The Sinful Charge of Idolatry Against King James Bible Believers

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You can't be physically alive and dead at the same time. There are two days in the bible... mans 24 hour day and Gods 1000 year day. Adam died before he reached 1000 years old... he died in the day he ate the fruit.

~Ephesians 2:1 KJV
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

hmm.. So how was I dead. and why did I need to be quickened (made alive) if I was already alive?

Why do you fight this so much??

 
Cool! Tell me more.. what's some finer details you've learned.[/QUOTE
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KJV,
thank you so much for your response...

there are MANY examples, but to just give a few.....

sometimes the letters are ENLARGED and sometimes they are made extremely small, for emphasis....
sometimes there is purposeful grammatical errors, and sometimes there are definitely a
plays on words that can't come across in English, because there is NO PARALLEL....

to give you an example: the Scripture in DEAUT, called the SHEMA, which Jesus Christ says,
IS the MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT in the Bible, which is,
Hear OH Israel, The Lord our God is One....and, Thou shalt Love.....

in the first verse, the last letter of the first word is ENLARGED, and like-wise,
the LAST letter of the LAST WORD, is ENLARGED - and, if you put the TWO LETTERS TOGETHER,
you have the Word, WITNESS....and that is EXACTLY what we are to WITNESS about,
that The Lord is ONE, and we are to Love the Lord with all of our hearts, souls, and might.....

it makes manifest what Paul says, 'Oh the depths and riches of God, how unsearchable are His ways',
and what I have given you, is just a brief synopsis, for we are STILL searching diligently.....,,,,,
 
Which code are you talking about? Dan Browns or perhaps that one that supposed to predict future history, also discovered in Moby Dick?

This one, Not sure what "Code" he is talking about. Probably king jimmy language? Actually I think they teach that as a language in some seminaries..

Obviously you don't understand the code.
 

So can you tell me how I can be physically alive, yet dead at the same time? WHy do I need to be made "Alive in Christ" if I am already alive? In fact, How can I be "dead" because of sin. as the bible says..

can you explain what type of "death" that is?
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it's simple EG,

IF we are ALIVE in Christ, we are DEAD to the world, the condition being, IF we walk in the SPIRIT,,,,
this is the crux, OVER-COMING, and staying STEADFAST in our walk of LOVE for our SAVIOUR.....
 
Which code are you talking about? Dan Browns or perhaps that one that supposed to predict future history, also discovered in Moby Dick?

No, this code:

John 2:20 KJV
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Human DNA mentioned in the bible. 46 chromosomes in the human body... the temple took forty and six years to build but Jesus was talking about the temple of his body. Forty is the number for temptation or testing in the KJV, 6 is the number of man in the KJV... Forty and six refers to the human body being tempted on this earth.
 
No, this code:

John 2:20 KJV
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Human DNA mentioned in the bible. 46 chromosomes in the human body... the temple took forty and six years to build but Jesus was talking about the temple of his body. Forty is the number for temptation or testing in the KJV, 6 is the number of man in the KJV... Forty and six refers to the human body being tempted on this earth.
In the KJV the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve. Coincidence... I don't think so, it's God signiture on his word.

Genesis 3:1-5 KJV
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
 
Cool! Tell me more.. what's some finer details you've learned.[/QUOTE
================================================================

KJV,
thank you so much for your response...

there are MANY examples, but to just give a few.....

sometimes the letters are ENLARGED and sometimes they are made extremely small, for emphasis....
sometimes there is purposeful grammatical errors, and sometimes there are definitely a
plays on words that can't come across in English, because there is NO PARALLEL....

to give you an example: the Scripture in DEAUT, called the SHEMA, which Jesus Christ says,
IS the MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT in the Bible, which is,
Hear OH Israel, The Lord our God is One....and, Thou shalt Love.....

in the first verse, the last letter of the first word is ENLARGED, and like-wise,
the LAST letter of the LAST WORD, is ENLARGED - and, if you put the TWO LETTERS TOGETHER,
you have the Word, WITNESS....and that is EXACTLY what we are to WITNESS about,
that The Lord is ONE, and we are to Love the Lord with all of our hearts, souls, and might.....

it makes manifest what Paul says, 'Oh the depths and riches of God, how unsearchable are His ways',
and what I have given you, is just a brief synopsis, for we are STILL searching diligently.....,,,,,

Cool, thanks for sharing!
 
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it's simple EG,

IF we are ALIVE in Christ, we are DEAD to the world, the condition being, IF we walk in the SPIRIT,,,,
this is the crux, OVER-COMING, and staying STEADFAST in our walk of LOVE for our SAVIOUR.....

what does this have to do with being dead because of sin? And having to be "born again"

How can I be "born again" if I am not dead?
 
(also from the 1611 preface -- thank you Tintin for suggesting we have a look at it; i'd never read it before or even thought to! it's an interesting bit of writing, for sure)

For is the kingdome of God become words or syllables? why should wee be in bondage to them if we may be free, use one precisely when wee may use another no lesse fit, as commodiously?
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You're welcome, brother. Back when I first read the Preface, I found it a difficult read (at times) so I had to take my time, but it's a very important and quite illuminating read, yes? :)
 
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The Masoretic Text version of Amos 9:12 (which is what the KJV uses) and the Septuagint version of that verse are not even close. James quote in Acts 15 matches the Septuagint version, so I don't know what the point of your comment was.

If you would like another example that the KJV is not perfect, I direct you to Zechariah 14:5. This is the Masoretic Text version (which the KJV uses).
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, King James Version​

And this is the Septuagint version, which all evidence indicates is the correct version.
The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol [Azal], it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible​

Search internet for azal + yasul for the evidence. It's too much for me to go into here.

Hi,
I would like to present three (3) things of my observations on what you previously posted and to the above statements or posts.

1. You are not a BIBLE Critic. Your above statements prove that you are not a Bible Critic at all, not even a clone of it or the shadow of it. In reality, you are just following (innocently) the blind guides that will fall into a ditch. But what you are doing right now is only a mere guesswork unsupported by no evidence wherein you failed to do that even in your first post on this thread. You didn’t even come up well with your presentation. As said, you are not a Bible Critic as I supposed. You didn’t fully grasped or understand why I made mentioned on my previous post about some errors of a Bible Critic makes. You fail to be a Bible Critic. You’re even unaware that in the “Science of Biblical Criticism” has developed a number of rules to accomplish its aim and in the forefront the textual critic must be a trained scholar. The emphasis upon scholarship is one of the hallmarks of this “science falsely so called” and it effectively sets a class of system forcing Christian to rely upon the (human) scholar in order to believe the word of God. You are even unaware the bible says in this regards to these “men of high degree.”

1 Timothy 6:20 Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Psalms 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

Plain and simple, you did not able to present any Greek or Hebrew languages, only the readings of it and trying to forced me into thinking that the KJV is in error because it does not follow the reading the Hebrew Masoretic text where it is supposed but did match the LXX. This is in the case of Acts 15 and the prophecy of Amos. Your gross error is that you fail to understand the proper context of the bible, whereas James quoted it as in agreement of what the prophets’ words. “In agreement” does not oblige to follow the exact rendition of what is written by the prophet. FYI, the KJV is translated out of the “original tongues” with previous translation diligently compared.
The Old Testament:
1. 4 printed Hebrew Bibles available dated 1488 AD, 1491 AD, 1494 AD and 1517 AD.
2. Previous Translation Diligently Compared
a. Tyndale’s Old Testament translation
b. The Matthews Bible
c. The Geneva Bible
d. The Bishops Bible
e. The Compultensian Polyglot
f. The Antwerp Polyglot
g. The Targums
h. The Peshitta
The New Testament:
1. The Received Text – 4rd Edition of Stephanus 1550AD
2. Previous Translation Diligently Compared
a. Tyndales N.T.
b. Matthews Bible
c. The Geneva Bible
d. The Bishops Bible
e. The Olivetan Bible (French)
f. The Diodati Bible ( Italian)
g. Luther’s Bible (German)
h. The Waldensians Bible (Old Italic)
i. The Pehistta ( Syriac)
j. The Rheim’s- Douay N.T.
k. The Spanish Translation
l. Tremilles Latin Version
m. Beza’s Latin Version


2.The Hebrew Masoretic Text as Tradition. Here is another gross mistake. Your flawed logic is that because it is Jewish, it is a Tradition. By saying that you equate the O.T. Text, a no longer scriptures and who am I to believe you. I put the scriptures above traditions. Christ quoted it. Christ mentioned the LAW, the PROPHETS and the PSALMS referring to the Old Testament.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

In Romans 3:1-2 declares that the Oracles of God were committed unto whom?

“What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.”

I give heed to what the scriptures says and already given up the traditions of the Roman Catholic.

3. The NJB, a not Final Authority. As expected, your NJB is not your final Authority. I wish you could come up with your final authority, since I am defending with my Final Authority. I don’t play tricks here. You are so quick to point some seeming mistakes on the KJV but you fail to point the many serious omissions of your NJB. Your NJB does omit 15 entire verses in the New Testament and many words in the Bible where you fail to correct that. Listed are the following for your further studies:
Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14
Mark 9:44; 9:46; 11:26; 15:28
Luke 17:36; 23:17
Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29
Romans 16:24
I John 5:7
And here are parting verses for you to keep.
1 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2 Timothy 3: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
The version of Zechariah 14:5 in the KJV comes from the Masoretic Text. It has no basis in reality, but derives from Jewish tradition. Masoretic, of course, in essence means tradition. The NJB is not my final authority, by any means, but it does have the best translation of this verse in existence.

Hi, for this one please refer to my earlier post.

thanks
 
In the KJV the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve. Coincidence... I don't think so, it's God signiture on his word.

Genesis 3:1-5 KJV
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

One flaw in your theory is that the Temple was never fully completed.