The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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(1) Who said God "went off " and rested by Himself?" This is just another straw man. How can God even be by Himself when He is omnipresent?
…8 If I ascend to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, You are there. 9If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle by the farthest sea, 10 even there Your hand will guide me; Your right hand will hold me fast.…
(Psalm 139:8-9)
(2) As far as "figuring things out ON THEIR OWN" it seems to me that is what YOU are doing. All, Genesis 2 says is that when God had finished creating on the Seventh Day. He ceased creating. Moses added that, because of this, that day was special to God. However, at that time in history no command was yet given to man to cease working and rest on Shabbat. That command did not come until later
when Moses received the command on Mt Sinai:
Exodus 31:17 states, “It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
Shabbat was a sign between whom? Between God and the nation of Israel
God did create man in His image, that is, man was made to be a sentient, self-determining being (like God).
Still, what exactly did God command Adam to do about this in the context of Genesis 1:26?
Why not? The Bible says that God rejoices in His works:
…30 When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth. 31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever; may the LORD rejoice in His works.
(Psalm 104:30-31)
God was inviting mankind to rejoice with Him in His work of making a world for us to live in. Since Adam he was not yet under a sentence of endless hard labor, earning his food by the sweat of his brow he would not have understood work to be something laborious.
Genesis was not written in Greek but in Hebrew. The word anthropos came from the Greek Septuagint translation.
As usual, your slavish devotion to the SDA teaching blinds you to a much more important truth the scripture is expressing.
…2 For we also received the GOOD NEWS just as they did; but the message they heard was of NO VALUE TO THEM, since they did not share THE FAITH of those who comprehended it.
(Hebrews 4:2)
Good news is a term referring specifically to the Messianic message of salvation prophesied in Isaiah. The promised inheritance Israel had was of entering and conquering the Land. God's promise did them no good because of their unbelief. Likewise OUR inheritance which is eternal life (1 Peter 1:40) will do us no good if we cease believing the gospel of salvation. Hebrews reveals the spiritual meaning of "rest" and identifies who will enter into it.
3 Now we who have BELIEVED enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said: “So I swore on oath in My anger, ‘ They shall never enter My rest.’” And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”
(Hebrews 4:3-4)
Being told by people who confuse the old and new testaments and do a mashup of them, all while ignoring large portions of
the New Testament, cause you know people who actually study ancient languages and understand how to translate them, are just not as good as listening to a false prophet aka Ellen White.
Saying I only listen to Jesus and so should you and just ignore large portions of NT scripture is not going to cut it either.
Do people really and truly believe/think that is OK? When you actually acknowledge what they do and realize the impudence and nerve to tell people who are aware of the totality of scripture and know what actual contextual study and exegesis is, that they are confused, mistaken and otherwise ignorant, you stand back and see deception at work.
Don't chop up scripture and conflate the old and new testaments.
Don't take verses and passages out of context to 'prove' your great understanding which is actually confusion and distortion
Don't ignore the letters from Paul and dismiss him as not having had a direct calling from Jesus to be an Apostle to the the Gentiles which you actually probably are
Don't tell people what day of the week is acceptable to God and if you insist on church attendance on Sunday, you are illustrating the mark of the beast and God will turn you away. Scripture is very plain that is hogwash but these folks just ignore that
Don't think yourself superior to everyone else because only you know the truth. You have abandonned the truth long ago.
Sadly, this post may well be followed by a rant from one or two of the people who should pay attention to the list above, in which they will try to explain away their confusion with copy/pastes of OT scripture while trying to insert a meaning not intended by the original author(s) into NT scripture, in order to make it seem they are the chosen and the special ones. They are special, but not in the way they think.
the New Testament, cause you know people who actually study ancient languages and understand how to translate them, are just not as good as listening to a false prophet aka Ellen White.
Saying I only listen to Jesus and so should you and just ignore large portions of NT scripture is not going to cut it either.
Do people really and truly believe/think that is OK? When you actually acknowledge what they do and realize the impudence and nerve to tell people who are aware of the totality of scripture and know what actual contextual study and exegesis is, that they are confused, mistaken and otherwise ignorant, you stand back and see deception at work.
Don't chop up scripture and conflate the old and new testaments.
Don't take verses and passages out of context to 'prove' your great understanding which is actually confusion and distortion
Don't ignore the letters from Paul and dismiss him as not having had a direct calling from Jesus to be an Apostle to the the Gentiles which you actually probably are
Don't tell people what day of the week is acceptable to God and if you insist on church attendance on Sunday, you are illustrating the mark of the beast and God will turn you away. Scripture is very plain that is hogwash but these folks just ignore that
Don't think yourself superior to everyone else because only you know the truth. You have abandonned the truth long ago.
Sadly, this post may well be followed by a rant from one or two of the people who should pay attention to the list above, in which they will try to explain away their confusion with copy/pastes of OT scripture while trying to insert a meaning not intended by the original author(s) into NT scripture, in order to make it seem they are the chosen and the special ones. They are special, but not in the way they think.
And one more thing I should mention
Just stop with the false claims that if we are not Adventist or Jesus only (sounds good but it isn't),
we believe sinning is not a problem and in fact we sometimes just sin away for the fun of it.
That is a lie that has been repeated many times in this thread and a few other places.
It is not true and if someone just continues saying that it means they are a false accuser and are breaking those 10 commandments they like to flash around like some kind of credentials
Just stop with the false claims that if we are not Adventist or Jesus only (sounds good but it isn't),
we believe sinning is not a problem and in fact we sometimes just sin away for the fun of it.
That is a lie that has been repeated many times in this thread and a few other places.
It is not true and if someone just continues saying that it means they are a false accuser and are breaking those 10 commandments they like to flash around like some kind of credentials
Thats not all that happened on the seventh day, God blessed the seventh day, set it apart sanctified for holy use and named the seventh day the Sabbath Exo20:11 its the only day God named. Sunday came from Pagan roots, the Sabbath came directly from God.
Everything God did for the Sabbath was made for mankind according to Jesus Mark2:27-28 because God set apart the Sabbath from Creation to Bless Isa56:2 and sanctify man Eze20:12 because man cannot do this themselves Isa66:17 we need God. Man has taken another day that never came with the power of God's Blessing or sanctification and man thinks they have the same power as God to do that. Its sadly leading a lot of people down the wrong path Dan7:25
Exodus 31:17 states, “It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
And God related this sign right back to Creation when the Sabbath started before man, before Jew, before Israel- just man and God. You might believe that God did not spend the first Sabbath in commune with our first parents, but that's not what I choose to believe. We are told that God made man in His image so if God rested on the seventh day Sabbath and the Sabbath was made for man, my belief is that our first parents never rebelled against God's Sabbath of Him wanting to spend time with His children on the day He set aside like man do today. You are free to believe as you wish though
Why do you think being made in God's image and likeness is doing something different than God? God rested on the seventh day Sabbath, He made it for mankind, Jesus kept every Sabbath going to church reading the Bible, as did the apostles, it was only after that Scripture man changed God's times and laws and decided to create another image instead of following in the footsteps of God. This was all predicted in Scripture Dan7:25 Acts 20:29
The Ten Commandments is God's works too Exo32:16 because its the righteous way God wants His children to walk Psa119:172 that sadly many have rejected for their own works of righteousness (right doing) instead of depending on God's Isa56:1-2 His is everlasting Psa119:142 the foundation of His Throne Psa89:13
I am not sure if you're following this was Jesus speaking about the Creation event when man and the Sabbath was made. The word He used was in Greek and means mankind, the Hebrew word doesn't help your argeument either because it means Adam.
The gospel message was preached to them the same one to us as there is only one gospel message. Those before did not benefit because it was not mixed with faith and sadly man never entered into their rest/land full of milk and honey because God said they rebelled against His Sabbath Eze22:13 which God related to idol worship Eze22:16 we are told to learn from this experience and not follow in the same example of disobedience Heb4:11 but sadly just like the trial of the wilderness many still have a hardened heart Heb3:7-19 to the law of God in their heart Heb8:10 Rom8:7-8 not trusting what God says over popular traditions of man Mat15:3-14
The gospel is about God's commandments because our salvation in from sin
So once you start keeping the commandments you are saved but you have to keep obeying the commandments in order to STAY SAVED.
Is that what you believe?
You did the very same thing when you applied Hebrews 3:12 to anyone who does not keep Shabbat.
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a wicked heart of unbelief that turns away from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.…
(Hebrews 3:12)
You said before that not practicing Shabbat is the same as having an evil unbelieving heart of unbelief that TURNS AWAY FROM GOD. This leads inevitably to the conclusion that all those who do not keep Shabbat have apostatized from the faith and are headed for damnation. If this is not what you meant, please say so now.
The Ten Commandments was the outline for the entire Covenant.
"This is the Covenant." 1 -2 -3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10, etc.
The Ten Commandments alone needed more definition in order to keep it and obey it.
For example, to keep the Sabbath?
One needed definition and instruction in keeping the Sabbath as to be found in the Torah.
To have no other gods before you?
That required to learn in the Law who and what God really is.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor? -
That required the Law to define what was required for being a true witness acceptable to God.
Etc....
grace and peace ...
My friend, you have switched good for evil and evil for good. I would be careful with that Isa5:20 Eze22:26
This is a thus saith the LORD
Isa 56:1Thus says the LORD: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my righteousness be revealed. 2. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Neh13:17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day?
God Blessed the Sabbath day, made it holy, sanctified it and told us to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Exo20:8-11- this was not a suggestion, it is a commandment of God. Exo20:6 So you are going to claim the opposite of what God said to keep the Sabbath holy is sin and profaning it is good? Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 what He said James2:10-12 not what man says, because we are not God.
This sadly is a doctrine of another spirit, saying the opposite of what God said.
What God deems as evil stays evil, what He deems as righteousness stays righteousness, its not that God was not clear, its our faith to live by every word of God, Mat4:4 and not men. Mark7:7-13
Rev 22:11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”
I believe that our salvation is from sin. Mat1:21 that no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26-3 Our salvation is from sin if we are not transformed by the Holy Spirit and still living in the flesh not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 I believe this is what we have to look forward to. 1 John2:4 Mat7:23 unless we hear His voice Heb3:7-19 repent which means change our mind and direction, allowing God to be God and living by what He told us to Mat4:4
We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved by grace through faith. Faith is what saves us, obedience proves if our faith is genuine or not. Anyone can say LORD LORD- Jesus said He is looking for doers of His Word, not just hearers James 1:22-24 Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-49
This is what someone who is saved looks like
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Exo20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
The very first lie in the garden was we can disobey God and live the opposite of what God said, sadly this same deception keeps working.
Mat 19:17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
There is a reason the Ten Commandments written personally by God placed inside His ark of the Covenant Exo25:21 Exo40:20 is shown at the last trumpet when He returns Rev 11:18-19 because its what man will be Judge by- Ecc 12:13-14 John 12:48 James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 God's version, His Testimony Exo31:18 what the whole Bible is about John 5:39 not mans version who changed what God said He would not Dan7:25 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19
Yes, God wanted Adam and Eve to reflect on God's finished work of creation and to be thankful for the world He had given them.
My point is that God did not COMMAND people to celebrate what God had done by refraining from work until God told them to do so through Moses in Exodus 20:11
This is a myth. The first generation of Christians are the ones who decided to worship on Sunday because that was the day Christ when Christ rose from the dead and appeared to them. The Catholic Church did not even exist at that time in history. To distinquish between their meetings and the Roman Day of the Sun, Christians CHANGED the name of that day to the Day of the Lord. Even the Apostle John himself referred to it that way in the Book of the Revelation:
10 On the Lord’s day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
(Revelation 1:10)
The term Day of the Lord uses the adjective kyriakós (which is derived from 2962 /kýrios, "lord"). Properly, it means pertaining to or belonging to the Lord (kyrios). This same adjective is used to describe the Lord's Supper (also called the Lord's table) This is not a rumor started by the Catholic Church (no matter what Ellen White wrote). Christians began gathering together on Sunday for a good reason - that was the day Jesus rose from the dead.
White's teaching that not keeping Shabbat is "the mark of the beast" is as ludicrous as it is self-serving. By condemning all other Churches to hell she was attempting to write off all who opposed her (false) teaching. The Greek word for mark (of the beast) is
charagma (χάραγμα) which does NOT indicate a symbolic behavior or practice. Literally, it means a scratch, etching, or a stamp ON THE PHYSICAL BODY.
Here you, along with your prophetess Ellen White, consign everyone but the SDA Church to eternal damnation. I see this very clearly where you are coming from now. You talk about "grace" but your message has no grace in it at all.
You will never be able to find one quote that I or EGW ever saying this.
Why do you think grace gives one a license to sin?
God said Remember in Exo20:8 because its not something that just started- God related the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments back to Creation Exo20:11 just as Jesus said the LORD of the Sabbath Exo20:11 the Creator Col 1:16 who plainly said the Sabbath was made for man and the word He used was mankind. Mark2:27-28 we of course can reject what Jesus said He made for us, we are not forced to join ourselves to the LORD all is invited Isa56:6 sadly not everyone responds to His call.
So no Scripture just take your word for it over what God said?
Where does it say day one or Sunday here- God told us plainly not to add to His Words Pro30:5-6 do you not feel God is capable of He telling us when the holy day of the LORD is Isa58:13 that we need to correct Him because He doesn't know?
The day of the Lord has never been connected to the first day not once in Scripture- man added this, something God told us plainly not to.
The mark of the beast of over worship this is what God's Word says plainly. When do people worship God either the Sabbath or Sunday. Only one of those is a commandment of God Exo20:8-11, only one of those came with the power of God's Blessing Exo20:11 Isa56:2 and Sanctification Gen2:3 Eze20:12 the other is a man-made tradition which Jesus ,not EGW said when we lay aside the commandment of God for traditions of man, our heart is far from Him and our worship to Him is in vain Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14
I guess God will sort it all out in His time.
This statement has two elements- one you said "the ones who decided to worship on Sunday" "Christ... who appeared to them"
So does man decide how to obey God or is it up to God. One makes man a servant to God Isa56:6, the other God's corrector. I guess we need to decide which camp we are on.
Lets look at the resurrection of Christ and see who Christ first appeared to and if that changed God's Sabbath commandment.
Mark 16:1
Matthew 27:61–28:1
Luke 24:1
Luke 23: 56
So Mary a faithful follower of Christ who followed Him everywhere even after His death still kept the Sabbath according to the commandment. If Jesus intended for His people to not keep the Sabbath don't you think He would have informed at least one person? Instead the Sabbath is being kept according to the commandment after Jesus ratified His covenant by His death. Just as Jesus promised, not a jot or tittle can pass from His comamndment- heaven and earth would have to pass and its still here. Mary was "those people" who first saw Christ after He rose- did He tell her or one single person that because I rose and went back to work on the first day now profane the Sabbath and keep the first day holy instead? No, sadly this is a doctrine that came outside of the word of God. Isa8:20KJV- people think its just about a day, but its really much deeper than that. Its loyalty to what God said. The Sabbath is about a deep spiritual connection to God- why He blessed and sanctified only the seventh day which He called it the Sabbath of the LORD Exo20:10, My holy day Isa58:13 changing what He said runs a much deeper issue, its placing our trust in another voice, not God's.
Sure, keep ignoring the rest of God's word that says that the Law of Moses does not apply to gentiles.
This is sadly a deception- God never said His commandments were the law of Moses. He took ownership of them in every way. Exo31:18 Exo32:16 Deut4:13 etc etc
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
God has a people who keep them until the very end.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
The issue is not that God was not clear, the issue is not taking Him for His Word and living by what He told us to Mat4:4
No, the issue is cults that twist God's word and try to impose their false doctrines on others. Some of us are awake to you.
I'll say it again, not for you but for some who might fall for your selective interpretation of scripture. "Hear O Israel". Not, "Hear O Gentiles"
The law came through Moses; grace and truth through Jesus Christ. John 1:17.