The significance of Christ keeping the Law

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Duckybill

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I did answer the question. Read the verses.
Galatians 5:3-4 (NKJV)
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Good luck on Judgment Day!
 
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Oblio

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If I may interject...I don't believe that Justbyfaith is trying to say that we are justified by obeying the law, rather that through the law we become sin-conscious and aware of our need for a savior. This is how I came to know my deep need for His grace and mercy! How I became aware that I was a fallen sinner, doomed without a savior!
 

justbyfaith

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Galatians 5:3-4 (NKJV)
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Good luck on Judgment Day!
I'm going to do just fine on judgment day...for I am saved by grace through faith...just like everyone else who is saved / born again.

Of course being saved by grace means having a changed life...

Ephesians 2:1-9

Titus 2:11-15

Titus 3:3-7.

I am not a debtor to keep the whole law because I am not seeking to be justified by the law.

I am justified solely through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.

This blood not only justifies me (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies me (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses me from all sin (1 John 1:7) so that I am no longer disobedient (Titus 3:3).
 

Duckybill

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I'm going to do just fine on judgment day...for I am saved by grace through faith...just like everyone else who is saved / born again.

Of course being saved by grace means having a changed life...

Ephesians 2:1-9

Titus 2:11-15

Titus 3:3-7.

I am not a debtor to keep the whole law because I am not seeking to be justified by the law.

I am justified solely through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.

This blood not only justifies me (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies me (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses me from all sin (1 John 1:7) so that I am no longer disobedient (Titus 3:3).
When you stop preaching the Law of Moses to Christians I might take you seriously.
 
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Oblio

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The law of sin and death was nailed to the cross...get used to it!
 

justbyfaith

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When you stop preaching the Law of Moses to Christians I might take you seriously.
I am certainly not requiring you to take me seriously.

I would just say to you, that not everyone who comes and frequents a Christian Message Board is necessarily born again or saved.

I even identify as Christians those who say to Jesus, Lord, Lord.

By this definition, not every Christian is on their way to heaven (Matthew 7:21-23).

It is my intention to do what I can to introduce those who think that they are saved but are not, to the schoolmaster who can lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

I believe that they will come to Christ for the remedy to their sin-sickness more readily once they understand that they are sin-sick; and the law is the means that God uses to show people that they are indeed sin-sick.
 

justbyfaith

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The law of sin and death was nailed to the cross...get used to it!
Yes...that is the principle that "when I would do good, evil is present with me" (Romans 7:14-25, esp. v.21) in context of Romans 8:2 where the law of sin and death is mentioned.
 

Duckybill

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I am certainly not requiring you to take me seriously.

I would just say to you, that not everyone who comes and frequents a Christian Message Board is necessarily born again or saved.

I even identify as Christians those who say to Jesus, Lord, Lord.

By this definition, not every Christian is on their way to heaven (Matthew 7:21-23).

It is my intention to do what I can to introduce those who think that they are saved but are not, to the schoolmaster who can lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

I believe that they will come to Christ for the remedy to their sin-sickness more readily once they understand that they are sin-sick; and the law is the means that God uses to show people that they are indeed sin-sick.
Was, not is. The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else!

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
 

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Was, not is. The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else!

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
The law of sacrifices and blood offerings were all a shadow (tutor) of what Jesus would achieve on the cross. When Jesus died on the cross the law of ordinances (the tutor) was nailed to the cross. But the law of liberty that explains sin and helps us to understand righteousness is still pointing out our sins today But praise God we have Jesus to pay the debt. We are no longer under the Tutor, animal sacrifices and ordinances, that were given to help Israel understand the plan of salvation.

There must be a law today.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

If you need Jesus to take away your sins today, there must be a law today...
 

justbyfaith

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Was, not is. The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else!

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
The law of Moses will be the standard by which all of the world (including Gentiles) will be judged and found guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).
 

Duckybill

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The law of Moses will be the standard by which all of the world (including Gentiles) will be judged and found guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).
Total hypocrisy! The Law required executing those who work on weekends and gays! I don't think you have enough body bags to obey Moses.
 

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You should be listening to what Just By Faith is saying.
Why do we need jutification if we have no sin (no law) why?
What do you need Jesus to Justify you from sin? don't avoid the question.
 

justbyfaith

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Total hypocrisy! The Law required executing those who work on weekends and gays! I don't think you have enough body bags to obey Moses.
The sabbath law is fulfilled in Christ and is a shadow of what we find in Matthew 11:28-30; while homosexuality is still an abomination to the Lord and the penalty for it is the second death on the day of judgment for those who have not received this promise:

1Co 6:11, And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

(see also the context of the verse in question).
 

justbyfaith

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Why do we need jutification if we have no sin (no law) why?
What do you need Jesus to Justify you from sin? don't avoid the question.
That we are justified from sin as believers means that our relationship to the law has changed...

It no longer has the power to condemn us.
 

Duckybill

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The sabbath law is fulfilled in Christ and is a shadow of what we find in Matthew 11:28-30; while homosexuality is still an abomination to the Lord and the penalty for it is the second death on the day of judgment for those who have not received this promise:

1Co 6:11, And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

(see also the context of the verse in question).
Then why are you preaching the Law that YOU don't obey? Stick with the New Covenant.
 

justbyfaith

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Was, not is. The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel, NOBODY else!

Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV)
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:23, But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25, But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


These scriptures are saying that if we now have faith, that there was a time when we were kept under the law.

Now, do Gentiles have faith?

If they do, then there was a time when they were kept under the law.

Bottom line.
 

justbyfaith

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Then why are you preaching the Law that YOU don't obey? Stick with the New Covenant.
The law is to be preached to those who are under it; in order that they might stop putting their trust in the law and come out from under the law into faith in Christ.

When a person comes to faith in Christ, he does not become disobedient (Titus 3:3-7, esp. v.3).