The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Cameron143]

Do you think that the following verses express a correct view of obeying the Law of Moses?

Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules[b] of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

The view the Law of Moses is a heavy burden that no one can bear is incompatible with the view that those verses express a correct view of obeying it. Moreover, if you interpret the Apostles as expressing views that are incompatible with the truth of what they considered to be Scripture, then that should indicate to you that you have misunderstood them.


A prophet is someone who speaks for God, not necessarily someone who predicts the future. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that it instructs to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying what God has spoken, so it is not the case that a false prophet must have a false prophecy.

OK. Show where I have instructed falsely or instructed anyone not to obey God.

Also, I believe obeying commandments through human endeavor only keeps the letter of the law. While I would never tell anyone not to make a practice of the law, outward obedience void of inward reality is not acceptable to God. See Isaiah 1.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

After what days? The writer is referring to 'those'days'. Don't keep us guessing....what days is he referring to? Tell you what, lets' look at that verse in context to 'further' our 'studies'.

The High Priest of a New Covenant​

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​ ​ Par ▾ Christ’s Eternal Priesthood 1The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who ministers in the sanctuary and true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man. 3And since every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, it was necessary for this One also to have something to offer. 4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are already priests who offer gifts according to the law. 5The place where they serve is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:26–40) 6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second. 8But God found fault with the people and said:​ “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,​ when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, declares the Lord. 10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 11No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.” 13By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear V.10 is included in the chapter above. It is not a stand alone verse. To represent it as such is deceptive and someone who does such a thing is not trying to be truthful. You should be embarrassed Sabbathblessing. This chapter is actually about the eternal Priesthood of Christ. It is not about the commandments. All commandment followers should also take note, that Jeremiah 31:26-40 is given as further reference to this chapter. What is the reference? It speaks of Christ being the New Covenant in both the old and the new testaments. Jesus, is THE High Priest of the New Covenant. Jesus.​

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A covenant is an agreement. The agreement is obsolete because the people broke the covenant and didn't continue in it. So God "after those day" wrote a new agreement or covenant- He placed *His Laws* on the inward parts. Not written in the mind because we know to do them, written in the heart because we love Jesus. Sadly, not everyone has entered His covenant by faith, because they won't subject themselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8

So who gets to define God's laws- God or man?

Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16- so if we are not obeying God's laws that He clearly defined, He even personally wrote them, so we really won't have any excuses, we are sadly serving another and probably do not even realize it.

Jesus is our High Priest, no longer a Levitical priest, no longer blood of animals for our sins- God's laws is still His standard of righteousness (right-doing) Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 because its eternal Psa 119:142 but when we seek our own righteousness (right-doing) and not God's, we will fail every time.

 

[vassal]

It is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Its name is its explanation.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

what does that mean ? what is the law of the spirit of Christ, how can you follow something you cant define?

 

[pinebeach]

Don't you love how Sabbathblessings IGNORES the post that shows how she/he (I don't know) tries to use scripture to make it seem it's all about the commandments?

When I posted the verse from Hebrews in context, we learn that Jesus is the New Covenant.

I think trying to change scripture and use it to say what it clearly does not say, is shameful and immature behavior; frankly a desperate attempt to be right even at the cost of modifying the Bible itself in order to present yourself as the authority.

 

[rogerg]

what does that mean ? what is the law of the spirit of Christ, how can you follow something you cant define?

lol. You don't follow it; you are placed under it by God - it is a unilateral action by Him, not man.
Notice the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Christ) itself freed Paul from being under the law of sin and death.
Paul contributed nothing to the process, he was but a beneficiary of it. It is the law of life that exists within Christ alone.
By His indwelling of someone, they are given eternal spiritual life,

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I'm not asking what the law is. I'm asking what the law requires of an individual. That is, what does it allow for and what does it forbid. Further, are there internal components of the law? If so, what is required? Further still, to what degree is a commandment to be done? To its fullest extent? Continuously? To its utmost.

If you are going to level a charge that people aren't keeping the law, at least explain the law, its demands and prohibitions, and its demonstration and under under whose power it is accomplished.

I think many people here have done far more than consider a mere reading of the law but what each commandment requires both inwardly and outwardly, and know of their utter inability to meet God's standard apart from Him. If you are going to teach, actually teach.

Hi Cameron,

This is a huge study- the entire Bible hangs on those principles- loving God, loving neighbor.

Here is a great Bible Study on the Ten Commandments- it breaks down each commandment and deals with both the inward commandment and how it affects the outward. I hope you find it useful

Ten Commandments Archives

The Ten Commandments are suffering an identity crisis are they merely antiquated relic of an ancient culture, or do they still have meaning, purpose, and application for people living today? Pastor Doug Batchelor explores the amazing riches that can be mined from each and every commandment...

www.amazingfacts.org

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Don't you love how Sabbathblessings IGNORES the post that shows how she/he (I don't know) tries to use scripture to make it seem it's all about the commandments?

When I posted the verse from Hebrews in context, we learn that Jesus is the New Covenant.

I think trying to change scripture and use it to say what it clearly does not say, is shameful and immature behavior; frankly a desperate attempt to be right even at the cost of modifying the Bible itself in order to present yourself as the authority.

This is what the Bible says is the New Covenant- Jesus never turned into laws.

Heb8:10 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

 

[Cameron143]

"You deflect again. I said clearly you were not a false prophet. The Law (Ten Commandments) has a place, and an important one. Remember the Ark of the Covenant? In the Tabernacle in the desert, it contained the tablets with the Ten Commandments. On top of that was the Mercy Seat, which had two representations of Cherubim with protective wings stretched toward the middle. Between these protective Cherubim is where the presence of God appeared. This description is a representation of God's throne in Heaven from Scripture. God appeared above the Ten Commandments! You say I place too much importance on the Law. I say I do not place enough!

Numbers 7:89 "Now when Moses entered the Tabernacle of Meeting to speak with Him, he heard the voice of One speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the Testimony, from between the two cherubim; thus He spoke to him."

1 Samuel 4:4 and 2 Samuel 6:2 both refer to God as the one who "dwells between the cherubim" on the Ark, which was His established place of appearance.

And then there is Revelation 11:19, where John writes that the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the Ark of the Covenant was seen inside His temple. The Ark is not just an old relic left behind in history. It is seen in Heaven itself. The same Ark, the same commandments, the same mercy seat, present before the throne of God. That should tell us something about how God views His own Law."

Do you understand now the importance of the ten commandments that God called the Covenant?

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Where is our copy of the 10 commandments today? Where is God's presence today? The Bible isn't revered because it contains the 10 commandments. It is revered because it reveals God through Christ. You search the scriptures because in them you believe you find life. But life is found in Christ, and not in following the commandments. And the only way to truly fulfill the commandments is if Christ lives them out in us.

So far, no one can even tell me how to obey the 1st commandment. Maybe you can take a crack at it. If you do, please try to tell me more than just don't put anything else before God.

 

[Cameron143]

Hi Cameron,

This is a huge study- the entire Bible hangs on those principles- loving God, loving neighbor.

Here is a great Bible Study on the Ten Commandments- it breaks down each commandment and deals with both the inward commandment and how it affects the outward. I hope you find it useful

Ten Commandments Archives

The Ten Commandments are suffering an identity crisis are they merely antiquated relic of an ancient culture, or do they still have meaning, purpose, and application for people living today? Pastor Doug Batchelor explores the amazing riches that can be mined from each and every commandment...

www.amazingfacts.org

It doesn't help. All you give are a rendering of scripture without giving its meaning and essence.

Let's try this. We are commanded to do all things to the glory of God. How would one drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God?

 

[rogerg]

This is what the Bible says is the New Covenant- Jesus never turned into laws.

Heb8:10 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

Wrong laws. Under the New Covenant the laws had to be changed because the priesthood was changed, so the "my laws" are laws that pertain to Christ, no longer laws that demand or are based upon legalistic compliance.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It doesn't help. All you give are a rendering of scripture without giving its meaning and essence.

Let's try this. We are commanded to do all things to the glory of God. How would one drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God?

I have been down this road with you before and my guess its going to end up in the same place as last time. My recommendation is to remove the noise and prayerfully study the word of God and let that be what guides us Psa 119:105

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Wrong laws. Under the New Covenant the laws had to be changed because the priesthood was changed, so the "my laws" are laws that pertain to Christ, no longer laws that demand or are based upon legalistic compliance.

The priesthood changed first in Hebrews 7 so Jesus could be our High Priest and be the Mediator of His New Covenant which is the law of God going from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Which we see plainly in Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16

 

[pinebeach]

This is what the Bible says is the New Covenant- Jesus never turned into laws.

Heb8:10 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

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[SabbathBlessing]

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So prove it by Scripture, show me where Jesus is the New Covenant and not what He said it is His laws being written in the heart and mind. Its easy to make accusations and sadly people have Ph.d.'s here with that, but its another to actually prove it.

 

[rogerg]

The priesthood changed first in Hebrews 7 so Jesus could be our High Priest and be the Mediator of His New Covenant which is the law of God going from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Which we see plainly in Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16

No, we are told in no uncertain terms that the law HAD to change because the priesthood changed. The respective law accompanied the respective priesthood - no overlap or sharing permitted.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, we are told in no uncertain terms that the law HAD change because the priesthood changed. The respective law accompanied the respective priesthood - no overlap or sharing permitted.

Yes, and in Hebrews 7 it tells us what law (of the priesthood) had to change, and why, because the law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. So the law of the priesthood had to change because Jesus is our High Priest. It says this plainly in the chapter.

Heb7: 12For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Which law??? Lets let the context tell us instead of adding our own words to God's word.

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

Hence why the law of the priesthood had to change. Its one of the better promises of the New Covenant that we see plainly in Hebrews 8. Hebrews 7 does not delete Hebrews 8, they work together.

 

[rogerg]

So prove it by Scripture, show me where Jesus is the New Covenant and not what He said it is His laws being written in the heart and mind. Its easy to make accusations and sadly people have Ph.d.'s here with that, but its another to actually prove it.

Here:

[2Co 1:20 KJV] 20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Here:

[2Co 1:20 KJV] 20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Of course, but that doesn't change what God said His covenant is. Heb8:10

 

[Cameron143]

I have been down this road with you before and my guess its going to end up in the same place as last time. My recommendation is to remove the noise and prayerfully study the word of God and let that be what guides us Psa 119:105

Or...you can stop pretending you know what the law actually entails. 1 Corinthians 10:31 tells us that whether we eat or drink, or whatever we do, we are to do it to the glory of God. Even such mundane things as eating and drinking can accrue glory to God. So don't run away from this command. Teach us how to drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God.

 

[rogerg]

Yes, and in Hebrews 7 it tells us what law (of the priesthood) had to change, and why, because the law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. So the law of the priesthood had to change because Jesus is our High Priest. It says this plainly in the chapter.

I don't know what you're talking about. This discussion started because you said: "The priesthood changed first in Hebrews 7 so Jesus could be our High Priest and be the Mediator of His New Covenant which is the law of God going from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Which we see plainly in Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16". Wrong, that change was not just of tablets of stone to tables of the heart, but of the two covenants being of two completely different laws, the new, which God places into the heart for those who He chose to the New Covenant are of Christ. The Old Covenant laws based upon legalistic compliance by those under them, were completely done away with in/by Christ.