The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

That is not correct regarding the Mosaic law at Mt Sinai.

We are not one people as far as the law is concerned.

The scripture clearly specifies that God chose Israel and God did not choose the Gentiles.

The Gentiles were never the old covenant people.

Were the ten words universal?

No according to the law of Noah; there were only seven laws that the Gentiles were given.

Guess what TMS, the seven laws did not include the sabbath.

They prohibit idolatry, blasphemy, murder, theft, sexual immorality, and eating the limb of a live animal,
while requiring the establishment of courts of justice.

According to the scripture the ten commandments were never universal.

You need to explain why the law of Noah does not include a sabbath law.

I will wait patiently.

The law of God was given from one generation to another by faithful parents to their children..

God waited until the Exodus to give them a written copy on stone.

The Sabbath is a commemorative memorial of God’s creative power, designed for all of humanity from the moment the world was finished. Because it was established at creation, it is an original institution that predates the fall of man and the need for any ceremonial laws.
Gen 2....
He Rested: God Himself rested to set an example for man.

He Blessed: He placed a divine favor upon the seventh day.

He Sanctified: He set the day apart for a holy and religious use.

God said REMEMBER.

The sabbath was there before Exudus 20. People may have forgotten but that proves that people were keeping it Holy before that day.

Throughout the book of Genesis, we see clear evidence that time was already divided into weeks of seven days, a division that has no basis in nature except for the week of creation. This indicates that the patriarchs were following the rhythm established by the Sabbath.

Noah observed the seven-day cycle while in the ark, waiting for the waters to subside. Genesis 8:10-12

Jacob recognized the "week" as a standard measurement of time during his service for his wives. Genesis 29:27-28.

When Moses and Aaron approached the king, Pharaoh accused them of making the people "rest" from their work Exodus 5:5
The word used for "rest" in this context is the Hebrew shabath, which specifically refers to the keeping of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Pharaoh was angered by this interruption of labor and responded by calling the people "idle" and removing their supply of straw, forcing them to gather it themselves while maintaining the same quota of bricks Exodus 5:7-17

Then Ex 16...

The weekly sabbath rest was there before Mt Siani.

 

[TMS]

No law = no violation = no death.

Romans 7:9
I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died.

Is it sin or the law that kills?

Do you solve the sin problem by removing the law?

Jesus didn't do it that way
Jesus died for us. The law has not changed. The penalty has been paid by Jesus and forgiveness is freely given but that does not mean we should continue to sin.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You can eat what ever you want.

Oh I do. Anywhere between 10-14lbs of meat a week. Delicious nutrients that help me run ultramarathons.

I've got my eyes on heaven
The diet in heaven will only be plants

Will it not include milk, cheese, and eggs?

I don't desire meat in any way..
It's your choice.

It’s everyone’s choice for sure. Did you not want to provide proof that vegetarians live longer?

 

[Qt]

Oh I do. Anywhere between 10-14lbs of meat a week. Delicious nutrients that help me run ultramarathons.

Will it not include milk, cheese, and eggs?

It’s everyone’s choice for sure. Did you not want to provide proof that vegetarians live longer?

Proof

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Proof

I love how @SabbathBlessing gave a like to a study that proves SDA diet beliefs wrong. I hadn’t read that study yet so thank you for providing it and proving my point that vegetarians don’t live longer.

Conclusion

This study has shown that meat intake is positively associated with life expectancy at national level. The underlying reasons may be that meat not only provides energy but also complete nutrients to human body. From the evolutionary point of view, meat has arguably been an indispensable component in human diet for millions of years, which is evidenced, genetically, by meat digesting enzymes and digestive tract anatomy. The complete nutritional profile of meat and human adaptation to meat eating have enabled humans to gain many physical benefits, including greater life expectancy. Meat intake, or its adequate replacement, should be incorporated into nutritional science to improve human life expectancy.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Proof

Here’s another nice quote from that study:

On this note, the Seventh-day Adventist cohort has been over researched in order to demonstrate the relationship between vegetarianism and life expectancy.12–14However, studies in non-Adventist vegetarians have shown nil or very weak correlation between vegetarian diet and longevity.86

 

[JimiSurvivor]

The law of God was given from one generation to another by faithful parents to their children..God waited until the Exodus to give them a written copy on stone.

Here you posit that God issued a command to all humanity to keep Shabbat which was subsequently passed down to every generation that followed. This reminds me of the Rabbinical teaching that the oral law was given at Sinai along with the Law it was not written down. This idea was invented to give the ORAL LAW authority by creating an ad hoc narrative and inserting it into the scriptures.
Your central proposition that The law of God was given from one generation to another by faithful parents to their children is not stated in the text but is derived from your own presuppositions.

The only thing Moses said about resting on Shabbat was that God Himself ceased from His labors on the seventh creation Day. He does not go on to make this event into a command for the rest of mankind by reasoning that since God rested on the Seventh Day so should every human being must also cease their labors on the seventh day of our work week. Whenever God commands us to do something He does not leave it to us INFER or DEDUCE what He requires. Instead, He issues clear unambiguous commands just as He did with Israel at Sinai. We know for sure that Keeping Shabbat was a command for Israel to observe weekly not by inference but because
Moses explicitly said so:
“It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between ME and the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.” (Exodus 31:17)
To whom was Shabbat a SIGN of rest? To those who had been slaves, to those who were governed by the terms of the covenant God covenant with Israel at Sinai.

The Sabbath is a commemorative memorial of God’s creative power, designed for all of humanity from the moment the world was finished. Because it was established at creation, it is an original institution that predates the fall of man and the need for any ceremonial laws.

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. AFTER COMMANDING SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN VERSES 12–14, Moses gives the the reason Shabbat was given specifically to the nation of Israel:
“Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. THEREFORE [for this reason] he Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
Under Phaoah's rule all their time and energy belonged to Pharaoh. Being slaves they had no "rights" They had to work without any day of rest serving Pharaoh's delusions about being a god-king.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Here you posit that God issued a command to all humanity to keep Shabbat which was subsequently passed down to every generation that followed. This reminds me of the Rabbinical teaching that the oral law was given at Sinai along with the Law it was not written down. This idea was invented to give the ORAL LAW authority by creating an ad hoc narrative and inserting it into the scriptures.
Your central proposition that The law of God was given from one generation to another by faithful parents to their children is not stated in the text but is derived from your own presuppositions.

The only thing Moses said about resting on Shabbat was that God Himself ceased from His labors on the seventh creation Day. He does not go on to make this event into a command for the rest of mankind by reasoning that since God rested on the Seventh Day so should every human being must also cease their labors on the seventh day of our work week. Whenever God commands us to do something He does not leave it to us INFER or DEDUCE what He requires. Instead, He issues clear unambiguous commands just as He did with Israel at Sinai. We know for sure that Keeping Shabbat was a command for Israel to observe weekly not by inference but because
Moses explicitly said so:
“It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between ME and the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.” (Exodus 31:17)
To whom was Shabbat a SIGN of rest? To those who had been slaves, to those who were governed by the terms of the covenant God covenant with Israel at Sinai.


In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. AFTER COMMANDING SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN VERSES 12–14, Moses gives the the reason Shabbat was given specifically to the nation of Israel:
“Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. THEREFORE [for this reason] he Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
Under Phaoah's rule all their time and energy belonged to Pharaoh. Being slaves they had no "rights" They had to work without any day of rest serving Pharaoh's delusions about being a god-king.

Do you view Psa 23 as applying to you? Do you view that Jesus is the one leading us out of our bondage of sin and into His rest or does that not apply to you? Do you feel Heb4:1-10 applies to you and if so what about Heb4:11

 

[Qt]

I love how @SabbathBlessing gave a like to a study that proves SDA diet beliefs wrong. I hadn’t read that study yet so thank you for providing it and proving my point that vegetarians don’t live longer.

Conclusion

This study has shown that meat intake is positively associated with life expectancy at national level. The underlying reasons may be that meat not only provides energy but also complete nutrients to human body. From the evolutionary point of view, meat has arguably been an indispensable component in human diet for millions of years, which is evidenced, genetically, by meat digesting enzymes and digestive tract anatomy. The complete nutritional profile of meat and human adaptation to meat eating have enabled humans to gain many physical benefits, including greater life expectancy. Meat intake, or its adequate replacement, should be incorporated into nutritional science to improve human life expectancy.

No you didn’t. The fact that you laugh at someone due to what you perceive to be a mistake says a lot about you and your walk with God. None of which is good.

From the article: To date, there has been prevailing research stating that vegetarians tend to have greater life expectancy compared with non-vegetarians in some populations, particularly among Seventh-day Adventists.14,17 However, lack of population representativeness and failure to remove the influence of lifestyle in these studies have been heavily criticised.18Thus, the suggestion that vegetarian diet improves longevity is questionable

 

[vassal]

The Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses
A Study of Their Distinction, Purpose and Continuing Obligation
With Specific Reference to Gentile Believers Under the New Covenant
Scripture References: NKJV and KJV​

Abstract
This academic study examines the precise biblical distinction between the Ten Commandments as the eternal covenant of God and the Law of Moses as a temporary legal system added because of Israel's transgression. The study further examines what obligations remain for Gentile believers under the New Covenant drawing exclusively from the Torah, the Prophets, the Writings, the Gospels and apostolic writings. The central argument is that the Ten Commandments predate the Mosaic legal system, belong to a different category of divine legislation, serve a different purpose and carry a different and permanent status before God. The Law of Moses by contrast was added alongside the eternal covenant as a temporary guardian for a sinful people and was fulfilled and completed in the person and work of Jesus Christ. The moral obligations of the Ten Commandments however remain fully in force for all believers including Gentiles under the New Covenant precisely because they were written by God Himself as the expression of His eternal character and because Jesus Christ confirmed their permanent standing in His own words.


I have written a PDF document with much more details for those interested, it complements the opening post that was limited in length.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

No you didn’t. The fact that you laugh at someone due to what you perceive to be a mistake says a lot about you and your walk with God. None of which is good.

From the article: To date, there has been prevailing research stating that vegetarians tend to have greater life expectancy compared with non-vegetarians in some populations, particularly among Seventh-day Adventists.14,17 However, lack of population representativeness and failure to remove the influence of lifestyle in these studies have been heavily criticised.18Thus, the suggestion that vegetarian diet improves longevity is questionable

I laughed because I find it funny that someone likes something without reading it. You also apparently only read enough to hear what you wanted to hear. If you would actually read the rest of the study you would learn that it shows adding meat to your diet has many benefits and increases life expectancy. I asked for proof on vegetarians living longer and you posted what you thought was proof. But you failed. I could have provided a study my self but you did so thank you.

Then you reply with this quote but I guess you forgot to read it also: However, lack of population representativeness and failure to remove the influence of lifestyle in these studies have been heavily criticised.18Thus, the suggestion that vegetarian diet improves longevity is questionable

If you would like me to explain how the SDA research is flawed I can do that. Also you should research the Native Americans and Inuits being some of the healthiest people on earth due to their 85-100% meat diets. That was until foreigners brought in agriculture, diseases, and processed foods.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Do you view Psa 23 as applying to you? Do you view that Jesus is the one leading us out of our bondage of sin and into His rest or does that not apply to you? Do you feel Heb4:1-10 applies to you and if so what about Heb4:11

In order to correctly interpret scripture we must understand the difference between TYPES and ANTITYPES and not mix them up haphazardly. Types are SYMBOLS while Antitypes are the SPIRITUAL REALITIES that are represented by those symbols. This terminology was not invented by me. It was how the scriptures were interpreted in the Targums. It was also the method Paul often used when he interpreted the scripture:

In his letter to the Corinthians Paul wrote:
6 Now these things [the many tests Israel went through in the Wilderness] happened as examples [tupos or "types"] for US, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
(1 Corinthians 10:1-6)

When the Apostle wrote about this passage, he said the following:
1 For I do not want you to be unaware, BROTHERS, that our fathers were all UNDER THE cloud and all PASSED THROUGH the sea;
2 and all were BAPTIZED into Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA;3
and all ate the same spiritual food;4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them, and the rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased. For THEY WERE STRUCK DOWN IN THE WILDERNESS.
6 Now these things happened as examples [tupos or types] for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
(1 Corinthians 10:1-6)

Paul treats the events that happened to ancient Israel as TYPES that SYMBOLICALLY represent the present-day experience of (mostly) Gentile believers under the New Covenant (who were the primary audience Paul was writing to in his Corinthian letter.
You cite several other references here (i.e., Hebrews 4:1-11) which lead me to suspect that you intend to make this passage about literally keeping Shabbat.

You are bound to the letter because, you apparently have never experienced the new birth. Nicodemus who was a rabbi, far more knowledgeable in the scriptures and traditions of the Jews, than either you or I, also could not grasp the spiritual truths hidden in the word because he had not been enlightened by the Spirit.
Jesus expressed amazement at their ignorance:
10“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus to Nicodemus, “and you do not understand these things? 11Truly, truly, I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, and yet you people do not accept our testimony.
(John 3:10-11)

Although the word "Sabbath Day" or "Sabbath rest" can be used in a literal sense to mean ceasing from physical labor on the Seventh day of the week, it is also used symbolically as a type representing a spiritual truth. Hebrews 4:1-2 says: "1 Therefore, while the PROMISE of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also received the GOOD NEWS just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

The author of Hebrews develops this idea further using Joshua [the son of Nun] as a type of Jesus (since in Hebrew their names are identical)
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
9 There remains, [the author concludes] then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His.
11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.
(Hebrews 4:8-11)

 

[Just_A__Follower]

No you didn’t. The fact that you laugh at someone due to what you perceive to be a mistake says a lot about you and your walk with God. None of which is good.

From the article: To date, there has been prevailing research stating that vegetarians tend to have greater life expectancy compared with non-vegetarians in some populations, particularly among Seventh-day Adventists.14,17 However, lack of population representativeness and failure to remove the influence of lifestyle in these studies have been heavily criticised.18Thus, the suggestion that vegetarian diet improves longevity is questionable

Oh and here’s you a brief AI overview of the study:

A 2022 study published in the International Journal of General Medicine found that higher total meat consumption is significantly associated with greater life expectancy and lower child mortality across 175 contemporary populations. The findings suggest that meat provides essential, complete nutrients, and the correlation with longevity persisted even when accounting for factors such as income, calorie intake, and urbanization. Read the full study at Dove Medical Press.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

In order to correctly interpret scripture we must understand the difference between TYPES and ANTITYPES and not mix them up haphazardly. Types are SYMBOLS while Antitypes are the SPIRITUAL REALITIES that are represented by those symbols. This terminology was not invented by me. It was how the scriptures were interpreted in the Targums. It was also the method Paul often used when he interpreted the scripture:

So I take it you do not feel those Scriptures apply to you, the LORD is My Shepard and that just a promise to Israel. I understand about types and anti-types but your conclusion that they don't apply to us I believe is flawed.

Although the word "Sabbath Day" or "Sabbath rest" can be used in a literal sense to mean ceasing from physical labor on the Seventh day of the week, it is also used symbolically as a type representing a spiritual truth. Hebrews 4:1-2 says: "1 Therefore, while the PROMISE of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also received the GOOD NEWS just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

There are two different rests on this passage not one verse 10 makes this plain and the seventh day rest is still the seventh day rest because that's what God said it was and there is no greater Authority than God. We do not enter into Christ rest by being disobedient to the commandments of God, its what this very passage is warning us againt. This passage is quoting OT, if we are not familiar with what its quoting we will come up to the wrong conclusions

Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.

There is a promise of rest that remains for us to enter.

2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

So this is not a new gospel like people are teaching here, its the same gospel message given to the Israelites, so not a new Sabbath, not a new rest, its the same one.

3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world

The rest God provides were available from the foundation of the world, mankind could enter in God's rest from Creation and those who enter ALSO cease from their works as God did on the seventh day. Why the Sabbath rest started at Creation thus saith the LORD Exo20:11

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

How did God speak of the seventh day in this way?

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So God's rest was available but they could not enter

5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

Because .....

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience

And what did they disobey that prevented an entire nation from entering into their land of milk and honey their rest into Canaan, God Himself tells us.

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols

So they could not enter because of disobedience and God told us what that was they profaned (broke) the Sabbath which God relates to idol worship.

7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

This is quoting David Psa95 about the rebellion in the wilderness which God told us again relating it to breaking the Sababth Eze20:13

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

This is quoting Joshua and what was the rest being referred to? The land full of milk and honey. Jos1:13 they would have entered 40 years prior had it not been for their rebellion and disobedience why another day was spoken of.

9 There remains therefore a Sabbath- rest for the people of God.

The Sabbath rest is always according to the commandment Luke23:56 Exo20:8-11

Why the Greek meaning in this verse literally means a keeping of the Sabbath remains for the people of God.

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Notice two things going on in the verse this bring this whole passage together. Those who enter Christ rest ALSO meaning they do something in addition, they also cease from their works as God did from His? Did God cease from His works on the first day, or the second day, or the third day. When did God cease from His works that we ALSO do for those who enter His rest.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

This cannot be made more plain. We are made in the image of God to follow Him. Those who enter His rest also keep the Sabbath and rest from their works on the seventh day, why the Sabbath remains for the people of God. God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12 the way He said because He is our God and we are His people Eze20:20

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

So the same gospel was preached to Israel they rebelled and broke the Sabbath that prevented them from entering into their rest into Canaan - we are called to enter God's rest those who do also cease from their works as God did on the seventh day why the Sabbath keeping remains for the people of God and be careful that anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience as the Israelites who broke the Sabbath and rebelled. Eze20:13 Exe20:15-16

In God's rest no one is in rebellion to God's commandments why there is just peace and waves of righteousness'.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

We have yet to enter our rest will we follow in the same path of disobedience that left an enter generation out of their promised rest of will we enter to by faith and serve God the way He asked Isa56:6

Rev 14:12 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Qt]

I laughed because I find it funny that someone likes something without reading it. You also apparently only read enough to hear what you wanted to hear. If you would actually read the rest of the study you would learn that it shows adding meat to your diet has many benefits and increases life expectancy. I asked for proof on vegetarians living longer and you posted what you thought was proof. But you failed. I could have provided a study my self but you did so thank you.

Then you reply with this quote but I guess you forgot to read it also: However, lack of population representativeness and failure to remove the influence of lifestyle in these studies have been heavily criticised.18Thus, the suggestion that vegetarian diet improves longevity is questionable

If you would like me to explain how the SDA research is flawed I can do that. Also you should research the Native Americans and Inuits being some of the healthiest people on earth due to their 85-100% meat diets. That was until foreigners brought in agriculture, diseases, and processed foods.

You say a lot of pointed things about people. With all that you lack the least of your concern should be discussing doctrine on a Bible discussion site. With that being said for your information, I read the whole article for the most part. It’s unbiased and for the most part doesn’t have any definite conclusion even though it states one.

Why do I say that? Because what it states about Seventh-Day Adventist and how the study related to them. Because at the end of the day, we’re not talking about everybody we’re talking about Christians, people who follow God and the lifestyle that he had chosen for us to live. Which is a serious factor in longevity in and of itself without being a vegetarian

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You say a lot of pointed things about people. With all that you lack the least of your concern should be discussing doctrine on a Bible discussion site.

What pointed things have I said about people? I am glad you know how my walk with God is going and what I lack. That sounds like a pathetic insult because you feel ignorant for posting evidence against yours and your sda friend’s claims.

With that being said for your information, I read the whole article for the most part. It’s unbiased and for the most part doesn’t have any definite conclusion even though it states one.

It doesn’t have a conclusion even though it states one. Think about what you said for a minute. It actually has a conclusion.
It concludes that eating meat is potentially a better predictor of life expectancy than plant based food intake. It isn’t undecided, it’s saying the data for vegetarianism is weak and the data for meat is strong.

Why do I say that? Because what it states about Seventh-Day Adventist and how the study related to them. Because at the end of the day, we’re not talking about everybody we’re talking about Christians, people who follow God and the lifestyle that he had chosen for us to live. Which is a serious factor in longevity in and of itself without being a vegetarian

Actually we were talking about vegetarianism. Now you want to divert to avoid the fact that you messed up. Do Christian’s have different stomachs than non-Christians? The guy said he knows vegetarians live longer. I challenged his claim by asking for proof which you attempted to provide. You failed and then tried to cover up your mistake with insults and claiming that what you posted was pointless. Fact is there is no proof that vegetarians live longer and there is strong evidence that eating meat increases lifespan. Have a good day and maybe try not to judge other’s walks with God. Worry about your own walk.

 

[Mem]

What pointed things have I said about people? I am glad you know how my walk with God is going and what I lack. That sounds like a pathetic insult because you feel ignorant for posting evidence against yours and your sda friend’s claims.

It doesn’t have a conclusion even though it states one. Think about what you said for a minute. It actually has a conclusion.
It concludes that eating meat is potentially a better predictor of life expectancy than plant based food intake. It isn’t undecided, it’s saying the data for vegetarianism is weak and the data for meat is strong.

Actually we were talking about vegetarianism. Now you want to divert to avoid the fact that you messed up. Do Christian’s have different stomachs than non-Christians? The guy said he knows vegetarians live longer. I challenged his claim by asking for proof which you attempted to provide. You failed and then tried to cover up your mistake with insults and claiming that what you posted was pointless. Fact is there is no proof that vegetarians live longer and there is strong evidence that eating meat increases lifespan. Have a good day and maybe try not to judge other’s walks with God. Worry about your own walk.

What's the point of living any longer if you're helping no one find rest in the gospel? All vegans end up with is a more fibrous poop.

 

[TMS]

Here you posit that God issued a command to all humanity to keep Shabbat which was subsequently passed down to every generation that followed. This reminds me of the Rabbinical teaching that the oral law was given at Sinai along with the Law it was not written down. This idea was invented to give the ORAL LAW authority by creating an ad hoc narrative and inserting it into the scriptures.
Your central proposition that The law of God was given from one generation to another by faithful parents to their children is not stated in the text but is derived from your own presuppositions.

The only thing Moses said about resting on Shabbat was that God Himself ceased from His labors on the seventh creation Day. He does not go on to make this event into a command for the rest of mankind by reasoning that since God rested on the Seventh Day so should every human being must also cease their labors on the seventh day of our work week. Whenever God commands us to do something He does not leave it to us INFER or DEDUCE what He requires. Instead, He issues clear unambiguous commands just as He did with Israel at Sinai. We know for sure that Keeping Shabbat was a command for Israel to observe weekly not by inference but because
Moses explicitly said so:
“It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between ME and the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.” (Exodus 31:17)
To whom was Shabbat a SIGN of rest? To those who had been slaves, to those who were governed by the terms of the covenant God covenant with Israel at Sinai.


In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. AFTER COMMANDING SABBATH OBSERVANCE IN VERSES 12–14, Moses gives the the reason Shabbat was given specifically to the nation of Israel:
“Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. THEREFORE [for this reason] he Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
Under Phaoah's rule all their time and energy belonged to Pharaoh. Being slaves they had no "rights" They had to work without any day of rest serving Pharaoh's delusions about being a god-king.

It is not a presumption...
Because God blessed the sabbath
And God sanctified the Sabbath day,
And God rested on that Day.

The sabbath day was a blessing and no other day was blessed.

The Sabbath was set aside as holy
Sanctified for Holy use. By doing this we can be sure there was a purpose.

And God does not need rest but He did to be an example..

It is presumptuous to think this time has no meaning
It is presumptuous to not keep it Holy.
It is presumptuous to not follow the example of God.

The reason why we are to Keep it Holy is because of what God did at creation.

It is presumptuous to think this principle changes with God. Presumptuous to think God has different moral standards that change over time.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Hallowed = H6942 qâdash
kaw-dash'
to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
(Qal) to be set apart, be consecrated
to be hallowed consecrated, tabooed..

TO BE SET APART. TO BE HOLY.

From the START.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

What's the point of living any longer if you're helping no one find rest in the gospel? All vegans end up with is a more fibrous poop.

I agree but helping others find rest in Jesus or find rest in a calendar day would be the question.

We can actually learn a lot from your last statement as in what our body doesn’t want and what it can’t process. Put waste in, get waste out. Fairly simple concept.

 

[Qt]

What pointed things have I said about people?

I am glad you know how my walk with God is going and what I lack.

By our fruits. Here are a few.

I love how @SabbathBlessing gave a like to a study that proves SDA diet beliefs wrong.

ignorant to say

Will it not include milk, cheese, and eggs?

being a smart Aleck

We are called just to love. Maybe you just don’t understand love so you are still clinging on to a stone instruction manual.

insult

Now it makes way more sense to me why you’re so confused.

insult

I thought you were SDA and still do even though you deny it.

implies that they are lying, insult

You also apparently only read enough to hear what you wanted to hear.

ignorant to say.

There are Many more.

Actually we were talking about vegetarianism. Now you want to divert to avoid the fact that you messed up

Once again another insult.
You might of been talking about vegetarianism. I was speaking of SDA and what they teach. It is a package deal. Which is first a relationship with God through Christ. Once one has and sees this, then all aspects of one's lifestyle changes if they let it.


Take care