The "too nice" thing

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emptynestgal said:
It seems to me that the "NICE GUYS" tend to be needy or smothering....which leads me to believe that what Peter 321 (wise for an 18 year old!lol!) said about them being insecure is very true! And I'm so nice that I hate to tell them!!!! :-)
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I guess the problem I have with this whole criticism of "nice guys" is that when yoiu come right down to it they are the product of false societal claims of how men should be. I've thought for a long time there is something wrong with how women give this false facade of what they want in a man while the whole while wanting a man that will see through their bull bleep and ravish them as soon as possible.

When a man says what he wants in a woman, its what he wants in a woman. When a woman says what she wants in a man, she really means pretty much the opposite.
 
persecuted said:
I guess the problem I have with this whole criticism of "nice guys" is that when yoiu come right down to it they are the product of false societal claims of how men should be. I've thought for a long time there is something wrong with how women give this false facade of what they want in a man while the whole while wanting a man that will see through their bull bleep and ravish them as soon as possible.

When a man says what he wants in a woman, its what he wants in a woman. When a woman says what she wants in a man, she really means pretty much the opposite.
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.....LOL.....
 
persecuted said:
I guess the problem I have with this whole criticism of "nice guys" is that when yoiu come right down to it they are the product of false societal claims of how men should be. I've thought for a long time there is something wrong with how women give this false facade of what they want in a man while the whole while wanting a man that will see through their bull bleep and ravish them as soon as possible.

When a man says what he wants in a woman, its what he wants in a woman. When a woman says what she wants in a man, she really means pretty much the opposite.
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Because hearing that about us women never gets old.

Look, there are women and men who both play games. That is universal.

And then there are a few women *I am this type* who doesn't have time, energy or mind space to place games anymore. I will tell you what I want, need and expect. And I expect the person I am with to do the same. Being a "nice" guy doesn't come into play in this AT ALL. You can still have manners when telling me "I don't feel like sushi tonight". But if you eat sushi every night because you are afraid to speak up? Ick.

Being a gentleman and standing up for yourself is not exclusive. It is not one or the other. When guys figure that out, they win.
 
allforfun said:
Because hearing that about us women never gets old.

Look, there are women and men who both play games. That is universal.

And then there are a few women *I am this type* who doesn't have time, energy or mind space to place games anymore. I will tell you what I want, need and expect. And I expect the person I am with to do the same. Being a "nice" guy doesn't come into play in this AT ALL. You can still have manners when telling me "I don't feel like sushi tonight". But if you eat sushi every night because you are afraid to speak up? Ick.

Being a gentleman and standing up for yourself is not exclusive. It is not one or the other. When guys figure that out, they win.
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Well that's all fine and dandy, but as an aggregate women do fit what I describe. Then you hear all of these lame female "truisms" like that women hate it when men sneak looks down their shirts... yeah, right, 90% of women are quite pleased to get that affirmation of their physical prowess, yet the story telling continues.
 
persecuted said:
Well that's all fine and dandy, but as an aggregate women do fit what I describe. Then you hear all of these lame female "truisms" like that women hate it when men sneak looks down their shirts... yeah, right, 90% of women are quite pleased to get that affirmation of their physical prowess, yet the story telling continues.
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Wow. Just wow. Way to lump all females into one large toilet and flush them together.

I am separate in every way possible from what you described. I would explain further, but I see your mind is closed to learning about it.
 
allforfun said:
Wow. Just wow. Way to lump all females into one large toilet and flush them together.

I am separate in every way possible from what you described. I would explain further, but I see your mind is closed to learning about it.
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lol... I'm sorry but reading this just makes me laugh. You claim you are SOOOO different and yet this response of yours is SOOOOO standard female I suddenly feel like I'm sitting in a pink room filled with pink furniture... and "Sex in the City" is on the tv.

Question: So are you saying that unlike 90% of women, you hate it when some man sneaks a quck look down your shirt, or are you saying that unlike the 90% if some guy you liked was caught looking you'd be honest and not feign outrage at his "indiscretion"?
 
Liamson said:
I agree.

The dumb and ironic thing is that some of us can have all of the confidence in the world, except when needed for that one girl who takes our breath away. Then we stare at the floor and stutter, as we make weird faces and appear entirely too awkward for their comfort.
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You do know that we notice those moments and think they're adorable, right?
 
persecuted said:
lol... I'm sorry but reading this just makes me laugh. You claim you are SOOOO different and yet this response of yours is SOOOOO standard female I suddenly feel like I'm sitting in a pink room filled with pink furniture... and "Sex in the City" is on the tv.

Question: So are you saying that unlike 90% of women, you hate it when some man sneaks a quck look down your shirt, or are you saying that unlike the 90% if some guy you liked was caught looking you'd be honest and not feign outrage at his "indiscretion"?
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Again, I would answer you honestly, but you already shut down the lines of communication with by mocking me and laughing at me.

And then rubbed salt into by claiming I'm on a set of Sex in the City.

If you want to have an adult conversation, alert me. Otherwise, I'm done with you. I do not have time to be mocked Especially by a Christian man.
 
allforfun said:
Again, I would answer you honestly, but you already shut down the lines of communication with by mocking me and laughing at me.

And then rubbed salt into by claiming I'm on a set of Sex in the City.

If you want to have an adult conversation, alert me. Otherwise, I'm done with you. I do not have time to be mocked Especially by a Christian man.
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What is really super sad about your little termper tantrum and refusal to answer some simple questions is when you stop and think about the subject of the conversation. You claim you hate men that suck up to you, but now when there is one on the internet NOT doing such you are having fits of rage. Question: do my posts make me a "bad boy" or a "nice guy"???? But, of course, you're not going to answer, you're gonna stomp off while making claims I'M the immature one. Like I said, your pattern is so typical female I'm astounded you'd try to condemn the rest of your gender for alleged toilet infractions that I really don't even get what you're talking about.
 
persecuted said:
What is really super sad about your little termper tantrum and refusal to answer some simple questions is when you stop and think about the subject of the conversation. You claim you hate men that suck up to you, but now when there is one on the internet NOT doing such you are having fits of rage. Question: do my posts make me a "bad boy" or a "nice guy"???? But, of course, you're not going to answer, you're gonna stomp off while making claims I'M the immature one. Like I said, your pattern is so typical female I'm astounded you'd try to condemn the rest of your gender for alleged toilet infractions that I really don't even get what you're talking about.
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Ok. I fully expect this to go over your head, because you have clearly proven in my eyes at least you aren't capable of seeing women past generalities, but here goes.

No, I don't like "men" leering at any part of my body, whether they like me or not. I am in a field prominently dominated by men. Women hate that I have been promoted because they assume I slept my way to the top. Men hate me because they find out I haven't. I have a curvy body, that even in a business suit, is noticeable. I also have worked hard to get where I am at. But my mind doesn't matter when I lean over the table to get a pen, because my breasts are there.

I am sure you read this and in your mind said "typical woman". Maybe another person will grow from it. Maybe you will, I don't know. But I am not throwing you under the bus of "men are too stupid to think". You have not given me that benefit.

Consider yourself on ignore, that is why that button is created and now I will enact it. I expected more from a man who considers himself a Christian, but I am once again disappointed. It nether makes you a bad boy or nice guy. It makes you closed minded.
 
Jullianna said:
I have a Colts jersey:D
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shh.... Persecuted and allforfun are making interesting posts. I'm making popcorn.

I'm not going to say I agree with either of them but there is something to be said about the separation that exists between a person's cognitive selection mechanism and their involuntary subconscious attraction.

We know that men are designed to be leaders. Men are designed to be strong. Men designed to be men.
Women are designed to be women. Women are designed to be attracted to men. Women are designed to be beautiful. This is the way it is in spite of all of our rules, ambitions and stipulations.
 
Liamson said:
shh.... Persecuted and allforfun are making interesting posts. I'm making popcorn.

I'm not going to say I agree with either of them but there is something to be said about the separation that exists between a person's cognitive selection mechanism and their involuntary subconscious attraction.

We know that men are designed to be leaders. Men are designed to be strong. Men designed to be men.
Women are designed to be women. Women are designed to be attracted to men. Women are designed to be beautiful. This is the way it is in spite of all of our rules, ambitions and stipulations.
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Oops...sorry :) *moves out from in front of the screen, sits down by Liamson, grabs a handful of popcorn and waits to see what's next*
 
Well, being that I live in Ohio, I can't boast about our teams :_( Cinnci isn't too bad, but the browns......they speak for themself. Oh yeah, and I would say that Peyton definately made that team what it is.
 
Jullianna said:
Oops...sorry :) *moves out from in front of the screen, sits down by Liamson, grabs a handful of popcorn and waits to see what's next*
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Ummm, I think you both missed a key point in the plot......Allforfun said that she is putting persecuted on ignore. Sorry to give away the ending, I'll take some of that popcorn though. :D
 
See_KING_Truth said:
Well, being that I live in Ohio, I can't boast about our teams :_( Cinnci isn't too bad, but the browns......they speak for themself. Oh yeah, and I would say that Peyton definately made that team what it is.
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YOU HAVE THE REDS! :D
 
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