The True Signs of the End of the Age

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MadebyHim said:
These signs are seen daily literally, nature is freaking out, Bering Sea warming up getting rougher, and they still argue global warming. Many things going on literally as well as spiritually.
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​You are out of touch, it's not global warming anymore, the new buzz words are "climate change" which if you translate that, it mean weather and seasons, but don't tell them that, because it's been happening since the beginning of time. It's just another way for the government to tax us, because no one else in the world is to stupid to put their money on such stupidity.

Buy a Framers Almanac and you'll see all of this weather in them if you can get some older issues.
 
Dave713 said:
Idk what your point is here.
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If ALL that written was to be fulfilled in the desolation of Jerusalem what is left to be fulfilled?

Peter states the same thing that what was written was being fulfilled in his days:

Joel:

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

That includes all he said from Joel including Acts 2:20 which is precisely the prophecy that Jesus used.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Peter said he was living the "the last days", not last centuries, which all the prophets had spoken of.

The last days then became the last hour in the 1st century AD as John wrote his epistle:

1 Jo 2:18 Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many -- whence we know that it is the last hour;
 
Locutus said:
If ALL that written was to be fulfilled in the desolation of Jerusalem what is left to be fulfilled?

Peter states the same thing that what was written was being fulfilled in his days:

Joel:

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

That includes all he said from Joel including Acts 2:20 which is precisely the prophecy that Jesus used.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Peter said he was living the "the last days", not last centuries, which all the prophets had spoken of.

The last days then became the last hour in the 1st century AD as John wrote his epistle:

1 Jo 2:18 Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many -- whence we know that it is the last hour;
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It was the last hour because the return of Christ was imminent to the apostles and the first century church as well, just as it is for believers today. As far as Peter quoting Joel, he should have stopped when he got to the part where it says " The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" and that because those events have not yet taken place.

Unless you understand that the last seven years of the decree upon Israel and Jerusalem as being a future event, you will be in error regarding your conclusions regarding end-time events. Jesus answered the question regarding the temple before it was asked. His focus was on the signs that would proceed His return to the earth to end the age.

The destruction of the temple in 70 AD has nothing to do with the coming seals, trumpet and bowl judgments, which is how God is going to pour out his wrath in fulfillment of the day of the Lord.
 
"As far as Peter quoting Joel, he should have stopped when he got to the part where it says "

There's yer problem right there - you are taking words out of Peter's inspired statements - he's just been filled with the holy spirit yet he's wrong according to you.

I'll take Peters inspired words over the word of futurists seeing as you've all been wrong since 70 AD.
 
If we examine Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 together(as they should be taken), and we look at what happened in 70ad, it becomes obvious that Jesus described TWO things in the same discourse. The first was the destruction of Israel that happened around 70ad and the second is the end of the age, and that has not happened yet. Also, some of the things overlap somewhat, so there may be certain things that happen at the end of the age that are similar to those things that happened in 70ad. Here is one difference, when Jesus told the disciples to flee Israel when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies(called the abomination of desolation in Matt and Mark) this was definitely for 70ad. In another place, Jesus told the disciples not to flee or try to save their life, that was definitely the end of the age when Christ returns and the angels gather the believers.
 
Locutus said:
If ALL that written was to be fulfilled in the desolation of Jerusalem what is left to be fulfilled?

Peter states the same thing that what was written was being fulfilled in his days:

Joel:

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

That includes all he said from Joel including Acts 2:20 which is precisely the prophecy that Jesus used.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Peter said he was living the "the last days", not last centuries, which all the prophets had spoken of.

The last days then became the last hour in the 1st century AD as John wrote his epistle:

1 Jo 2:18 Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many -- whence we know that it is the last hour;
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Your missing the fact that Revelation was also recorded. It was recorded by Apostle John about 2000 years ago and it is the vision of the events of Revelation.

And yes it (referring to the sun, moon and stars going dark) did happen before, not physically, but spiritually. Please read Gn 37:9-10.
 
samuel23 said:
If we examine Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 together(as they should be taken), and we look at what happened in 70ad, it becomes obvious that Jesus described TWO things in the same discourse. The first was the destruction of Israel that happened around 70ad and the second is the end of the age, and that has not happened yet. Also, some of the things overlap somewhat, so there may be certain things that happen at the end of the age that are similar to those things that happened in 70ad. Here is one difference, when Jesus told the disciples to flee Israel when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies(called the abomination of desolation in Matt and Mark) this was definitely for 70ad. In another place, Jesus told the disciples not to flee or try to save their life, that was definitely the end of the age when Christ returns and the angels gather the believers.
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Sorry, but I don't see the point you are making. I want to make sure I understand your point before I rebut. Are you saying that Revelation was fulfilled in 70AD because Israel was physically destroyed?
 
I'm not missing any facts - the fact is revelation is an expansion of Jesus' prophecy regarding the destruction of 1st century apostate Israel aka the whore of the book of revelation as "her" judgement was shortly to come to pass:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The MOST important fact is the identity of the whore - miss this fact and you will totally misunderstand the book of revelation.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The problem is we need to just be open to the fact we may be wrong. And not so set dead we are right no matter what, That is the issue which causes division and hate.

I think any prophesy must be fulfilled literally. Not spiritually, Prophesy is given to prove God is the one God, for only god can see future events before they happen. And predict them accurately. Spiritualisation, or making a sym,boric interpretation to me destroys this very purpose. Because I can make prophesy mean anything I really want, Just make an allegory or take a spiritualized interpretation. No one can prove me wrong.

But at this, I do would not say I am right in all my interpretations.. nor would I judge anyone's who disagrees.

And what I hate is people coming in showing a passage and says there you go, your wrong.. When as above, people did not take the whole passage..

Thats why I hate discussing this,, in this context. Because of all the know it alls. .
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That would make sense if the prophecies concerning Jesus were fulfilled literally. For example Isa 9:1-2 a great light -> Mt 4:12-16, Isa 7:14 Emanuel -> Mt 1:18-25 named Jesus... There are a ton more, but unless you don't believe in Jesus the thought that everything has to be fulfilled literally is not biblical (based on the bible).

Jesus spoke spiritually you can see if you read Jn 6:51-53 did Jesus literally want them to eat his flesh and drink his blood?

It's not about your wrong and I'm right or vice versa, but it's about what the scripture says is true. We should have the mindset to find the truth based off of the scriptures and not what 'we' want/hope.

At the 1st coming the Israelites had their own thoughts of their savior and how he was going to come, they 'knew' the scriptures, but they did not understand them. Thus, they labeled a cult and crucified their savior, Jesus Christ.

Let's actually learn from the past and seek to understand rather than argue and hold on to our own points of view. Because in God's perspective his word is right and everything else is evil, not from him.
 
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Locutus said:
I'm not missing any facts - the fact is revelation is an expansion of Jesus' prophecy regarding the destruction of 1st century apostate Israel aka the whore of the book of revelation as "her" judgement was shortly to come to pass:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The MOST important fact is the identity of the whore - miss this fact and you will totally misunderstand the book of revelation.
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Before I rebut, are you claiming you understand Revelation?
 
Locutus said:
Yes, I'm claiming MR. Rebut.
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Lol. So please explain the 3 mysteries mentioned in Revelation. Who and what are they? Why are they mysteries? (Keep Isa 8:20 in mind) Should be easy since you claim you understand Revelation. :)
 
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass
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2000 years is just 2 days to the Lord... so that's shortly :cool:
 
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That would make sense if the prophecies concerning Jesus were fulfilled literally.
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Hello Dave713,

All of the prophesies for Christ's first appearing were all fulfilled literally, everyone one of them. And the prophesies regarding His return to the earth to end the age will also be fulfilled literally. Why would they not be?

Jesus spoke spiritually you can see if you read Jn 6:51-53 did Jesus literally want them to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
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The correct way to read Revelation is that "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, the verse above does not make good literal sense and therefore must be interpreted symbolically. Regarding this, the on-going problem is people symbolizing scripture that is meant to be interpreted in the literal sense. By the way, if you were asking the Roman Catholic institution the same question, it would be a resounding "Yes" that they are literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ and that through Transubstantiation.
 
Ahwatukee said:


Hello Dave713,

All of the prophesies for Christ's first appearing were all fulfilled literally, everyone one of them. And the prophesies regarding His return to the earth to end the age will also be fulfilled literally. Why would they not be?



The correct way to read Revelation is that "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, the verse above does not make good literal sense and therefore must be interpreted symbolically. Regarding this, the on-going problem is people symbolizing scripture that is meant to be interpreted in the literal sense. By the way, if you were asking the Roman Catholic institution the same question, it would be a resounding "Yes" that they are literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ and that through Transubstantiation.
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Dude did you ignore the following on purpose???

Isa 9:1-2 a great light -> Mt 4:12-16, Isa 7:14 Emanuel -> Mt 1:18-25 named Jesus... There are a ton more, but unless you don't believe in Jesus the thought that everything has to be fulfilled literally is not biblical (based on the bible).
 
There are both Spiritual and Physical meanings behind many things mentioned in the Bible. It is a matter of knowing which meaning should be given to each instance of something mentioned in a passage. It is often obvious whether something is meant to be taken spiritually or not. Using common sense can be very helpful in many cases.
 
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