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How can you always come to such absurd and wrong conclusions? No, he is not saying this.
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Dagallen
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But that was supposed to be the initial design
We were created in God's image)
And the first Adam was supposed to bring forth sons in his likeness...but never could because none of us are exactly the same
But being Created in GODS IMAGE went deeper than the flesh
it wasn't about flesh but about representing God's holiness
Was Adam in the likeness of his own father?
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Dagallen
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So in the spiritual world, the Father is God and the Son is God and that's why the Son said the Father and i are one ? Is that what you are saying ?
Yet, all men born into the world are sons
and everyone who sees men in the world know that where there is a son there is also a father
its just that of this SON, not all believed when He testifies of HIS FATHER
God is Spirit
Christ came to "show us THE FATHER"
he who sees The Son (who is the visible image of the invisible GOD made manifest) has seen THE FATHER
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Dagallen
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If they are two different persons ? If they are different as you claim, then they are not one ?
In the spiritual world, I'm sure that we will not see a lamb before the throne looking slain but lives as depicted in revelation 5
ywt did now, Christ must reign because no man can come to the Father except through The Son
Yes, in one God there are three persons. Thats what "Trinity" means.
How is that possible is not for us to solve, because we do not know how it "works" in higher dimensions, in the light where God abides. In our world, one person = one being, in higher worlds not so.
In 2D, one square = one object.
In 3D, not so, 6 squares can be one object
We must still have in mind that we are very low and God is very high.
Lets try geometry. One cube has 6 sides, 6 squares.
So... do you have problem with this too? Or do you accept it? God and 3 persons are very similar issue.
Finally dagallen you said something that is correct but then you messed it all up, what do I mean? This statement of yours is absolutely true, "My son came from me, we are of the same nature but my son is not me." Then you said this which is true, " The Son of God came from God, they are of the same nature" Absolutely true!
Now here is where you messed up with the following six words, "but my son is not me." That's exactly right, you son is not you BECAUSE YOU ARE A DISTINCT PERSON FROM YOUR SON." This is what some of us have been trying to explain to you when we say that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are "DISTINCT" persons from each other. What makes them the one God is their nature.
What makes you distinct from all other humans including your son is your personhood, and what you have in common with all humans is your nature. There is only one nature of humans and it is your nature that separates us from all that is not human. It is God's nature that separates Him from all that is not God.
Look at it this way? You keep saying God the Father is the only true God and that's fine but (and think about this real hard). If "the Father" alone is God, there would be no need TO DISTINGUISH HIM as "the Father" and we would ONLY see the same continued metaphorical applications OF THAT TERM." But you don't because the Bible is clear that there are three persons all identified as "God."
In other words, the persons of the Trinity are constantly so distinguished in the New Testament so why bother making a distinction if there is no distinction to be made? In short, If the Father alone is "God" than the New Testament is a lie because it explicitly refers to Christ and to the Holy Spirit as "God" as well. How are they the same, by their nature or essence yet distinct by their personhood.
IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen
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. The spirit has no form but the spirit takes on form but yet the spirit is not flesh nor is the flesh spirit, as the spirit is like the wind, it comes and it goes.
Spirit does not "come and go".
Jesus said only that:
"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
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FeedtheMachine
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"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:12-17)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - (Genesis 1:1)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - (Genesis 1:1)
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jaybird88
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two statements that say different things dont contradict. the source of the creating power is the Father. created through and for the Son.