

Rev 14:15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.


Half truth #2.

The Lord reaps His people to Himself in the air, by sending His angels to gather them together to meet Him there.

QUOTE
"Lie #2 changing teaching of others.
The resurrection a rapture of the church happens with 1 Thess 4' gathering of the church from the earth, to meet the Lord in the air.
The saints do not come out of heaven with the Lord, and then rise from their earthen graves to meet Him at His coming out of heaven"

You lied.
The born again saints are NOW IN HEAVEN, that have died and are buried .
They unite with their resurrected bodies.
So you did what?.... lied?

See how easy that "lied" word gets slung around?
SMH.

 

[Psalm1]

The secret rapture is not false doctrine!
The secret rapture will remain a secret never to be seen . So it’s true .

I like in revelation, the last Trump will sound and every eye will see him verse …

The ONLY people I see obsessed with the "secret rapture" is the postribbers who seemed to actually invent the term.
Nobody else uses it.

But you guys are entertaining in your desperation.

 

[Psalm1]

False.

There is no first resurrection and rapture of the church spoken of in Rev 19, where the marriage and coming of the Lord again to earth is spoken.

And it's false to say there is no second coming of the Lord in Rev 20.

His second coming is not spoken of in Rev 20, where the first resurrection and reigning of the church is spoken.

And it's also false to say there is no resurrection of Christ from the dead in Is 53.

His resurrection is not spoken of in Is 53, where Messiah's suffering unto death for our sin is spoken.

Isolating Scripture from Scripture, to take prophecy of Scripture out of context of all Scripture, is false teaching and prophecy against Scripture of truth:

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Whatever you are getting at, you not only failed to show any resurrection at the second coming, but seem to think the resurrection is happening at Rev 20, which is WAY AFTER THE SECOND COMING.

Thank you for exposing that.